Just wondering---what kind of continued support if at all do you gentlemen extend when you know one of your favorite providers
has had an LE experience.  What are your concerns if any?

I don't see too many providers giving out freebies just because a guy really needs it but doesn't have the cash.  I don't exactly think that a providers "LE experience", as you so eloquently put it, is my responsibility.  If she is a smart girl, she will take some of that money that she makes from her clients and put it away in an emergency fund for any such "LE experience" that may arise.

It happened to me.

Without going into detail, here are some of my thoughts at the time.

1. She must think we're more than just client/provider.

2. Forget #1. She must just be really desperate.

3. It's really sad. She doesn't have any real friends to turn to. Who can she turn to anyway without letting them know what she does.

4. 2K is not that much. She'll pay me back in no time. But she might expect help again every time she's in trouble.

5. She is not even a permanent resident. She could get deported. And I would miss her.

6. Could she be co-operating with LE. She is young and may be that naive. (I was a newbie at this hobby and naive too. So this scared me a little.)

I decided best way I could help was to see her as often as possible until she was out of financial trouble.
Anyway, everything turned out well. We still see each other.

I agree with Zorro.  Let's turn the original question around:  if a client gets busted, what kind of support can he expect from a provider?  That's what I thought.

I think it may be genetic. All women (escorts or not) have absolutely no problem asking for money from a man. Yet who among us have ever asked for money from a woman.

Back when I was going full blast in the pulic works construction. I, like all other successful contractors I knew, took a certain percent of profits and put it into a contigency fund for "rainy Days",. Believe me there were more that one day that it "Poured".

I would hope that none of you guys think these women are your girlfriends.  While some of them are truly nice there no question about it.  But, we must face facts, that if they were busted they would give us up in a heartbeat if they could make a deal with LE to keep their nose clean.  I had a friend get set up by a provider who was busted by LE  all told she busted 12 johns that day.

As far as money goes, its almost impossible for me to think that providers are short on cash,  if you do the math they make a ton of money compared to most of us.  I'm talking about 6 figure incomes here, if they really wanted to.  

One other thing you guys might want to know that if they are busted the max that they will spend is 3 days in jail before they go in front of a court where he will let them go and set up a trial date for them later down the road.  However if you run an escort ring its a different story.  Otherwise the courts treat escort the same as they would treat a street walker.

Now why does this look suspiciously like an HBXXX question?

Gosh guys I really ask my question poorly.  I was in no way suggesting you give $$$ without service.  Do you still go and see her?  If so what are your concerns?  And no this is not the beautiful Heather Barron behind this.....In response to the turn in to the LE (to save ones back side) our clients--the provider must be some very uncreative individual who didn't set herself up to cover these concerns and to protect her clients originally.  Have you ever talked about this with a fav provider to have a set plan in the event a mishap occurs.  LE will come in and dig thru trash and pick-up things they have no right to than LIE.  What if your number and name was there because you just called to make an appointment?  Providers make sure on all new appointments your desk is clear of this stuff, your address system totally closed out and shredd paper by hand or with regular shredder.  This can and will happen and the best recourse is a pre-set plan.  I try to safeguard my clients but shit happens to the best of us.  The first thing to remember guys is this is American and you have a right to have associations with whomever you please regardless of their line of work.  They only know what you tell them.  It's nobodies business and unless someone is flashing some legal looking paper you are under no obligation to respond to such lines of questions. You should be upset because it's an invasion of your privacy and let them know that!  Hopefully this will clarify my original question.  Get some dialogue going with your provider so you are on the same page if you see mostly the same providers.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Well forgive me Jetta, but for someone who hasn't posted here before, it didn't take you long to figure out that HBXXX is the "beautiful" Heather Barron....mmmmm.  Interesting choice of words.

I think all providers refer to each other as "beautiful."  After all, aren't we, the "hobbist", all gents?  (grin)  ahah...  LOL

Jetta,

I feel that if one of my all time favorites, has run afoul of LE or any other catstraphoe that this world can throw in our direction, as a human being it's my duty to be there for that person.  Whether it be non-session lunches, phone calls, hand holding, a shoulder to cry on, and all the TLC I can muster, then that's what I would do.  This person is not only one of my all time favs. but a friend, and that's what we do for our friends.

In the case of a Bust?  Fortunately, we have available a great friend in levendi who can guide us in the proper direction when it comes to the legal details.  I would immediatetly seek out his council.

In respect to future sessions, being a regular, I'm already familar with her prices and services, so those details, should never come into play.  They never did prior to her arrest, one of my rules, "Never discuss money or acts.  Just do it."  The session would take place as usual, and at the conclusion I would leave her a greeting card to read later.  I see know reason to be suspicious or paranoid.  

But, if she wanted to go into the details of the session or discuss gifts prior to the session?  I would simply excuse myself, and it would be the last she would ever see of me, and the greeting cards.  I would know that she was flipped.

