That's on top of the nearly $800 million Dominion got from Fox for its election lies.
So how many of you righties still think the 2020 election was "stolen?"

Dominion had no part in it.  I believe their machines accurately counted the ballots, but there is no evidence that every ballot that was counted was cast by a person whose ID was verified, so that is what keeps the question of stolen/not-stolen alive.  

First Fox News, now Newsmax paying Dominion Voting Systems for lying about Dominion rigging the 2020 election.

Yet Convicted Felon rapist and pedo Donald Trump will still say it was rigged. Funny how the 2024 election was honest and fair.  You betcha!

All this proves is that Dominions machines counted correctly.   That is it.

 
Now the issues of ballot stuffing, ballot harvesting, destroyed ballots, etc.   Could still be in question for many.   There are more and more stories of things coming out and whistle blowers.

 
My honest take on this.   Trump lost.   Do I think mail in ballots and things like that lead to fraud happening.... YES.   What happened in 2020 with the "mail in" ballots was something we as a nation never had seen before.  All because of Covid.  Did people do some shady things.... YEP.   It has already been proven.   On a grand scale no.  But some small stuff people got caught back in 2020 and 2021.  It was republicans and democrats.    But does that show we need to do things to bring integrity back to our elections.... YES.

Bullshit.  I'm sure the majority of MAGA cultists believe the election was stolen. The rest of us know it wasn't, and the only person trying to steal it was trump. How many times do we have to go over this debunked conspiracy theory? Stop gaslighting and trolling us, Willy.

for continually trolling and spamming us with insane conspiracy theories brewed up by your Ivermectin-polluted excuse for a brain. I can't imagine what your family thinks when you spew this stuff over dinner.

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You will waste your time reading years-old posts of mine to find something I said that turned out to be wrong.
I will waste NONE of my time finding the MANY things you've gotten wrong. And believe me, there are plenty. I just have better things to focus on.  It's sad you don't.

If some people will believe anything ...  
http://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-trump-claims-82-believe-rigged-election-1875537
Fact Check: Trump Claims 82% of People Believe in 'Rigged Election' [Mar 2024]
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"... "A poll came out, 82 percent, but they go after the people, they don't go after the people that rigged the election, they go after the people that looking, they're looking for the people that rigged the election. ..."

 
... they'll believe anything.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Disputing President Donald Trump’s persistent, baseless claims, Attorney General William Barr declared Tuesday the U.S. Justice Department has uncovered no evidence of widespread voter fraud that could change the outcome of the 2020 election.
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Barr’s comments, in an interview with the The Associated Press, contradict the concerted effort by Trump, his boss, to subvert the results of last month’s voting and block President-elect Joe Biden from taking his place in the White House.
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Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”
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http://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

First of all, what it DOES prove is these stolen DLs could not have been used for anything because they were confiscated. It does NOT prove any election fraud. Also, DLs are NOT required to obtain voter registration. Thus another Wanker nothing burger.

The issues is that Barr and others have found FRAUD.... but nothing "wide scale".   It was proven back in 2020 and 2021.

 
They showed small little things.   Nothing that would have "changed" the election results.   But IMHO it is enough to show we need to bring integrity back into our elections.

 
I myself saw it personally many people who came out to vote that I never saw before.   Also that I never knew lived in my town/community.  I now live in a small community.  Where you pretty much see and know much of the community and if you don't others do.  Especially when my "circle" is involved with community activities, volunteering, etc.   We all noticed many people we didn't recognize.  (I have helped with voting for 16 years).  I helped register many new voters.  MANY didn't know how to register and ONLY wanted to vote for president. Which I am happy people want to get into voting it is their right..... but only wanting to vote for president is "fishy" if you ask me.  But we helped them and processed them thru.    BTW.... still haven't seen many of them since that vote.   Doesn't mean they don't live here.... but is just fishy to me, Just saying.    

 
Being apart of the process is also why I know that "non citizens" are allowed to vote in local elections.  What I mean by "non citizens" are people with green cards, visa's, etc.   It is legal for them to do so.   But guess what.... we are not allowed to ask for citizenship when handing ballots and our community doesn't have separate ballots for local elections and federal elections.  They are all on the same ballot.   How many "non citizens" voted.... I don't know.   I couldn't tell you if zero or 1000 went thru our doors.   Before people go off on this.   "Non citizens" have a right to vote for school board members, city council members, city ordinances, etc.  In the communities they live and work in.  If they are here legally.  They SHOULD have a say.   I believe in that.  

 
But that is why I think our system needs to change.

1.  It is why I think we need ID to vote. (non citizens can still vote in local and let them know this)  
2.  Need separate ballots for Federal, State, and Local elections (some places might already have that).  
3.  We also need to have election day a federal holiday.  

