I know it has been mentioned before on here. But just reminder. Providers are in the sex worker business, not the friendship business. They are not your friend but a business partner at best.
There is no "one size fits all" way to navigate this lifestyle. I have become RW friends with several SWs. I never expect friendship, and it is rare, but it does happen.
It's the truth
Which is the truth: Nailit or RR?
It's the truth
She replied to RR's post.
I take off points for lack of clarity: "It's the truth." WHAT'S the truth?
Is it an approving "RR speaks the truth" agreeing with RR's view of client-Provider friendships?
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Is it a reprimanding, "No RR, nailit speaks the truth and the APPEARANCE of friendship in a client - Provider relationship isn't (is not EVER?) real friendship."?
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What is the "it" in "It's the truth."?
She replied to RR's post.
The question is with whom? LoL.
I agree with you here. I was thinking the same thing. What’s the truth?
It?
IT can be just as tricky a word as IS is. Just ask slick Willy, he’ll tell you!
Your questions about what is the truth reminded me of something.
Best guess: the OP is talking to himself.
you can truly be friends with a small circle. But given the type of exchange, I wouldn’t give more to someone than he was able to give to me. What I dislike, is a sense of obligation on my private time: I once was in an exclusive arrangement and I always felt on edge that I needed to return a text immediately: he paid for my life. But my life was both broadened and limited by the relationship. We were most certainly friends. For years. But I find the freedom of being independent is worth a lot to me. I imagine a lot of women appreciate their time when they don’t need to be on point and charming - they would want the freedom to exchange with a client/friend when it meets her schedule. That’s my reality of paid companionship & friendship. Xo Sydney
@ nailit You can be friends with SPs but it'll not be free..she'll hit you up for money when she's in need. Since you are her friend, you are obligated to help her. Sky is the limit. She needs yo to buy her a car, pay her mortgage, buy her a house.
It really sounds like you don't. The only thing I am obligated to is to be her friend, which I have done on a handful of occasions. I have never bought any of them a car or a house. I have paid for lunches and dinners on occasion, but that is more of a traditional guy/girl dynamic, than it is client/provider one. I can't speak to your experiences but mine are totally different than the ones you speak of.
If you're actually nice to girls and have a decent sense of humor they tend to warm up to you. I never did it to seek a relationship but several happened. I've done more off-the-clock dinners with girls than I can count and some were truly memorable.
If you resist putting them on a pedestal and just treat them like civvie girls, long friendships are possible, and some even turn into real-life girlfriends. A sense of humor and a quick wit DO go a long way with smarter providers. Disingenuous fawning and pandering is a turnoff for most. Mongers would do well to leave their list of gratuitous compliments at home and just be themselves, unless of course, they are boring as hell, in which case, just try to keep them awake while you're talking. Lol (None of this is directed to you, just some general advice on the topic for those that may wonder how some of us get OTC dates, which are often at the suggestion of the provider who wants a break from the same old shit.)
When you become friends do you continue seeing them as providers or does the business relationship end? Have you ever remained friends after you stopped seeing them as a provider?
I do continue to see them as providers but there is a clear distinction; it is either a paid date or a platonic one, as we don't mix the two. Paid dates involve sex, platonic ones are just that i.e. only lunches, dinners, movies, etc with no bedroom time. Outside of some very rare instances, I always treat for the platonic dates but to me, again, that is more attributable to the male/female dynamic and less to do with client/provider, if that makes sense.
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Yes to the second question. Some girls pop in and out of retirement and some I have become close to no longer provide but we still remain friends. It's been a total of 4 women I became very close to, and a few others I would describe as more cyber friends i.e. email/text pen pals and phone calls, as we dont live near each other anymore or we never did as they were touring girls I would see whenever they came to town.
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I think the issue some allude to is can you really be friends while only doing compensated time for every meet up or contact? I would say no, that isnt real friendship. That is pay for play. That doesn't mean you cant become close, you can, but per my definition of the word "friends" means it is doing certain things totally off the clock.
I feel equipped to answer this as well. I have two providers that I’m very friendly with, and I’ve had the opportunity of seeing both of them non-transactionally while also still maintaining a client-provider relationship.
Am I their friend? Maybe, but being a client takes priority over any platonic (non-transactional) relationship we may have. It’s understood by both sides, and it works.
On the other hand there was one girl I had been seeing almost weekly at one point, tons of overnights, dinners, and long talks. I became very close, and established a strong trust with her. Eventually she ended our client-provider relationship, but was open to seeing me beyond the P4P scene. While she surely appreciated my business, I believe the move had a lot to do about respect and that as we became friends— it became harder to take money from me.
I suppose my point is that for me at least, I only felt like more than a client (or a friend) when I was no longer engaging as just any other customer.
We've also just learned from reliable sources that Water Is Wet!
I think if you do this enough (client and provider) you'll eventually / naturally make a good friend or 2. I know I have. 2 in particular actually. We have a good connection, we know what each other is "doing" obviously and just good chemistry.
