So after a few months or years at being a provider, what are things about being a provider that are different or a surprise you, than the way you thought it would be befre you started?

How about the number of times a provider gets asked, "so how does my cock compare?"

this, but I never knew how much I would LOVE it!! It's been many years now, and it gets better each year. I keep thinking, NOW I am at my sexual peak. But I keep peaking higher and higher... heavens, may it long continue! I actually cream my panties now when I see older and distinguished gentlemen with gray or white hair. Who knew??

It's nice to read that some providers actually, you know, LIKE what they do.  That they get some enjoyment out of it more than just, "Well, it's been 15 minutes, and that's another $125."  

I'm being a little snarky this morning.  

It's funny how some providers feel that they need to speak for everyone else.  I try not to speak for my fellow hobbyists/clients.  I can only speak from my own experiences, and I'm glad to hear that three years later, you are still doing this and loving it.

Sure, the money is nice, but let's face it.  The fact that money is exchanged opens the door for you meeting people you otherwise wouldn't otherwise ever consider going out/talking with, much less having sex with.  And from my side, it opens the doors to women who otherwise would never talk with me, but getting my proverbial "foot" (penis?) in the door.

Sometimes, the money aspect actually is a good thing.  You are an example of where it has worked out, I think.

I don't want to put words in your mouth.  Just saying that I appreciate reading responses like yours.

Of course, someone else might say that you are just spinning this and "acting."  

You mean some reviews embellish the truth a bit? Say it isnt so! I am sure EVERY woman I have ever been with O's every 5 sec .... I just know it!!!!!!

I enjoy  her  acting , as long as it's good acting .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4FBIfDPwME

Posted By: crazyshit

It's nice to read that some providers actually, you know, LIKE what they do.  That they get some enjoyment out of it more than just, "Well, it's been 15 minutes, and that's another $125."  

I'm being a little snarky this morning.  

It's funny how some providers feel that they need to speak for everyone else.  I try not to speak for my fellow hobbyists/clients.  I can only speak from my own experiences, and I'm glad to hear that three years later, you are still doing this and loving it.

Sure, the money is nice, but let's face it.  The fact that money is exchanged opens the door for you meeting people you otherwise wouldn't otherwise ever consider going out/talking with, much less having sex with.  And from my side, it opens the doors to women who otherwise would never talk with me, but getting my proverbial "foot" (penis?) in the door.

Sometimes, the money aspect actually is a good thing.  You are an example of where it has worked out, I think.

I don't want to put words in your mouth.  Just saying that I appreciate reading responses like yours.

Of course, someone else might say that you are just spinning this and "acting."  

It's the long term friends you find who really do like you for more than the sex. I have grown much through the years and so has the list of very close friends who started as a client. I don't think anyone ever expects to meet people who will last more than just one date but to be friends for years is quite a different view than I had to start with. A very wonderful addition to all the other pluses this type of relationship has given me

Kisses Haley

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Damn, mark one up for the "silver foxes".....u just made my day!!

Your tiresome  rant about the non fact that I said every provider is ONLY here for the money is now getting old. You know I did not say that. Ask the next lady you book for a freebie and let me know how that goes. She might love what she does but don't pay her and see how for your penis gets in the door. You seem to be the only one who is not getting this. You're butt hurt that someone at sometime has most likely faked to please you and give you the illusion you PAID for. And you will never know who.

Read the part where she mentions the non-sex enjoyment. We both love, love, love our job....never said I didn't love it. I do, very much. I just love a bit differently than you expect.

I have three clients that are friends and have been for over 10 years, to the point I know their families, have spent Thanksgiving, and hang out with. They know everything about my private life and I mean everything, as I do theirs.

You mistake my motivation for not caring. That is far from the truth. You want, no need a provider to be as sexually into you as you are to her. Good luck with that with every lady you meet. Some will and some won't. If they are good at their job, you'll never know.

If you can find in my posts where is said every other provider is ONLY here for the money, post it and I will apologize and then correct that statement. And be careful, if I did not use the word ONLY, you don't have a leg to stand on.

I will say this again... EVERY provider that is here, is here for the money, whether it is a primary or secondary goal. A woman can get sex anytime, anywhere for free. You have read into my statements things that are not true because you don't like what I have said.

I have been here for 10 years, on and off, and I have never regretted my decision to become a companion. I have never had a bad experience.