What I described above came from an actual experience, but I didn't know levendi then, the rest of the details were left out for obvious reasons.  Yes, she still gets greeting cards.

Overall, one shouldn't run away from someone that they've established a relationship with.  You take the good and the bad.
You offer whatever support that you as an individual feel you can offer, you definately don't run away.

G.

who was recently arrested in the San Diego area this matter is of much more than theoretical importance for me.  I shall do my best to live up to the standard you have set.

Nothing to look at folks, move along.

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As I know not who you are you are wrong to assume I have never posted here before.  The names have recently been realigned and I chose to take on a new name.  You seem to have some animosity towards Heather not sure why but you really shouldn't take a post and assume it belongs to anyone else other than who posted it.  I have never had the pleasure of meeting Heather--her posts are delightful, her site shows a beautiful women--and a couple of e-mails I had with her about a situation I was experiencing I found to be caring.  She is beautiful based on what I know thus far. So thanks for throwing off the thread when I was trying to get some seriously needed insight.  Now if you would like to come out of mild attack mode you might look at my modified post and respond as I'm sure your insight would be enlightening.

As usual your posts are full of insightful wisdom and unconditional regard.  I hope I will have the pleasure of meeting you one day.

Exactly right--the flip to this is that many providers have been there for their clients in time of economic hardship, loss of a family member, a job loss, break-up in a marriage, etc. Some of my most heartfelt moments were shared where no money changed hands.  I sat with my friends and held their hand, their head against my shoulder as they tried to get through the grieving process after the loss of a loved one.  Some of my long standing
clients I have taken checks from and held until they were in a better position in a week--I've extended credit--- yes I've loaned money--yes I've had some of this go sour...my rule is to never extend myself past what I can afford to never get back...

G2,

I really meant to thank you for your help, I never would have made it without you. Was that Organza Chem right??

                Luvn' huggz, Chrissie

Granted it's easy for some of us pathetic loser types, as some of our more macho brothers would call us, to fall for the damsel in distress routine.  Yes, there are oportunistic individuals out there, but that doesn't mean that we forget those that are real to us, when they are in need.

Since there are no dragons around to slay, and we live in LA, so there are very few puddles around in which we can lay our coats over, so said damsel may cross the street.  What is left for us to do?  Go out and find a real nice girl that I can take home to MOM!!!

1. My 1st relationship, left because I was always stoned.  Good reason, I screwed up.  The only one I wish, I hadn't screwed up.

2. My 2nd relationship used me to get her away from her parents, and fund her modeling career, buy her dope for her and her girlfriends.  What could I do Blonde, 5'11" 36D-24-36.  I was a sucker.

3. My 3rd relationship used me so she could move to San Francsico, set-up a cute little English Tudor House on the Peninsula.  Ended up marrying her 1st cousin.  I hear her second kid is a hell of a banjo player.

4. My 4th relationship used me to get her husband to respond to her, and help her raise her daughter, so she could persue her career.

Give me a break, I don't think you have to be a provider to play the damsel in distress role.  In fact, the straight girls are much better at it then you think, the only class of women that is better at the manipulation game are strippers.  If some of you guys think providers look at you as ATM's in pants, you should check out a Spearmint Rhino, you're freak'n Fort Knox with the doors open.  That sucking noise ain't no CBJ or BBBJ that's the sound of Benjamins being fleeced from your pockets.

As I told my nephew, after his mother divorsed his father after 20 years, and left him without a pot to piss in, "The day I gave up on looking for Miss Right, and started seeing providers, is the day I started to save money."

So, I think I'll take my chances with those sneeky providers that use and abuse me.  At least they make me forget about items 1-4. And they've never told me that they have a headache either.  Reminds me of Young Frankenstein, "Taffeta, darling, taffeta." LOL

Seriously, it's not that we are dweebs, or gulible, when we show that we value a provider for more than the release that they give us.  That we see them as a part of our own life experience, and appreciated and recognize them as we would any close friend. That we value and respect their input, and see that we have become better men from the encounter.  For that, we offer whatever assistance may be within our realm to give.  We do it because it's the right thing to do, to help another human being.

So, going back to the original hypothetical post, I believe, Jetta was directing it in a "What if your favorite got busted?" scenerio. But I know that you guys realize that and were only looking out for the rest of us.

Thanks alot for thinking of us, and giving me the chance to stand on one of my favorite soap box topics.  "Respecting your provider as you want to be respected."  There are newbies and straights lurking, so it's good that they see that there are other aspects to this hobby, other than flames and puntang.  Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Peace,

G. ;->>

Gandalf,

 I was just kidding ,but you're right.

The question is one of shared risk for shared benefit.People always ask me what the heck am I doing here? I am here to learn what really goes on beyond the obvious. I haved learned quit a bit in 6 months.

 All the participants are playing the same game, but at different levels. Different levels of intimacy, different levels of commitment(to the game)and a different perspective on what it means to win at the game. "Fool around and fell in love" is a song, but isn't it true sometimes?