 
None of those things "infringes" on anyone's rights.   States hand out free ID's.  It is easy to get ID and there are community resources that will help people get IDs or get them to and from places to get IDs.   Plus, you can get passports or passport cards at post offices.  You can get "assistance" to purchase these or possibly if they pass the voter ID law.... offer the funding.  

 
Just idea's that our elected officials should agree on.   It is simple and isn't any infringement of rights.  It is actually showing others they have rights if they are scared.

In every election there is always a de minimis amount of voter fraud  - the majority of it is from people voting Republican. It's against the law and people are prosecuted for voter fraud.

It is actually by both sides.   Look what is coming out right now about some Dem councilman.  

 
But it happens on a small scale typically in more local elections.

 
But glad you can't refute any of my talking points about what could be done to gain integrity of our elections and just go to pointing fingers.  

Many republicans, and most if not all MAGA cultists, claim there's widespread voter fraud. There isn't. That's a huge problem for our democratic system along with the fact that MAGA voters will only accept the results of elections they win.

And by the way, the fact that I chose not to dispute anything else In your lengthy post should not be construed as tacit acceptance.  It's safer if you assume I agree with nothing that you post but have just decided to argue selectively.  

I wasn't saying you are agreeing with anything.

 
What I was saying is you had to go "REPUBLICANS CHEAT".... when I said nothing of the sort about democrats cheating.   I have even stated that TRUMP LOST the election.   I stated that there has been small issues of "fraud" being discovered and it is discovered every year.  WHICH NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.   Then I suggested ways to address it.  Which is getting fought tooth and nail by Democrats.

 
Then I talked about examples that I had personally.   Which just threw up red flags when I help with elections.   I am not saying people are cheating but can see how people could cheat.   I also talked about how "non citizens" can actually vote which tells "MAGA CULTISTS" to shut the fuck up.  Because they have a right to vote in local elections.  

 
But again.... Let blind hate ignore facts and possible solutions to problems that do exist.   There is a problem with our election process.   It isn't "rampant" like Trump or others think it is.  But there is a problem with it.   Also, people have lost faith in it.   things are needed to be done to restore faith in it.  But all the leaders are too stupid to do anything about it.

that we should get rid of mail-in ballots and all voting machines? I assume he mains only the modern computerized machines, and go back to mechanical ones?
I used a mail-in ballot during Covid and thought it was fine. I've used the old mechanical machines and the newer computerized machines and see no problem with any of them.

It isn't just trump anymore. He has convinced virtually all of MAGA, and many other republicans, that elections he doesn't win are rigged and replete with voter fraud. That's a huge problem for our country. That leads to not accepting the results of elections you lose and no more peaceful transfer of power. That's the end of democracy. Trump wants to destroy our institutions so citizens have no faith in government and gravitate to a strongman authoritarian like him. As a country we need to accept that our elections are secure and accurate because they are. Yours is a solution in search of a problem. As long as you and others think that voters you don't know are "fishy", the real problems facing our country go unaddressed and right-wing paranoia is exacerbated.

I am not "creating" a solution to a non-existing problem.   I am offering a solution to a minor problem that some people think is a major problem.   You even admitted and said "republicans" are the ones who cheated.   So there is a problem.....even if it is small.  

 
People are losing faith in our election process.   It isn't just republicans.   Many democrats said that the past election was "stolen" and people cheated.  

 
I mentioned things I noticed while working the at the poles that there is a need for change.   I notice that it could be easy to cheat if people wanted too.  

 
You know what it only takes to register to vote on election day in my area:

 
 1.  A registered voter from your precinct can go with you to the polling place to sign an oath confirming your address. This is known as 'vouching.' A registered voter can vouch for up to eight voters. You cannot vouch for others if someone vouched for you.

 
2.  If you live in a residential facility, a staff person can go with you to the polling place to confirm your address. This is known as 'vouching.' A staff person can vouch for all eligible voters living in the facility.  The staff person must prove their employment at the facility. There are several ways to do this, including by showing an employee badge. Learn more about voter registration in residential facilities.    (Group home type thing.... could someone force others to vote the way a staff member wants them too?)

 
3.  Student ID and something showing your address:  phone bill, lease, bank statement, credit card bill, city bill, etc.  Just has to be dated 30 days prior to election day.  

 
Kind of easy to cheat.... especially the "VOUCHING".    So yeah.... when you see new people, you have never seen before at the poles.   Come and vote.   With some of the "vouching" and only wanted to vote for president.   Things smell fishy.  Now I have no clue how they voted.   But see what I am getting at.    I had "students" from a college 20 miles away voting in our district... they produced papers showing they lived there.  Which was legal.  But could they also have voted on campus too?   I know I did when I was in college.... away from home.    Could people have possibly voted TWICE... possibly.  How many people/students "update" their registration cards?  Especially with the "record" turn out.   Maybe.... look how numbers dropped the next election.   Just saying.

