Maybe I'm missing something but if I was a client I wouldn't spend a penny on someone I wasn't attracted to regardless of how cheap they were. Heck I wouldn't even contact them at all. Mind you this is not the same as being bait and switched or getting crappy service. This is men contacting providers stating they aren't hot enough for their rates and should lower them why spend even a penny on someone you aren't attracted to? Serious question

when you say  "...I wouldn't spend a penny on someone I wasn't attracted to...", emphasis on the word "I".

Different strokes for different folks, everyone is attracted to different things. To say someone should lower their prices because they aren't YOUR type is ridiculous.  

Yes, but if by eating that mustard you gave you an intense orgasm...

;-(

Personally, I completely agree with you!    

We like to give the benefit of our dicks to anyone who appreciates it.
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Beyond that it is cruel to comment on someone's looks for most any reason, including price haggling.
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So yes, men will have different price standards vs looks.  But gentlemen won't comment negatively on someones looks.  

a guy who just wants to take a jab at someone...
Saying something like that to anyone isn't going to bring about a positive result. The lady isn't going to say...OK, ill knock off a hundred for the session.  No...its 100 percent guaranteed to piss her off...which unless they're completely delusional, they already know thats going to be the end result, so contacting a lady to make a statement like that was never about trying to set an appointment...its a time waster with an axe to grind against women. Or simply looking to make someone else feel as inadequate as he most certainly feels about himself.

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It wouldn't it would make me sick

And excuse all the typos...TER really could use an edit tab.

You can edit.  Go to the flat view.  (Make sure you are logged in.)  By your post is an Actions button and it has an edit option.  Once you edit the message it usually gets kicked into moderation and disappears for a while until it is approved.
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I think the automatic moderation thing is a pain, not the editing part.

thank you!

These guys are not saying you are NOT attractive to them. They are saying for the amount asked you are not attractive ENOUGH to them. There is a big different between that an not be attracted at all or not being the right type.

That the edit option is only good for four hours after your initial post, but you can edit it as many times as you want during that window.

I'm coming up to my 1000th provider I have seen before the end of the year,  so I've been around, and I don't think there is anything wrong with your rates.  They are competitive in the places I hobby with other indies. I especially appreciate the fact that you understand the finer points of marketing in your rate structure.  If I was in your city, I would be doing the 3-hr session.  Its very attractive for older guys like me who appreciate the social aspect of seeing an escort as well as the physical.  

Er, Jack Dunphy. He's the dimwit who claims to negotiate girls' rates, so it may be one of his lines. He's certainly stupid enough to use it.
Bottom line: some guys are cheap AND stupid. And, yes, that's a stupid line.

You don't need to be in Flat Mode to reach the Edit function.

I don't think I have ever put that extra step in, but that doesn't make him stupid, only forgetful, like the rest of us old fuckers.  

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So I investigated how to do it in tree mode.  Seems if you click on your own subject line it pops it to the top and gives the Action button which has the edit option.  

That's how I do it.  It moves your post to the top of the page and from there, the button on the lower right will take you to edit, just like Nick said.  

Most of the comments above make sense.  Most guys think in terms of value.  I certainly don't think like most guys, though.  That said, most guys would probably rather stay home and beat their meet than see a 7/7 TER lady.  That same guy might be willing to pay $1,200/hr to see a top tier, 10/10 porn star with an open menu, up to $600/hr for a 9/9 lady with an open menu, up to $450/hr for a lady that is at least an 8.5/8.5, up to $350 for a lady that is at least an 8/8 (in their eyes), and he may not even consider ladies below an 8.  That is probably more or less how most guys think on some level.  Basically it sounds like the guy was suggesting that you are somewhat attractive and fuckable, but not super hot (in his eyes).  Also, some guys may not pay above x amount unless the lady offers CIM or some other desired service.  

Attempts to belittle a woman and lower her self worth.  Guys that would do that are scum.

Pulling that kind of crap is the most evil kind of misogamy.  Saying you are "not hot enough" in the hopes of preying on your insecurities to get a better rate is really just a code for "you, a mere female, should be grateful that I, an Alpha Male, will even consider allowing you to fuck me."  It's his mistaken attempt at a power play and he deserves to get fucked for the rest of his life by the only person he thinks is worthy of his attention: himself.  