It, this providership, if you will, has afforded me the opportunity to meet highly interesting individuals, all with their own story to tell. I love it when I spend an evening with a gentleman with taste, discernment and a great sense of humour. I have been more places and seen more things than any of my peers, and this is all due to my place in this world.

I did 6 months of research before I ever entered into this world and made the conscious decision that companionship and I would work well together. That is something I think many people fail to do. I remember my first time What a great guy and we are still in touch.

What is surprising and different is that, before, I didn't think I would enjoy this, but I certainly did and do! I love this lifestyle.

Soon, it will change, but I have never, ever had a single regret. Sometimes I wish I would have started 10 years earlier, but looking back, at 18, I did not have the maturity to handle the "business" aspect of it (screening, scheduling, etc.). That would have been a lost cause for sure. I came into this world when I was meant to do so

Boy, this Captcha shite is a real mofo! One word you can read and the other is totally effed up. Jeebus!

so many of you when I can't post on the boards. It is like a little club where we have each other's back even when we disagree amongst ourselves. When the stalkers, trolls, and outsiders come in, we take up for one another. I never expected to find true friends for life here, but I have.

That is just truly insane.  You can speak for yourself.  You can even speak for what you THINK others are thinking.  But let's not talk about you speaking for everyone.  Because you don't.

Like I said, if I'm paying for SEX, then I expect the girl to also enjoy it.  If I cared that you got off on watching me get off...who needs that?  I can get myself off, and I don't need you to get off watching me get off.  That does nothing for me.  Because I can get off without paying for it.  Your being happy I get off has nothing to do with why I would pay for sex.

My ATF gave me a freebie last time.  But you wouldn't believe that.  My ATF is taking me on a trip near my birthday and paying for the suite at a five-star resort.  You wouldn't believe that, either.

I don't need sexual gratification on the lady's part with everyone I meet.  But if a woman is as blunt as you are about not geting off, then why in God's name would I ever want to book with you?

You can't speak for guys not knowing that you are faking.  Seriously...that is as silly as you telling me that I can figure out whether you are faking.

Not every woman can get sex anytime for free.  Even in NYC.  If you believe that, I will show you three or four girls who haven't gotten laid in over six months.

I don't dislike what you said, and you have no clue about what I just wrote.  Which is typical when you simply say what you want to say, without thinking about it, as you do.

Read that, and see if you think I believe that money SHOULD NOT be exchanged.

I'll admit that I find Saturnsky's posts very one-sided.  That's fine.  Where I think she goes over the line is in her absolutes:

1.  Every provider does this for the money.  Um, no.  I can find at least a few exceptions, including the ATF who gave me the overnight last weekend for free.  Yes, free.  You can say MOST do it for the money, but don't tell me EVERYONE does it for the money.  One exception blows apart her absolute, as it did not only last week, but also in the future, since this ATF is taking me on a trip for my birthday and paying for the suite at a five-star resort/hotel.

2.  Every provider can fake it without the client knowing.  Um, no.  That's just crazy.

If she just cooled it with the absolutes, she might actually make some sense to me.  She does, for the most part, til she decides to make it an absolute.  Short of that, I think she makes very valid points.

To summarize my view about paying for sex...read the post by Charlotte under addictions to sex.  My viewpoint is that it opens up doors and for people to meet who otherwise wouldn't.  Simple as that.  I got no problem with the exchange of funds.  But if I'm gonna pay for sex, I want the other person to enjoy it.  Simple as that.  I don't give a shit if the girl is getting enjoyment from me getting off.  That's not why I'm paying.

But please don't tell me that EVERY provider is all about the money.  With certain clients, it just isn't the case.  Maybe that's not your experience, but it's mine.  And before you try to say..."Oh, you're so naive," consider that you are making some real assumptions about my own experiences.  I don't tell you that your experiences are bullshit.  Maybe you shouldn't suggest that mine are.

Just a thought.

money from you guys in the future..it's called marketing! Just because she makes you an offer once in a while does not mean it's not about the money...just duh. When she stops providing and fks only you for free, THEN it's not about the money. We know what we are doing here..just keep that in mind. You thinking all these women are on the up and up, actually like you or every guy they see, is delusional. If she is offering you such things out of genuine attraction, then you have an even bigger problem than you thought you did. That in turn will lead to her not giving you refs to keep you, or falling in love...but it sounds as if that is what you might actually want.

saturn does not speak for "providers," but she does speak for the business, which is exaclty what it is! If any of us were not about the money guess what..it would ALWAYS be free!! Don't kid yourself that getting perks is something that is exclusive to only you, or even if a girl likes you...I can assure you, it's not.

