And people wonder why I use condoms for everything...

The rest of you, but this sure makes me want to start using condoms!!!

1/4 of the men tested have HPV.  These come and go so at one time or another it could be half of all men or some other number. This also occurs in women of course and comes and goes.  
I am absolutely in favor of vaccinating young people and maybe even people of all ages BUT before we panic, let us consider the relatively rarity of these cancers. This should suggest the the danger of being exposed may not be as great as we tend to think.
In some studies, the majority of Americans who have hypertension do not have it controlled, 1/4 of American smoke, etc.  These are very dangerous things.  
I am not belittling any risk, but these studies make it sound like every time one has skin to skin contact with someone he/she is spinning a big oral/throat cancer wheel without understanding if spinning that wheel gives you a 10% chance of getting this very unpleasant and at times deadly cancer or a 1% or a .0001%. chance.

Each one of us has our own level of risk tolerance, some higher than others. I know people who died in car accidents but that doesn't keep me from driving.

Giving up sex because your neighbor has too many children. I'm not giving up DATY for anyone. It's why ladies want me to come back. Lol

And I always thought it was because of the envelope.

Condoms do NOT prevent HPV

I've watched many people succumb to cancer.  But I still smoke.  Also, Dr. Joe is a doctor in real life.  If he doesn't see a high rate of the cancers the article is referring to, then, as he says, they are quite rare.  Living in fear is no way to live a productive life.

Perhaps you can't see the forest for the trees. If you want to be a Chicken Little, that's your right, and it's our right to put the real risk into proper perspective.

Opens the door, but does not get you OTC time unless you're throwing money at her like a drunken sailor.  DATY skills often prompts a girl to offer OTC time, either by going significantly overtime during a session or as a separate date.  Some will, some won't. It depends on your skill level and how much she likes DATY.  

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Comeback to this from opposing viewpoints.

why are they accused of being an 'alarmist'?

Chicken Little wanted to justify her reasons for offering "covered services only" and to get the rest of us on that particular bandwagon by claiming the sky is falling.  

The wizard is a mind reader as well.

for you to stop posting here no matter what you use for a reason.  If I have trouble sleeping at night, I just start reading your posts.  

I contracted throat cancer from DATY with a number of different providers. I have no idea which one it was and will never know. I went through surgery, radiation, and chemo...it was a nightmare but it did save my life. Like most people, I never gave it much thought, assumed the risk was small, and didn't worry about it much. It has been a year since my last radiation treatment and although I'm considered "cured" I'm still not back to 100% and likely never will be. I haven't seen a provider since then but have started to think about it again...not sure I will ever DATY again, I couldn't imagine repeating the ordeal I went through. I'm not suggesting that anyone change doing what they enjoy but thought you might find it interesting to hear from someone who's been there and back.

I'm sorry you went thru all that.
But you never thought to look where you licked?
They are warts after all. Granted some are very small but they're there

He doesn't have any greater clue to the motives of others than any of us do.  

Ever heard of an "asymptomatic carrier?"  Most HPV is asymptomatic.  Also, the CDC warns that if you have multiple partners (5 or more), you WILL be carrying HPV.  That means that everyone in the hobby (providers and clients both) are carrying this virus.  But most of us aren't going to get cancer from it.

Doctor appointment next week and I WILL get HPV Gardasil vacine. Why would I NOT do this? End of story.

We all know of that 90`s  very popular male Hollywood actor who told one the London tabloids that he got his throat cancer from eating pussy! We all laughed at him. After reading all these posts, guess what, he could be right. For me getting this vaccine is a total no brainer"
Back in 1977 a leading upscale university in the Northeast Corridor came very to shutting down its entire campus because of an epidemic of venereal warts. Had a good buddy enrolled there who clued me in.  

Condoms don't always protect against HPV since it can appear in areas of the genitals that are not covered by condoms. Thankfully, a vaccine was created not long ago that protects against contracting many common strains of HPV. Even though HPV is generally harmless (just unsightly), as a provider or client, I would definitely recommend getting the vaccine, as well as getting tested for STD's regularly

Dude,

HPV is NOT harmless to women
It generally moves into cervical dysplasia and often cervical cancer follows that.

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False. I majored in med lab technology, so I'm fairly educated in STD's, STI's, ect. Only a few strains of HPV can lead to cervical cancer in women. These are not very common strains, but they are out there. The vaccine (Gardasil) was specifically created to prevents these cancer causing strains, plus a few of the strains that can cause unsightly warts.

Better go back and study again.
I didn't major in it, I operated the lasers that removed the warts.  
Have done hundreds of them.

Thx for posting it.
As guys we need to look before we lick, so to speak 😷
But women have other concerns when dealing with HPV.  

Yikes, rude much? I'm not trying to start a fight or deter individuals from getting vaccinated; I'm just stating the facts. I did a little searching on the web before posting to make sure that I was remembering it correctly from school; I linked one of the articles below if you'd like to browse over it.