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joebunda90 12 Reviews 2034 reads
posted
1 / 27

Some serious questions for the hobbyist here.

I am in a relationship that has morphed into a real FWB situation.  Yes we are both aware that it is not a lifelong thing, but we are open and honest with each other and plan to enjoy whatever time we have together.  

My problem is this: we are sending many texts to each other every day.  When I was just hobbying, a few extra texts a month to set up dates was not noticeable, but several thousand texts a month needs to be controlled.  I need a non-SMS messenger that will provide DISCREET notification of a new message without displaying said message.

I am currently using NQ Vault to secure the content on my phone, but since that app still uses SMS the number shows up on my phone bill.  I do not get a paper bill, but the evidence is not terribly difficult to dig up.  I have looked at using Google Voice for texts, but if you set notifications on you get the content of the text in the notification bar on your phone (even with GV set behind Vault).

I would rather not get another phone, but unless the folks here that are smarter than I am can offer a technology solution I may have to do that (and deal with the new issue of hiding a second phone).

Thanks
JB

captain7 637 reads
posted
2 / 27

If you are sending & receiving thousands of text per month, you probably don't need the notice feature for google. Just check text messages when you have a spare moment, or better yet, check with your wife in your spare moments! lol

JosephineBelle See my TER Reviews 521 reads
posted
3 / 27

I do it on weekends or when I just don't feel like working. Go into the settings, and just turn off push notifications, as well as go into Do Not Disturb so you have to go into the app to check them.

Posted By: joebunda90
Some serious questions for the hobbyist here.  
   
 I am in a relationship that has morphed into a real FWB situation.  Yes we are both aware that it is not a lifelong thing, but we are open and honest with each other and plan to enjoy whatever time we have together.    
   
 My problem is this: we are sending many texts to each other every day.  When I was just hobbying, a few extra texts a month to set up dates was not noticeable, but several thousand texts a month needs to be controlled.  I need a non-SMS messenger that will provide DISCREET notification of a new message without displaying said message.  
   
 I am currently using NQ Vault to secure the content on my phone, but since that app still uses SMS the number shows up on my phone bill.  I do not get a paper bill, but the evidence is not terribly difficult to dig up.  I have looked at using Google Voice for texts, but if you set notifications on you get the content of the text in the notification bar on your phone (even with GV set behind Vault).  
   
 I would rather not get another phone, but unless the folks here that are smarter than I am can offer a technology solution I may have to do that (and deal with the new issue of hiding a second phone).  
   
 Thanks  
 JB

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 690 reads
posted
4 / 27

Just get TWO phones. Done deal. ONLY give your hobby/burner number to providers so the FWB chick will never see them. Keep the phone at your office, in a locker at the gym, etc. It's not rocket science. You should not ever be using your main phone (the one in your REAL name) for illegal pursuits in any case, Forget about the woman... there are far worse things to worry about.  

Another option is to sign up for google voice but do NOT download/connect the app for your cell phone. You log into an actual email account on your PC and that is how you check and send messages. When you log out, nothing to worry about.

-- Modified on 12/16/2013 4:59:27 PM

no_email 3 Reviews 477 reads
posted
5 / 27

I think that would be the easiest thing to do.

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 459 reads
posted
6 / 27

Call the day of for the hotel/incall and get to know each other, and a text for the exact location. That's a rap.

anonymousfun 6 Reviews 406 reads
posted
7 / 27

You can disable displaying text when phone is asleep on iPhone  
I am sure you do the same in android also.  

I have disabled displaying texts on my iPhone.  
Posted By: joebunda90
Some serious questions for the hobbyist here.  
   
 I am in a relationship that has morphed into a real FWB situation.  Yes we are both aware that it is not a lifelong thing, but we are open and honest with each other and plan to enjoy whatever time we have together.    
   
 My problem is this: we are sending many texts to each other every day.  When I was just hobbying, a few extra texts a month to set up dates was not noticeable, but several thousand texts a month needs to be controlled.  I need a non-SMS messenger that will provide DISCREET notification of a new message without displaying said message.  
   
