I just read a post and one you guys were talking about asian agency prices going up because of MP and how we allow this to happen. I have to agree.
Although I love Asian women, the market is saturated with hot K-Girls and now Japanese girls. I don’t think the demand is any higher than post covid yet the supply has tripled. The only reason we pay more is because we think with our little heads and because 50 bucks is nothing to many people living in DC metro area. Those 50´s do add up though. We have forums, we have communities where we share info with each other. Why do we just allow them to get away with it. If we boycott the prices for just 2 weeks, they will start to drop. I don’t think we should pay more than 250 -300 for asian agencies. There are too many of them. We have to organize something because too many guys are out here paying 400 dollars for Japanese girls with terrible service. I get it, you guys can afford. Let’s be honest though, we are getting fleeced. I am on the younger side of the monger spectrum so maybe that why I am over crying about prices lol. That said, don’t you guy walking away feeling like you got a good deal. Half the times I leave feeling like I am the one that got shafted. Come on guys we can do better.Much easier to just move on to what you can get and be happy with than to think you're going to force others to sell at a price they don't think is enough compensation for their work.
Do kids these day even understand basic economics?
My friends it is you who has clearly demonstrated for anyone who has even taken 101 level economics class that you have no clue what you speak of. The supply of Asian girls in the area has gone up and yet the prices are rising. That is normal to you?
Second of all, if this is your understanding of how economics work than I am concerned for you: “Than to think you're going to force others to sell at a price they don't think is enough compensation for their work”. You think prices/ salaries are dictated by peoples sentiment of their worth. What rock have you been living under.
Of course you can force others to sell at a price they don’t want. If we all stop buying petrol tomorrow and ride our bikes for a month, the price will plummet. If we all stop using asian agencies for a bit and start using independents, white girls, black girls, latinas for just a while, the same thing will happen. You will probably exclaim that those girls are even pricier! Yes that is because there are less of them. Their prices are set by the market. These Asian agencies are shafting us, and all you can do is find the time to insult my intelligence. Laughable.
The increase in supply has been primarily with MP with mostly lower quality Japanese and Chinese girls. Some are good and the lady who spun off from MP and started changing more seems to have struggled a bit, but did, it seems, started driving the price up for MP as they are competing for the same girls. That seems to be more a case of a bidding war due to a split up.
You don't need to try to organize a boycott, just take your money somewhere else.
Oddly the prices you're mentioning are actually what most of the K-Agencies are pricing at. Moreover, those places are now starting to get more, younger providers now so the availability of K-Girls is improving but hardly where it was before. There have been some new agencies coming in but largely they are only bring the number of K-agencies back to about where it was before FOSTA and COVID. Non seem to be able to keep a full house running regularly so for them supply is still lower than before -- however quality has been improving and approaching what was the norm here before. But if you look at their price increases they are largely in line with the average inflationary trends (though less smooth in adjustments).
There doesn't seem to be any change the ones advertising on places like Bedpage so I don't think there's been some huge increase in the availability of Asian providers. So all in all the claims of some significant increase in supply, meaning a change that one might expect to impact market prices, seems grossly over stated.
And yes, seeing prices rise during an inflationary period even if supply has shifted so a higher quantity supplied at each price point is completely consistent with economic theory and laws -- even the simplified ones of econ 101. The observation is not common but your claim of increased supply is not well supported, so seeing prices increase over time and particularly under inflationary conditions is hardly surprising or odd.
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250-300. I think it's too harsh. I believe those girls still need to pay for their contact too.
For me 300-360 is ok but not for 400.
Well, I might stop using MP til next year cause I don't have a feeling for new line up and their price pop to 400 territory too.
It also a hit or miss on MP. I have a miss on 400 and yep I feel the same as you. HH session also too short. Just taking a shower alone is about 5-10 mins. I'm not just go in and pop. If that's the point I can do it myself at home with no cost.
Well, all that said but if they still keeping busy they will not lower the price for sure. Hope to see the next line up for 300-360 not 340-400.
From what I understand, that is where the prices were at pre-covid. I was not around so perhaps someone can enlighten me here.
I was in SF though, and I can tell you the prices were and are still lower. Still in the high 200’s to low 300’s. I think 300 - 320 is a fair price. Anything above that and they are just playing on the fact that we just don’t care. We need it it bad enough that we will pay wtv they ask. So far they have been correct.
"we have to organize"..........like what? strike? boycott them?
True, they are raising their pricing, but only because there is huge demand for their "service".
Have you seen some pricing for some indys of comparable age/looks?
Over the past 10 years, the supply of young White gals has all but dried up, or they have it in their heads that they're worth $750-900-1200+ per hour.
Being the affluent area that we're in, the days of the young hottie college aged "10's" are practically over. Occasionally, you'll find one under the radar, but I'm suspecting that those who find them are keeping them UTR.
$300-400 for a young 20-something really isn't over-priced, especially for an agency gal, who must split a huge chunk with the house. Look hard enough or make friends with a few other mongers and you'll get good solid indy recommendations for that price range.
Keep in mind though, that once a gal goes over 3-maybe 4 apts a day, she started getting jaded and burned out. The hobby we're all engaging in isn't an "equal opportunity" opportunity. If she can get more $$$ AND do fewer apts, she'll definitely do it. Heck, look at today's workforce compared to just a few years ago. It used to be great to be able to work and dress casual Fridays.....then get Fridays off.....then just go in a few days a week... Now people bitch that bosses are demanding that you actually go into the office for the job (that you're paid for BTW and being at the boss' whim)
Find your favorite regulars to fit into your rotation and take care of them well. They will reciprocate in turn.
Above all: don't get careless, especially with the agencies handling your info. It only takes being busted one time and the feeling of handcuffs isn't fun.......