 
Now with what I purposed doesn't change one thing with those 3 ways to register in my state...but that is a STATE ISSUE.

 
But if you don't see that something needs to be done to regain faith in our process.  Be it ID to vote, banning the "mail in" vote that was introduced during COVID as mainstream, or other little things.   Then you are blind and can't be helped.

 
I saw irregularities from one election to another to another.  Yes there were outlier factors as well....ie: Covid, non traditional candidates (TRUMP), etc.  It will be interesting the next presidential cycle.  Hopefully I am still around to help.

 
I am not "creating" a solution to a non-existing problem.   I am offering a solution to a minor problem that some people think is a major problem.

So what's wrong with them?

You would hire not one, but two, experienced, expert voter fraud investigative firms just like Trump did, who would go down every road, turn over every rock and look into every lead. And guess what? They came up completely empty. See how easy it is?

who had no experience, to find fraud in the 2021 election in Maricopa County, AZ. Their boss had earlier alleged there was fraud. They found no fraud and even more votes for Biden.
See how easy it is?

Machines are fine... both computer and other...... IMHO.

 
Mail in ballots are not.... well how they are being used or were used.   They were blindly sent out to registered voters (in many states) and then you dropped them off.   Even if you had to "request" them.... still wrong.   How do people know you were the actual one submitting that vote?

 
With absentee ballots (not fool proof) there are more requirements depending upon your state.   You might need a notary, send in photo copy of ID, etc.  You also have dead lines.  It is a little more accountability with it.  

 
With the other way it was mailed "blindly" to registered voters last known address.  Many people don't change voter registration cards until they are at the polls.  So if someone moved with in the last time they voted... ballot got mailed to wrong address someone could have used it and dropped it off.   Then the drop off.... no security or what I mean is no one vote or ballot type.  People could drop off 10 ballots if they wanted.  See the issues that can or could happen.   It is just accountability is all.

I'm in NY State and requested one. It was sent to the same address I'm registered at. I ended up dropping it at the polling place. So no real way to mis-use it.

the issue isn't whether you misuse your mail in ballot, it's the fact that there's NO control on many of the ghost ballots that get mailed in.  

You can deny this all you want and call guys like me cultists but I know what those numbers were went I went to bed at 3:00 am after watching the results roll in all night in 2020.  It was fucking over and the swing states rolled for trump.  But then just an hour later a never-seen-before-in-the-history of American presidential elections voting surge coming in at nearly 100% in favor of Biden put him over the top in the EC.  The candidate that never once left his basement to campaign had somehow won the most votes ever in the history of the country and even beat the amount by Barrack HUSSEIN Obama, the most exciting and lauded president since JFK.  

Voting centers had their windows covered and approved watchers were kept far away from the ballot counting.  Multiple CRT videos of highly unusual and never seen before transportation of ballots...Yeah, nothin to see here folks..

And for you that think "just the tip" is OK?  Al Franken lost to Norm Coleman for a MN senate seat by almost 500 votes out of 2.9 million cast.  After multiple recounts, he still lost.  THEN, golly gee, a ballot box was found in a car or in storage and after counting, Al Franken had pulled ahead by 230 votes and the secretary of state gaveled the contest over within minutes.  Actually, pretty normal for MN politics, just ask the current cuck mayor of MPLS who just got ousted by his own party for a somali pirate lookalike socialist.    

The nasty part about Franken winning (other than seeing his fat face on TV during hearings) was his vote was needed to pass OBAMACARE.  That's what that political battle was about.  

The very few who are committing voter fraud are being found out and prosecuted.  There are already laws on the books to handle the small number of these criminals.  So, yes, yours is a solution in search of a problem. The bigger problem is Republican efforts to suppress the vote especially with minorities and students who typically don't vote Republican. That plus the Republican effort to claim that voter fraud is massive and widespread when they lose an election as that disinformation degrades democracy.

http://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/fact-check-trumps-georgia-call-raffensperger

A long but thorough article . . .
http://www.factcheck.org/2025/08/factchecking-trumps-claims-about-mail-in-ballots-voting-machines-and-states-role/

"We" can't run elections the same way everywhere. Because the states run elections, not the Federal Government. To change that you'd have to change the Constitution and that's obviously not happening.
Keep up, Wanker.

Mechanical counting / tabulating machines are NOT hack proof.

In dozens and dozens of recent recounts, machine counting has been shown to be more accurate and more reproducible than hand counting.  (There were concerns about the older ballot counting machines but the issues raised have been addressed and fixed.)  

The currently used ballot counting machines are not connected to the internet.