 I am currently using NQ Vault to secure the content on my phone, but since that app still uses SMS the number shows up on my phone bill.  I do not get a paper bill, but the evidence is not terribly difficult to dig up.  I have looked at using Google Voice for texts, but if you set notifications on you get the content of the text in the notification bar on your phone (even with GV set behind Vault).  
   
 I would rather not get another phone, but unless the folks here that are smarter than I am can offer a technology solution I may have to do that (and deal with the new issue of hiding a second phone).  
   
 Thanks  
 JB

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 566 reads
posted
8 / 27

At least that's the way I read his post. As to your other reply below, it's the FWB he's getting thousands of texts from, not providers.

London Rayne See my TER Reviews 560 reads
posted
9 / 27

Well, my advice is still the same be it hooker or FWB he is hiding. Get another phone for just that purpose, or get google voice. His wife can easily get a copy of his phone bill. Sure, it's against the law and all, but try blowing the cell phone carrier and see what info. he comes up with.  

Posted By: perfectstorm
At least that's the way I read his post. As to your other reply below, it's the FWB he's getting thousands of texts from, not providers.

no_email 3 Reviews 501 reads
posted
10 / 27
no_email 3 Reviews 416 reads
posted
11 / 27

Not having any unnecessary communications with the other party. Other than scheduling a rendezvous.

OSP 26 Reviews 428 reads
posted
13 / 27

Fickle White Bitch

harborview 10 Reviews 446 reads
posted
14 / 27

If you are getting bucket loads of texts...  this is no longer a FWB.  This is an affair with feelings & emotions.  This is a line we stay away from by hobbying.  This is far more dangerous.  Far more likely to be discovered.  Ask Tiger!!  
I don't know how to help you as I'm just using a dumb hobby phone.  I'm also reading that you have a SO & this FWB.  You've got to get this under control & quickly.

1820590 37 Reviews 553 reads
posted
15 / 27

Let me say you are heading down a very slippery slope and you need to be extremely careful.  London is right, the same basic principals of the hobby apply.  First, my advice is to walk away from the FWB, which sounds much more like a serious affair and return to seeing providers.  Didn't you see fatal attraction??? I am pretty sure none of the lovely ladies I have seen in the hobby were ever going to boil a bunny let alone contact wifey.  When emotions get involved, and things don't work out, things can really blow up in your face.  If you still insist on going down this path I recommend:

1) get a separate phone that never goes home or even left in your car; or

2) download one of the many texting/VoIP apps.  These work through the internet and use your data plan and will not show up on your phone bill other than data usage.  I use pinger.  Use the app for texting and calling.  Never use your actual phone.  If wifey gets suspicious, the first place she may look is your phone and then the phone bill.  If you are texting the same number a dozen times a day, you will have a lot of explaining to do.

3) Bury the app in a separate window among a bunch of other apps so it's not easy to find.

4) Turn off all notifications for that app.

5) Everyday, delete EVERY text and phone call.  NEVER leave any text or call history.

 
Any tech gurus on here, I would appreciate any issues you see with what I have suggested.  

Again, having been to the rodeo, let me warn you that this often ends with someone getting thrown off and hurt badly.  My FWB was also married and it grew to something more serious quickly.  When she got further ahead then me, it got to be quite challenging.  Next, her hubby got suspicious.  Do you think my FWB followed my advice on our communications??? Nope!  He got suspicious, he got her phone and downloaded months of our texts.  I haven't heard from her since and I pray to God I don't end up getting subpoenaed.

 
Be careful!
 - Spartan
Posted By: joebunda90
Some serious questions for the hobbyist here.  
   
 I am in a relationship that has morphed into a real FWB situation.  Yes we are both aware that it is not a lifelong thing, but we are open and honest with each other and plan to enjoy whatever time we have together.    
   
 My problem is this: we are sending many texts to each other every day.  When I was just hobbying, a few extra texts a month to set up dates was not noticeable, but several thousand texts a month needs to be controlled.  I need a non-SMS messenger that will provide DISCREET notification of a new message without displaying said message.  
   
 I am currently using NQ Vault to secure the content on my phone, but since that app still uses SMS the number shows up on my phone bill.  I do not get a paper bill, but the evidence is not terribly difficult to dig up.  I have looked at using Google Voice for texts, but if you set notifications on you get the content of the text in the notification bar on your phone (even with GV set behind Vault).  
   