Yes Gandalf, I too have fallen for that "Blonde
         
        Chrissie

Now I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but that doesn't make too much sense.

I think that most wise providers and veterans of this business tend forge relationships with clients. Certain relationships, such as with a lawyer or a doctor, are proably done that way. (that is why Dad always told you to study hard!)
I am sure there is a certain amount of bartering going around with those that might not be just looking for the Benjamins but looking for some sort of infra-structure and it proably exisits to some degree.
Some providers proably have cash stashed quietly. Some proably have working relationships with other professionals in which they have "retainers". It is the nature of things.
Being that I am not a professional (ie lawyer, doctor, accountant) I really prefer the cash route. Simple and direct.
As for helping a provider, sure I got no problem with that. But the kind of help they are looking for, I think I am not in the right category.

Well it seems that your question has shown us both the Light side and the not so light side of the TER community.  It also has opened the window that shows what level of connection can occur in the relationship between provider and customer.

My response in the case you propose, well I am assuming by favorite you mean what would be my "favorite" and this means to me someone who I have connected at a level more than "getting naked".

If the connection is meaningful and we share moments of friendship and compassion then the response is to help as I would a friend.  Financial, emotional, or whatever is needed and however it is needed.  But being aware that LE is involved and may have compromised the relationship, as that is possibly their mission in this scenario.  But if the connection is there; then I know that only one part of the relationship can be compromised.

If the connection is at a lesser level then I guess you can get a mix of self-defense, help where I can, and my favorite restaurant closing.  A railing against the damnable luck and making sure I am protected and doing what I can.

For those who claim the mantle of realist I remind you that this is my thought and in no way do I claim universality and also it once was said that the only thing you can get out of a dance is what you bring in and I admit I tend to bring more than I should to the dance.

--JP

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Shoulda read it yesterday.



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Thank you for that. Your post expressed my feelings much better than I could ever have written.

During my experience, I felt that I was lucky to hear of her trouble directly from her as opposed to finding out the hard way like during a bust. At least I was given a chance to be on guard.

I also hope that providers realize that they are in for a rough period after they are done with LE where they have to lay low for awhile. There will be no new clients and many regulars that hear of the news would be keeping a distance. Perhaps this is extra incentive for keeping all clients safe from LE.

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As to your assessment to the financials you are very correct.  I have been building a revenue model for the business (based on discussion with the ladies) and no it is not the Gold Rush that some loud mouths would have you believe especially in LA with the Cost of Living issues.

Just a side note.

--JP

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I do think it is rather humorous that guys do put a guy veiw on a female franchise. These women are not guys, people.
In our eyes, we think of these people as "turn and burn". The reality is most of these girls proably see one or two clients a day, deal with at least 15 to 20 phone calls which are no gos, might have kids in the background and deal with, out of the two or three concrete leads they get, a cancellation or two.
These women are not strippers, that do a 1-2 minute song for twenty bucks and move onto the next one. They deal with bad breath, wondering if the next guy is LE or worse, someone they barely know walking into their space expecting them to worship this guy for the next 1-2 hours or more when in actually this guy could not get them look at him at a bar.
What I am saying is, granted it is a business but your are looking through guy's eyes, not a woman's.

Sorry but,I have a hard time feeling sorry for providers that do not save some of their money. I know I may seem hard nosed, but this is a business and must be run as such. I know a provider that appears on the review board periodically, but is not what you would call one of the "top 10", and she told me that she has been grossing an average of $5000 per week since she started 8 months ago. Now that is not "chicken feed" folks...Granted she is seeing at least 3 guys per day 5 days a week and a couple on the weekend, that is not an unreasonable amount of time spent for the return..This provider is putting a bunch of cash away, and I say Hooray for her! More ought to do the same

You didn't miss much, sorry to waste everybody's time.

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The average American saves only about 2% of their income (on a 25-year average data set).  The average American small business saves in cash reserves 4.3%.  I assume we should expect better of the ladies than being like the rest of us.  Also the provider you note is unusual from the data I am gathering in her income level.  This is like noting because there are several hobbyists with two comma incomes that really all of us have that high an income.  One example does not a trend make.

I understand your point and that is Ladies "SAVE YOUR CUTE LITTLE TUSHIES OFF" and I support you on this point but then we should also include the realities of the business and of life and not the myths and assumptions that tend to run rampant.

And the reality is that many of the ladies are not making the big money that some people assume.  Factors such as markets, family commitments, etc... all can lower the income level.  I have heard numbers as large as two commas --please.  No most are making much less – much, much less--of course they do gain in autonomy and flexibility and as one lady said most beautifully “ I get to talk to men about their lives and not just business” but theses are assets that don't show up on the balance sheet or in the mortgage payment.

So before we start to say or act on the assumption of "no they don't deserve a break because they are making a fortune" we should rethink that because the numbers just do not add up.

--JP

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