You make alot of good points and I agree with much of what you are saying.
I think the point I am trying to make is that this upward trend in prices will not stop here. They are testing the waters and slowly dialing up the prices.
Yes I am suggesting people slow down on using Asian agencies for a while. Not all of them but the ones responsible for driving the prices up. Clubparadise for example has one of the girls with highest ratings in the area yet they charge 320. Reasonable price! Then you have MP charging 400 for girls with zero experience and terrible service. Yes many of them are young and hot but really?? Hell some Latina agencies like EM deserve the same.
I mean this may sound naive and utopic on my part but I don’t think it’s impossible. That said again you made alot of good points and have given good advice.
I suspect that the "fixed costs" for MP must be at play. A regular provider told me one time of always being cognizant of the fixed costs whenever she comes into town, especially staying at a hotel.
MP seems to be hosting at all types of various places with the "host" - some older guy, letting you in to the room. Don't know if he is there to keep watch over the gals or what. But those gals almost seem "innocent" and many, as you said, are inexperienced. *I'm not saying that they are at all being made to do what they do* I sincerely hope not. But they do seem to have grown....very very quickly. BBFS seems to be a key feature with some of their gals if they get a good feeling about you.
The Korean agencies seem to be less loosey-goosy with their operations. They will at times completely shut themselves off from responding to requests when they get overburdened or hit an ideal number of regulars.
Hope that some of those gals make it out to be independents. Many of them sure have the "look" to be stars in this area.
I hate the "house"...... (being in the financial services industry, I hated that the house took over 70%+ of the commissions!)
The market clearly supports the current rates. If it doesn't, it will correct and ladies will drop out or lower prices. Any business should charge the max amount the market will support. 500 is the new 300, broke boy, it isn't 2012.
Broke boy 🤣. Some of you guys just can’t seem to reply with meaningful information without taking a jab. Says more about you than about me.
where KGirl pricing has always been lowest in the country. The thing is, even their pricing is up.
There’s no shot a boycott would gather any traction, so you might want to look at booking shorter sessions or checking out the Chinese girls.
The sad thing seems to be that the BA used to not only be the lowest price but also had lots of young, hot K-Girls that wanted to be there. That last bit seems to have changed and now it's lower but higher than before and none of the younger stars want to be there. Or that is the impression I get from horror stories I hear from that group. Now it seems some want to recreate the results elsewhere. No thanks is my view.
I think your point about the shorter sessions also has high relevance here. As far as I can tell it's only MP (Chinese/Japanese) that is pushing their prices up. The K-shops are all pretty much at 320 -- so 20 higher than 3 years ago. That's basically in line with inflation. But I don't know of many K places that offered 30 minute sessions. Used to be 45 min was the min. MP may well want more shorter session and the girls as well. If they are doing 30 min @ 220 (or even higher I've seen at times) then why would they offer hour sessions at 320, 350 or even 375. They may well be loosing money if that one hour session cost them 2 30 min sessions.
I've heard enough people complaining about the high prices there and assumed most were like me and just moved on to more agreeable terms. And that might be true but perhaps the main customer base for MP is the short-term fuck and go client.
You’re not the first to say “we” should organize a boycott.
Here’s the thing…the prices for Asian agencies are way lower than any other agencies or independents (unless you go for the lower tier providers on STG, Bedpage, etc.).
Prices are NEVER retreating back to what they were, especially with the economy the way it is.
You’re new and are on the “younger end” of the spectrum so I get that you’re feeling the pinch.
But that’s the current price of entry. You want to be able to play more, work on your skill set, increase your marketability, and make more money.
You are never going to get prices down.
Just check MP and see new line up.
I smile cause no 400
It's really hurt me when I pay for the price and the photo is not accurate. Lesson learned and will wait for more reviews come out.
So many good points in this thread! I still feel the Asian agencies are a very good overall value in the market (I'm defining value in this case as price, quality, availability and reliability).
One can find cheaper providers, but you're liable to be in a sticky sheet motel with a questionable or flaky provider that smells like dope or booze or worse.
On the other hand, one can find amazingly beautiful providers that treat you like a long lost lover but they're easily twice the price, if not triple. Good luck getting a same day appointment.
Asian agencies seem to have the sweet spot of generally good quality providers at prices that might be going up but aren't astronomical. And I can usually get a same day (sometimes within hours) appointment.
Now add in overhead. Housing and rental prices in the NOVA/DC area are increasing and the agencies are in condos, presumably rented. There's a fixed cost that is going to be passed on to the customer. I don't know about yall but every time I fly I'm like, WTF with ticket prices? There's another fixed cost that will pass through directly to the customer - the ladies have to get here somehow. I'm sure there are others.
Someone mentioned the customer base might be one and done, drive-bye (as opposed to us conosures here at TER). I hadn't thought of that but it does make some sense and would definitely work against an organized attempt to put downward price pressure on the market. The boycott base would be small and the customer base would still be large.
Finally, I'm trying to think of any organized price boycotts that have been successful. I'm sure there are some, but I can't think of them. Boycotts for a cause, civil rights in the 50s/60s and blood diamonds in Africa come to mind, can have an impact. But a straight price boycott? Like I said, I'm not aware of any that have worked. I'm not saying "it's never been done so it'll never work" I'm just saying when you add in all of the other factors, it's not looking good.
What would work is a disruptor (think Sprint disrupting AT&T in the 80s, discount airlines like Southwest in the 90s, or Mint Cellular today). I just don't know how you do that in this business.
Anyway, fun discussion! Happy Hobbying and stay safe!
Are the virtual sites. Many providers who use to do GFE services are no longer for available for meet ups. They are doing everything virtual now.