You cannot be as stupid as Saturnsky and tell me that this is what EVERY provider does.  Of course, you aren't saying that, either.  

Ask another provider who has as much as experience as you, and she will say that competing on price is stupid because once you set the low bar, you can't more money from the guy in the future.

I wish you could talk with my ATF, but she doesn't post and isn't reviewed.  And she would tell you that for a special client like me (haha), it isn't about the money.

The $250 I give her for hours and hours of playtime is simply a matter of appreciation.  She could be doing something else.  I make enough money, so I give that to her.  You interpret that as...stop the money, and she stops coming over.  You're entitled to your opinion, of course...

Saturn can speak for her and maybe even you.  But she sure as hell doesn't speak for everyone.  That's the point I'm making.  I don't speak for your experiences, London...really, do you want to speak for mine?  

Or maybe my ATF always takes guys out for their birthdays and pays $600/night for the suite...

Ha!

all along. It is a totally different mentality. She is also ONE person who has no reviews and does not post, so that tells me she does not have a provider mentality. No wonder you are confused. You're actually dating a damn sugar baby! And again, I tell you she thinks more about you than you realize but that's what you want. The girl sounds to me like she has fallen for you, because no provider would do that unless she had or seriously had "appreciation" issues.

You're wrong about another thing too. Stop giving her any money and see how much more she gives you. If she splits it was about the damn money, and if she does not you just had a hooker fall in love with you. Which is the lesser of two evils? Good grief. You are either being played or she is seriously in love...take your pick, but for you to assume you are just a special client when this shit happens all the time is nuts. It is usually only done for one of two reasons, and I just listed them.

Have you any idea how many women have guys here saying the same bs as you are saying right here? "Oh, it's not the money it's me" lol. Ok hon. When you want a dose of reality let me know.



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She does provide, and she is reviewed...just not by me.  Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

She charges $500/hour and gets it, and is usually booked days in advance.

Sorry to keep you in suspense, as if you care, but she is not a sugar baby.  And I am not a sugar daddy.

She has way more money than I do, if you must know...

And I ain't good-looking enough to be Deuce Bigalow.

I know you REALLY want to poke holes in this, but stop trying.  

Or keep trying, because that's the last time I'm bringing this up.  It is fucking entertaining as all shit seeing how you providers love to try to bucket everyone the way you feel, as well.  

Now I know what CCPA likes to stir up shit.

I appreciate the posts and the exchange of information and even a bit of "friendship," as you call it.  (Though truthfully, a friend is someone who will lend you money when you need it, in my book.)

But as far as having each others' back...I don't buy that brand.

But I'm glad you really enjoy the board.  You put a lot into it, and I think you get back what you put in.

sucking strange d*ck for a living and getting double what you pay. Face it, she is in love or you're delusional...one or the other. Test the theory...don't give her another dime and see how long she pays for anything. Or...propose bwahhaaha. She like most other providers are very good at their JOBS, and your posts prove it. You are so caught up, it's almost sad to watch.

-- Modified on 8/18/2012 5:51:03 PM

I love it that you really just can't compute when it doesn't fit into your realm of reality.

Be well.  

defenders now, and I for them.

I do think you're pretty cool, but I get anyone's back if he/she is talking nonsense.

Even at work...I don't play politics.  I guess I don't have to, because I run the place.

Live and learn or ask her to marry you, because it sounds as if you either want to or at the very least NEED to feel as if she really likes you for this to work. Whatever you need brother. Tell yourself what makes you feel good...let us know when that shit changes, and it will. I noticed you can't answer the question of whether or not she has fallen for you though..says it all right there. Of freaking course if a hooker is dumb enough to fall for a client, she is going to treat him like a boyfriend..duh!

Not every woman who provides is a hooker.  

but if a woman accepts money for sex, she is a hooker. You won't change that FACT no matter how PC you want to be..it's still a FACT that Webster's confirms. Even gold diggers without reviews are still hookers..so are sugar babies. If you could see how you are defending this girl and your relationship from an outside perspective, you would realize just how bad you got it. You don't, and hey that's all good. I just hope you are not hurt over the outcome.