I know I'm broke.  
The girls that I see know they are not hot enough to charge a lot.  
So it all goes without saying.  
Sometimes it's not about the attraction but the need.

And I can't quantify the difference between a girl charging $500 and one charging $1000.  They do the same things, and often, the $500 girl does them better.  But for me, service is king.  I have had some of the best sex of my life with GND types, pretty face and rocking body, and a lot of mediocre sex with DDG types, so there is no such thing as a provider being not hot ENOUGH for me, as long as she's not downright homely or fat, and our OP is neither. I guess what I'm trying to say is I would not necessarily pay more for a 10 in appearance.  That would just be a bonus.  I'm also suspicious of high-priced 10/10's because a lot of mongers inflate the service score in their review for DDG girls in order to justify the higher rate they paid.    

Many of my clients aren't "rich," but save up for a while to see me. I know it's delayed gratification, but maybe consider putting aside a little $$ each week and saving up for your dream lady? (Assuming your dream lady charges more than you normally spend, which is the impression I gathered from your post).

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Didn't even look at your considerations, but Daphne if you aren't "hot enough for your rates" you must charge a lot.

mmm, hmm
things to reconsider.
Let's see what others have to say. Many won't like to be "discover" that they are not rich but save their pennies to go spend it on the weekend. Whatever.

I've had to save up for cosmetic surgery (and the downtime for when I couldn't work), took me several months almost a year, the waiting SUCKED but it was so worth it

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I looked at your website and your rates are no more than other providers I've seen.

If he never figured out how to do it until now (as he admits below) he never actually knew. Ergo he could not forget. Ergo, he is stupid.
You two really make this far too easy.

Awesome! I love Nashville 😍💖

Not once. The price is the price. If I can't afford it then I move on. If I don't find her attractive I move on.  Having said that, of course we've all done some math in our heads, e.g. would an hour with that person really be worth $$$? There's nothing wrong with that. Just keep it in your head.

"Cosmetic Surgery", I hope you're NOT telling us you used to be a man.  Lol

I know this, TER and the discussion boards in particular are far more fun and interesting when the ladies participate.
So mush better then having the various "Clicks" tell each other how stupid the other is.

🤦wtf no

Daphne,

Damn...all this over me being too fucking dumb to figure out how to edit my own posts....

I should say no one has recently said this to me, it's more what I've seen happen to other ladies on Twitter (they usually screen shot rude texts from wannabe mongers) saying they aren't hot enough and should lower their prices and it just baffles me. Last time it happened to me was several months ago, the man said I have a small ass and only women with a booty should charge my rates (no we didn't meet in person) I just laughed 😆

But being a hooker living by both your looks and your reputation does mean it's a bit more personal when your looks are insulted.

I did not start in the hobby until I was 52 after a divorce.  So I do not have as many years or ladies under my belt, as it were, as others.   However, I might as well chime in.

Just note who was helpful and who was useless and assume that pattern will continue into the future.

And he took it out on you. He's going off his standards of what HE feels should be the going rate in your market, also based on your profile and he applied to you, only vocally of course. Now. all guys have felt like this guy at one time or another, we just keep it to ourselves, have a inner giggle and move on. I'm sure not very many on this board have reacted the way this guy did.
You're probably not the only one he's bitched to so just consider the source.
I'm not going to tell you how to market yourself in your city, or the it's the your body your rate. You know the game and what's best.
But like you, I'm sure many a lady have heard from "That guy"...So shrug it off and don't sweat it.

Thanks babe 💖😘

I had a regular (Asian girl, believe it or not - lol) with a formerly flat rear that had butt implants.  They improved her look quite a bit, but felt hard to the touch.  They felt like the hard plastic thigh pads in a football uniform.  For that reason, I didn't much like them.  Now I'm content just to enjoy a flat butt.