MAGAs called for recounts and investigations in many states. Rudy claimed that 50,000 dead people voted in GA. Trump claimed on a recorded phone call to Raffensperger, "There's no way I lost Georgia. There's no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes." There were multiple recounts in GA. GA found "fewer than 12" dead voter ballots and these were submitted by MAGAs.  
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And the list of wackadoodle MAGA claims goes on ... and on, and on, and on. The majority of proven vote fraud cases were MAGA and the PROVEN (videotaped) proof of tampering were all MAGA (e.g., MAGA voting commissioners allowing people access to **voting machines** and data).  
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http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/politics-and-religion-39/re-willy-is-not-entirely-wrong-and-you-misunderstand-both-barr-and-the-election-lawsuits-433265
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/politics-and-religion-39/re-what-part-of-impossible-to-verify-dont-you-understand-436845
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/politics-and-religion-39/re-a-recount-means-nothing-436915
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http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/politics-and-religion-39/this-sounds-familiar--449945
"... Wasn't there something about Fox that they "stood by the debunked claims" of Italian satellites switching votes from Trump to Biden, 50000 dead people voting in Georgia (and Trump still winning by 800,000 votes), and Chinese ballots printed on bamboo paper, and Dominion voting machines being pre-loaded with 40,000 Biden votes, ...? I don't remember any stories about Haitians and cats eating the Trump ballots but it's all falling into place ... that place being the nuthouse.  
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Even Fox hosts were calling Sidney Powell and her source "wackadoodle" from the very beginning. But they kept it up until they couldn't prove even ONE single claim and had to pay $787 million for defamation. ..."

Marlene Bourne: the lady who had "visions" of wackadoodle voter fraud and put the worm in Sidney Powell's and Fox hosts' and Trump's ears:

How is asking for ID to vote "suppression"?   You saying Students and minorities are too dumb to get IDs?

 
When everything else in life requires IDs.    

 
If you can't acknowledge how it is EASY to cheat on a "vouching" system.  YOU ARE BLIND.   Also how do you police that?   Also how do they police voting twice?  especially when voter rolls are not cleaned up.  They do that once every 10-15 years.   Many that is why people got pissed about DOGE doing things.  

What our country should be doing is making it easier to vote not more difficult.  A thriving democracy requires voter participation not suppression.  Strict voter ID laws is one of the many ways republicans try to suppress the vote. In-person voter impersonations is almost non-existent. Strict voter ID laws disproportionately impact Black, Native, elderly, low income, rural, and student voters while failing to address election integrity. Marginalized populations face disproportionate barriers to voting because photo IDs that fits the legal requirement to vote are not as common as you might assume. Around 20% of these potential voters may not have the strict ID required or the ability to obtain such ID. It is wrong to pass laws that deny eligible American voters the opportunity to participate equally in our democracy.

Why do Dems insist that Black, Native, elderly, low income, rural, and student voters are not inherently intelligent enough to register to vote.  It's not rocket science, and it's fairly simple to go online or to a voter registration office and fill out the form.  Suggesting that blacks and these other groups are not savvy enough is absolutely racist IMO.  

Thanks for your very adept attempt at reverse rate-baiting.
Here's a news flash: citing simple facts does NOT equate to racism. Except in the mind of righties who love to play the race card.

http://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/17/fact-check-illegal-votes-wisconsin-not-larger-than-biden-victory/8895829002/
Fact check: No proof of widespread fraud in conservative group's investigation of Wisconsin election.
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"... No evidence of widespread voter fraud in Wisconsin.
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"A recount, audit and several lawsuits have upheld the results of the 2020 election in Wisconsin. There is no evidence widespread voter fraud affected the outcome. In late November 2020, the state finished a recount of its presidential election results in the state's two largest counties, affirming Biden's win. The next day, Democratic Gov. Tony Evers and the head of the Wisconsin Elections Commission certified the state's results. "Certification of the November 2020 presidential election was based upon lawfully cast votes that were affirmed by municipal, county and state canvass certifications and multiple court decisions after reviewing these matters," Riley Vetterkind, the commission's public information officer, said in an email to USA TODAY. ...
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"... In December 2020, Wisconsin's Supreme Court upheld the state's election results by rejecting a lawsuit from Trump. In February, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case, which challenged Wisconsin's voting laws. ..."
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The incremental updating of vote counts from different districts can explain the uptick in the image you keep posting. It was investigated in Wisconsin the final vote count was confirmed by recounts.

I don't have a graph to illustrate the conspiracy theories but I do have this.  
Wackadoodle voter fraud claims, thy name is willy:

-- Modified on 8/20/2025 8:24:50 PM

I think we know who the real racist is here. It is certainly not me who wants more people, including minorities, to be able to vote and who is against strict voter ID laws that disproportionately effect citizens who might vote for Dems. Shame on you for trying to gaslight us. Whenever you try such tactics, you always fail.

"Certification of the November 2020 presidential election [in Wisconsin] was based upon lawfully cast votes that were affirmed by municipal, county and state canvass certifications and multiple court decisions after reviewing these matters."