 I would rather not get another phone, but unless the folks here that are smarter than I am can offer a technology solution I may have to do that (and deal with the new issue of hiding a second phone).  
   
 Thanks  
 JB

Stimulate_This 6 Reviews 402 reads
posted
16 / 27

sounds like the friends thing is out of hand, not the benefits. she really wants to be friends, even more than a wife

no_email 3 Reviews 430 reads
posted
17 / 27

in this case F could stand for Feckless.

IMO Joe or his gal pal, is looking to sabotage the already established relationship.

harborview 10 Reviews 591 reads
posted
18 / 27

If she is constantly texting as it appears she is...  she's not with the 'something on the side' program.  It seems that this 'FWB' is indiscreet.  If you get caught, you go through the wringer...  but there are those who are not above breaking up a marriage.  If you don't mind getting divorced, then do so first on your own terms, not later...  when you are caught...  and the wife has all the ammo.

I was young & single when I accidentally got involved with a married woman.  It was very dangerous & we carried it on for quite a time.  Of course, it was an open secret & the husband knew but could not catch us, though he was no push over.  We continued as a bootie call for several years...  tried several times to break it off & finally made it stick.  
The sex was hot & heavy but It was an unmitigated disaster, not the least of which included keeping me from dating others in the time when I should have been finding someone who was available.
And this was in the pre-cell phone era.

inicky46 61 Reviews 529 reads
posted
19 / 27

You don't have enough feck.

no_email 3 Reviews 462 reads
posted
20 / 27
MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 477 reads
posted
21 / 27

He said "We" several times so it seems like THEIR texting is realty a lot. No where does he say he wants it to change, he's asking how to hide it.

Steph

no_email 3 Reviews 336 reads
posted
22 / 27

All they have to do is stop the excessive texting.

...if their electronic communications are the highlight of their relationship, what's the point?

ceotraveling 30 Reviews 464 reads
posted
23 / 27
GaGambler 402 reads
posted
24 / 27

We also slept together about six nights out of the week. So the two are not mutually exclusive.

I also text about a half dozen different hookers in Costa Rica on a pretty regular basis, of course the difference with me is that I have no reason to need to hide it.

SirWilliam00 16 Reviews 441 reads
posted
25 / 27

Posted By: joebunda90

 I would rather not get another phone, but unless the folks here that are smarter than I am can offer a technology solution I may have to do that (and deal with the new issue of hiding a second phone).  
 
For a simple technical separation while still using the same smartphone, you can install the Burner app.  That lets you buy a temporary number through the app (how long you want to keep it is up to you) but for you the advantage is that incoming notifications from the app that it has new messages can be disabled, so you would just see the messages when you check the app.  You can make calls through the app also.

For more hobbying related use it's still a better idea to have a totally separate phone that you buy with cash, so that the number cannot be traced back to you. Potentially LE could get info from the Burner servers about who the calls/texts really come from in the event someone you saw was arrested and her phone records searched

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 426 reads
posted
26 / 27

I pointed out that he considered it a "we" thing and people were responding like SHE was doing something he didn't like.

I way some people text message each other today is CRAZY to me, but that wasn't what he was asking about.

Steph

joebunda90 12 Reviews 643 reads
posted
27 / 27

both positive and scathing :)

MatureGFE, you seem to understand my situation the best...thank you!

To many others...yes, we have knowingly entered something much more like an affair than a provider/client relationship.  We are fully aware of the dangers (but also the joys!) of exploring an emotional connection.  We are both married and working hard to remain discreet.  We do not plan to "run off with each other"...the phrase we have used is "I want to spend time with you, but I don't want to spend the rest of my life with you."

For the edification of others I offer some findings from my own research.  There are a few VoIP services that use WiFi and/or data instead of SMS.  This will only show up as data usage and is not (easily) tracked to what device it was sent to.  The list below includes foreign services, and each service has advantages and disadvantages.  YMMV

WhatsApp
Jaxtr
KakaoTalk
Viber
LINE
Kik
Talkaton

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