"Visuals" are an important part of what we do, at least at the start. However, ...  
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My #2 ATF worked the NYC KMPs. It is normal to change "houses" frequently but I would watch the on-line ads and follow her from house to house. I must have seen 40 times (more?) over 2+ years. She had a physical flaw (bad teeth) that might turn away some guys upon first "GLANCE" but not me and the rest was amazing. I felt so comfortable with her. It was as if she could read my mind. Technically, it was not GFE "service" but it was GFE, emphasis on EXPERIENCE, in other ways, every time. (She was going to get implants but she got braces and dental care instead and looked beautiful afterwards: she went from a 7/8 to a 10, in my eyes.)  I do kind of miss her.  
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On another occasion, I visited an indy hostess. As things moved along and other things moved "off" I noticed that there was a bit, well, a lot, of cellulite. My big brain is going, "Oh no! In the photos, everything was so smooth and inviting! Help! This is going to ruin everything!" but I persevered. And it was an incredibly enjoyable experience. It had no effect on the rest of the session which was great.  
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Bottom line: we do start with the visuals, sometimes photoshopped visuals, but many times a physical "flaw" (and not all flaws are flaws - they are who we are!) is meaningless as far as the relationship, even a brief one, is concerned.

Why even contact a provider if you feel she is not attractive. Most smart men would just move on and don’t contact. Only jerk would say something to her. What she feels she worthy of comes down to many things not just looks.

I wouldn't do it.  
But you have to realize that some providers and people in general are not who they think they are.  
Some guys are more open mouthed and will say stuff without thinking it and thinking they are doing her a favor.  
I don't care about looks anymore. But I won't overpay either.

That could be why.. They have to Pay for It!  
Lol

It's just trolls. Whenever I got a slew of people doing it at one time, I knew ppl were ganging up on me, so I raised my rates $100 each time.

They just are messaging them and saying it to undercut the provider to get under their skin? Or to get a lower price?

But they're not saying it as a "helpful friend" they're saying "you aren't hot enough for your pricesz but I'll still see you for less" it's a pathetic attempt to get a discount

...that means that they are afraid that they cant handle that pussy and dont want 2 be laughed at... or im cheap,my last date blew me in an alley....i never question donations...i always tip...imo...ALL WOMEN ARE HOT!!...IN THERE OWN WAY...i want to meet the ones i fit...

"want to meet the ones you FIT", are you talking about big pussies or small ones.  Don't lie to us.  Lol

Hi hon no, there be no lies.

I agree with your post.
This is not an inexpensive hobby... and we all have women we are more attracted to than others... but...
Despite the high cost (even for “lower end”), guys need to adjust their thinking.
It’s heady stuff to pick through images of women to find one you will pay to fuck you.  Especially when you are just starting out.  It can start to give you a sense of entitlement.  “Hey, I’ve had better for less.”

and "cost vs quality" most definitely comes into play.

Exactly. Trying to get more value for your money buying a service is no objectification. It means you're being smart with your money and also not doing something you don't want to do.

The only difference in person is if the guy himself is ugly. Then you can follow him out, turn around and say, "Hey! This guy keeps calling me ugly. Should I have sex with him?" See what happens lol.

It’s simply obnoxious men trying to “chew” the price down! Period. I don’t give a shit about what other justification they might try to give ...

We all make the assessment of what we think is worth the money.  But unlike in these other situations where it’s completely fine to directly express our opinion about the perceived lack of value in pricing to the seller of goods or services... it’s a real dick move to say this to an escort when it relates to her looks.

If a girl is advertised outside of your price range we need to move on!! IF she isn't worth the advertised rate she won't get it.  

and NO, this is not like a fancy sports car or pricey bottle of booze. Ok, maybe it's like a pricey bottle of booze. lol A sports car is a tangible item with a residual value after you are done with it. A bottle of booze, unless of course you are a collector/investor with an eye for resale someday, is a consumable item. You pay a thousand bucks for it, sip on it for a while, enjoy the taste and are left simply with the memory, The same goes for hookers. lol

Just because!

How did I miss this post of yours? And don't say  "You were drunk" especially because it's true.

ACTUALLY I'm fucking on vacation, again. For some fucking reason they keep letting me have my fucking time off. And yes, I am drunk, so fuck you! lol!  

entertaining and contains some statements its hard to disagree with.  Lol

Then this isn't the business for you. It is self explanatory.

Perhaps that's why they're so in demand?

This is a unique way to complain about prices.  Are you suggesting they use promotional programs like punch cards (fuck her nine times and the tenth one is free), or student discount Tuesdays (student ID gets a discount), queer Thursdays (where they  do fisting on gay men), of stroking Sundays (handjobs only at a deep discount)????