It's a perk really!
I value the friends I've made as they are more than just an off the clock meeting or dinner. That's not necessarily friendship but just an extension or addition of the paid meeting.
It's been a great thing for me to make some real friendships as a bonus!
Do tell
Never trust the ones who say they love you or call you a friend. These ladies are master manipulators.
I agree with the other post that suggested there might be some back story here. Otherwise I kind of agree with helixir that this is more like letting us know water is wet.
Is your mechanic your friend? Is your stock broker or investment advisor your friend? Your doctor or (in case this might apply) your minister or priest? How about co-workers? What about those fair weather friends of yours? They get called friend but are they really what you think of when thinking of friend.
Friend is such a broad term I don't think it really helps with whatever the OP was supposed to be arning against.
On that aspect, who thinks:
1) This was about money given to a "friend" who was going to pay it back?
2) This was about thinking a business relationship was more than that -- someone is falling in "love" is a provider and feeling jilted when it was not returned (and perhaps appointments are no longer possible)? Maybe can tone that down to just thought we were friends but cannot even get an OTC dinner and drinks with not expectations of more case.
3) Perhaps some breach of confidence that was shared with the provider than then that gosip was shared with other providers or mongers?
4) Building on 3, perhaps shared information that was then used to extract some payments?
Those are the four general area I can think of so if someone wants to add feel free.
I think you're spot on about brokers etc part
But why assume stuff from this short post? I don't understand how you assume four concrete things just off that post. Not targeting you or anything, but I think it's just too many assumptions and they are based on nothing.
It literally could be anything, from something deeply personal to something extremely impersonal.
Just like any other profession, it's possible they could become your friend but probably its not going to happen.
It's not a bad or a good thing either, it just is. It's a business relationship. Just because service sold is sexual doesn't make for intimacy or friendship outside of business.
I'd imagine people who love to "network" would be more inclined to make providers friends (or acquaintances because typically friends is a very small circle imo).
But yeah it's simple. Provider doesn't owe you anything outside of session and vice versa. This is why I'm always flabbergasted if providers get jealous of clients seeing other girls. Like, if Im paying for sex why would I only see one woman? Lol, anyway...
friendship with sex. Most friendships aren’t sexual.
I know from experience that it’s possible to have a friendship (non-sexual) with a provider. I don’t expect it’s common, but it happens. People are people and can form friendships regardless of their professions and regardless of whether there’s a client/provider relationship.
I never said it can't happen tho? Literally said it's possible but not likely.
My point was that it seems many think because they had many sessions together they can extend that friendship beyond the biz. And that's not really true. It all depends on both sides. Like Zeel has said.
So not sure why you’d say it is. That’s a business relationship, plain and simple. A friendship goes way beyond having sessions together. And it obviously it depends on both parties.
Sorry, I misspoke, my fault. I meant "to extend that biz relationship to friendship" .
Hope that clears it up 
Personally, I never really want to extend it and also I see almost exclusively kgirls nowadays. I've tried once when I had feelings for a girl back in the day when I was visiting storefront amps and I that just didnt end well.
Personally, I like the "nut and leave" style.
Interesting how this thread which seemed to suggest providers shouldn't be seen as possible friends, became a discussion on how they actually can be in some instances. That said, it takes two to want that in a relationship. I'm guessing the OP does not and had a client that wanted differently. I think it is important to respect what each wants. Some providers and some clients never want to cross that line. Being honest, I am a client who is not looking nor wants a friendship with a provider I am seeing.
Once I am paying for sex, for me, that is the only relationship we can have. It would be too confusing to attempt to change this dynamic, even if it was situational. In some ways, this goes back to my teenage like sex drive. If we had a meal together or went to a movie or anything else of the sort, I would probably want to have sex. I just couldn't help myself. So to have a platonic date with a provider I already had sex with, well it just would lead to disappointment.
On the flip side, if I never paid for sex and somehow we crossed paths and clicked and started a platonic friendship, maybe I would be okay with it. This is not much different than how I am with any other women. Once we are dating and having sex, I can't go backwards, stop dating, stop having sex, but still spend time doing friend stuff with them. We have already crossed my point of no return. But if we establish ourselves as just friends and stay that way from start to finish, it works well.
When I lived in NY I saw a provider in Westchester a bunch of times. She came to trust me pretty quickly and told me her whole life story. Over time she and I became friends. At one point I told her that I felt uncomfortable seeing her in a provider-client way because I came to regard her as kind of a younger sister. She thought that was cute and even though I've moved away we still see each other when I visit NY and she even let me stay in her apartment instead of getting a hotel if I'm up there alone (air mattress in the living room lol). We talk on the phone and text quite a bit too.
She did try a tour down in Tyson's once and one day she didn't take any appointments and we spent the day doing tourist stuff and had dinner. Hung out in her hotel until it was time for me to go. She got a little silly at one point and ended up giving me a BJ. It was better than any she had given me when I paid her lol. Other than that we 've been very close friends - probably 5 years now.