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-- Modified on 8/18/2012 6:24:53 PM

You EXPECT the girl to enjoy it? You are more than delusional. You're down right nuts. You get to pick her and get all horned up but she opens the door and sees you standing there and is supposed to feel as hot for you as you for her? Wow. I have an 84 year old client covered with liver spots, the sweetest guy on the planet but there is no freaking hope in hell anything is going to happen with him on the orgasm front, no matter how much I close my eyes and fantasize. But I make this dear old darling feel like King Kong and nary an orgasm from.

And that ATF, ask her to fuck for free from now and lets see how long she's your atf? And if she does, she wants a LTR with you and you are her boyfriend. Two very different things.

And when will you take your head out of your ass and realize I am not speaking for everyone. I have never stated that. Jesus get some fucking reading glasses. What I write is my opinion and I can damn well have as many as I like.

And crazy I don't tell my clients I don't get off, I am smarter than that and this is a business and you don't cut off your nose to spite your face. And you're 100% certain the women you pay to fuck are coming every time you fuck them? Yeah I bet you do, after all you EXPECT them to come for you. No pressure there.

And I can say 100% that the guys I have been seeing for years have no idea that I don't or if they do, they don't care, because I am more to them than an orgasm and if it mattered that much they would have moved on.

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But don't fake.  If you fake, I will have zero interest in booking with you.  Simple.  My money is better spent elsewhere.  FOR ME.

You really understand what I am saying.  I have NEVER said I expect a girl to get off.  I said it's nice if she does, and I really get off on that.  But I have NEVER said I will expect a girl to get off.  I HAVE said I don't like actresses.  Maybe that's why you get so bent.

The ATF fucked me for free last night.  Spent the night.  Fucked in the morning.  Just dropped her off an hour ago.  And she provides.  Probably has an appointment in the city later today.  Has a multi-night session in the near future out of town.  And she knows who and when I see other girls.  I tell her.

Don't get so upset.  Her reality isn't yours.

I don't pay actresses.  Sorry.  You are an actress.  If I ever figured out who you were, you would be off the list.  That's fine, you know...not everyone gets along.

I don't pretend to say how you feel.  Don't tell me about how another girl feels.  It's funny, though.  I have never seen anyone else but you and LR get so bent outta shape about something that just doesn't fit into your idea of reality.

But I have to admit it's humorous.

Me:  I saw a purple dress on that girl.

SS:  No, it's red.

Me:  I'm pretty sure it was purple.

SS:  Purple doesn't exist.  It was red.

Me:  I have the dress in front of me.  It's purple.

SS:  Purple doesn't exist.

Haha...

ESPECIALLY in NYC.  That goes double for LR and SS, who don't even live here.

The provider in question used to work at a high-end, busy incall place back in the day under a different name.  She has worked internationally.  I wish she would come on and look at this, because she would just laugh.  In fact, I told her about this thread last night as I drove over to pick her up.

If you knew just how many guys in high places married their providers...it wouldn't be a unicorn event.

But you know...sometimes you just don't know.

Why do you keep bringing up geography? It has nothing to do with anything that is said here. No one cares if it is in NYC or freaking North Dakota..you clearly have some shit going with this chick that you are not ready to deal with, so I will leave you to it.

Holy crap was that an eventful thread.  I have to chime in on the side of LR and SS, crazyshit.  Seems pretty clear.  I don't like to paint myself into being just a straight out provider and I do have "friends" like you crazy but it certainly HAS to be about the $, or it just can't be no matter how well the chemistry is or any other aspect.

-- Modified on 8/19/2012 12:03:46 PM

You say red, I say purple.

You win.  It's red.  Because that's what you want to hear.

Have a nice day.  

... if I'm paying for SEX, then I expect the girl to also enjoy it...By enjoy it, do you mean the journey( cuddling, caressing etc) or the result( an orgasm) or both?

And now you're back peddling and saying you want honesty and that if she stated it was not working you'd be okay with that...a far cry from the quote above...which is it?

I enjoy lot's of aspects of being with my clients...I reserve the orgasm for my SO and that's the way it will always be.

I don't pay actresses (another quote from you)? Here's your absolute my man...how the heck do you know 100% for sure you have not in that past and will in the future?