I'm a big fan of promotional pricing.  Everyone else does it.  Must be for a reason.

in a more serious tone . . . . . .  What "market principles" are you referring to?  Please enlighten us as to what market principles YOU believe lend themselves to this biz.  Is there anything else besides "knowing what their slow days are", which is pretty basic.  

You have a lot to learn about marketing.

that I was a regular with for a period of time, and she fell into the trap you describe.  Her rate was $450 on her website, but she ran into a slow period where she lost a few regulars, so she ran "an introductory special" for new customers at $350.  Predictably, her regulars were up in arms about her lack of loyalty to her regulars, so rather than have them leave, she permanently lowered her rates to $350.  Many girls don't think marketing consequences through.  

Introductory rates don't play well to small markets.  But a seasonal special applies to all.  So I don't think that would raise the same objections.  Some charge less based on circumstances ... one regular poster here cuts $50 for advanced booking.  Some cut for outcall (I presume this is the case where they would otherwise have to get a hotel.)
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There are all kinds of incentive pricing that can be done without alienating regulars.  

Wow that is a lot of fucking! Lol

I can't fucking help my fucking self some fucking times. Fuck me. Fucking literally!...

You're right. If you drive a Pinto why are you looking at Ferraris? Well, anyone can dream. But you have to be realistic. Fuck.

Seriously, thats what it is.  It's not you, he is bargaining and honestly it works with some providers especially during....oh, 2020.

Why do guys even bother taking the time to contact a provider and tell them what they should or shouldn't do? If she is out of your price range, simply find someone who is! Putting a provider down or trying to make them feel bad about themselves wont work and it wont get you in good with her!

I have only told one provider that her (new) price was too high for me to return to being a regular. And only because she reached out and asked why she hadn’t seen me.  

Yikes, gross

Beyond the marketing consequences, there's often a psychological aspect as well.  When a provider is young and hot - rates are high and life is good.  Add some years or maybe some weight, or in the case of your regular - a marketing mishap, and the rates come down.   For most,  a bitterness aspect sets in as well.  It's like the summer union job.  You're making $30 / hr. while all of your buddies are making $10 / hr.  But the union gig has a 3 month probationary period.  About 85 days later, the union job is gone and you end up working with your buddies for $10 / hr.  Now you're pissed and most likely never happy with $10 / hr. (example and amounts are figurative).   Hard to think we don't see this vibe at times on these boards.

like a good way for her to insure she gets Saturdays off without having to turn anyone down.  

Its a term of endearment.  If you read enough threads on this board, you will find some of the ladies who are long-time posters here use it as well. Its not meant in a derogatory way the majority of the time.  Its just a description.  Many guys don't like that term, "provder," because they associate it more with their medical quacks, so it comes with a negative meaning from other usage.  We all love hookers and see it as a positive term.    

Personally, I think you are plenty hot.  However, like it has been stated, guys have a monetary threshold when it comes to providers.  I am totally guilty of the following thought process:

Some of them are clearly meant to be offensive like "prostitute" or "whore", some of them are excessively effusive like "goddess" or "courtesan"  

Physical & mental connection is needed in my old age lol Smile 4 me! I have female providers that want to do duos & if I am not attracted, then why waste anyone's time, or money? The trolling of males who post the crap of being to high prices with low looks is disgusting. I highly doubt they would be, so quick to judge anyone outside of this hobby lifestyle.  

Men are visual creatures and what we say in private about the looks of women is a thousand times harsher than anything you will read in a review. We are QUICKER to judge women who won't sleep with us for money than we are women we can actually have, how you don't know this is beyond me.

There is no doubt you are entitled to see whom you want to.  But I  am struck by the comment about how men judge women here vs. in the real world. That of course is the fundamental reason men are here--this is not the real world.  We are here living out a fantasy. I have no problem admitting that 51% of the women I've seen in this world are much better looking than women I've slept with ITRW, and many of them did stuff most civvies I've seen refused even to consider. So of course this different world has different rules.  As long as we all know the rules, that's all we can ask.

Women are actually  harsher judgements of men's looks than men are of women's looks.  Most women think 80% of men are unattractive.  Most men think 50% of women are unattractive -- the normal bell curve.

Not sure if I did this right.