Don't worry about crossing me off your little do list, I was never on it. With your lofty expectation that every lady you pay for sex is expected to enjoy it. you are way too demanding and high maintenance.

So my life is...unchanged.

Let me clarify again.  I don't expect every single girl to get off.  It's not realistic.  I DO expect a girl to be honest.  Not every girl has gotten off with me, and that's fine.  But if she is open to the idea of getting off, then we're cool.

I'm not backpedaling, but you really feel a need to win this one, so you win.  

Yes, it is red, and not purple.  

You win.  I hope your life is better.  

CCPA is right...it is way too easy to draw the likes of people like you into an argument.  

And it changed from expect her to enjoy it to expect her to be honest. Two entirely different things  

But that's okay, you tripped yourself up and had to right the sinking ship. Oh and I do enjoy playing too...in fact this conversation has been quite stimulating and interesting. So don't go patting yourself on the back thinking I had no idea what was going on. and that I was drawn into an argument with an old hobbyist.

But at the same time I always realize that is not possible.  

Reread what I said.  I want her to enjoy herself.  That means she should be OPEN to the idea of getting off, not necessarily actually GETTING off.

Your idea that I should be happy because you derive satisfaction out of me being in session is just not something I am into.

And your outspokenness on this subject is admirable, though to be honest, it is tiresome even for me to argue with you.

I see no upside in your approach in trying to tell me what I am thinking or experiencing, except to "win" amd say, "I told you so."

You take pettiness and make it an Olympic event.

SS makes an ass of herself when she uses absolutes.  There are no absolutes, except death and taxes.

For everything else, there is an exception.  And while in her small corner of the world, her experience may be reality, it LIKELY isn't the reality everywhere.

Speak your money, say your opinions, and everyone will appreciate that.  (Yes, even me.)

Start to tell me that my experiences are invalid or that I am somehow naive after doing this for 20+ years, and I will have fun picking you apart.

Not one other person has accused me of speaking for them or you for that matter. And when I asked several straight forward questions you dodged answering them but keep on with this pathetic crusade that I am speaking for you and all providers. If you really have something to say, answer my questions and we can have a real conversation.  Hang on but you are arguing...not very adult.

So, asked your ATF to fuck you for free yet?

...That means she should be OPEN to the idea of getting off... if it did you would have been that specific in the first place. My idea has nothing to do with you...it is what I get out of  a session not what you or anyone else for that matter should. Are you actually reading my stuff or are you so pissed that you can't see the woods for the trees type thing?

What I am trying to convey to you, is that it's one or the freaking other! Either she sees you as a client in which case, it is about the money or she sees you for something more...you JUST admitted that with your marriage "high enders marrying their provider" statement above. What you and she are doing is similiar to what me and lawn boy are doing...nothing wrong with that.

ALL I ever tried to say is that is NOT typical and there are reasons YOU are getting such perks that other guys are not...with me now? Yes, you ARE NAIVE if you think that a hooker going blow 600 on a suite does not like you in a way that is out of the odinary for a provider/client relationship. Does it mean she wants to marry you? Hell, maybe, but it does not change that fact that for you and her it is more to it than just a transacton...I agree with you on that point, but you are missing the "why" in this equation!  If it was normal, we would all be doing it with every guy we see! Damn! Oh, and from one of my ATF movies Heathers, "I'm Red!"

You talk about her and defend her as if she were your damn wife..look at the back and forth for proof. You going tell her about the thread is even more hilarious as if we are saying bad things about her...I am not. I am simply pointing out that hookers don't act this way with their clients just because...wake the fk up!

Not everyone thinks as you do, painful as it may be for that to fit into your realm of reality.

I have no issues with her or anyone else on this board.  To have issues means I actually give a shit what others think, and I really don't.  It's a fuck board, and this is all just banter back and forth, with some information occasionally exchanged.

I don't take this stuff personally.  I just find it very humorous that SS won't drop it.  She has no dog in this fight, and she shouldn't give a shit between what happens to me and another provider.  But she does.  Which is the comedy here.

I never said my experience is the norm.  It is, however, MY experience, and it is comical that anyone tries to convince that I'm delusional.

You need to reread my posts if you care.  And since you don't, you shouldn't.  And you should just drop it, because that's what you're saying you want to do.  But I wouldn't be surprised if for some reason you can't.

And all of this is just funny to me.