I would hope that none of you guys think these women are your girlfriends. While some of them are truly nice there no question about it. But, we must face facts, that if they were busted they would give us up in a heartbeat if they could make a deal with LE to keep their nose clean. I had a friend get set up by a provider who was busted by LE all told she busted 12 johns that day.
As far as money goes, its almost impossible for me to think that providers are short on cash, if you do the math they make a ton of money compared to most of us. I'm talking about 6 figure incomes here, if they really wanted to.
One other thing you guys might want to know that if they are busted the max that they will spend is 3 days in jail before they go in front of a court where he will let them go and set up a trial date for them later down the road. However if you run an escort ring its a different story. Otherwise the courts treat escort the same as they would treat a street walker.
Just wondering---what kind of continued support if at all do you gentlemen extend when you know one of your favorite providers
has had an LE experience. What are your concerns if any?
I don't see too many providers giving out freebies just because a guy really needs it but doesn't have the cash. I don't exactly think that a providers "LE experience", as you so eloquently put it, is my responsibility. If she is a smart girl, she will take some of that money that she makes from her clients and put it away in an emergency fund for any such "LE experience" that may arise.
I agree with Zorro. Let's turn the original question around: if a client gets busted, what kind of support can he expect from a provider? That's what I thought.
I think it may be genetic. All women (escorts or not) have absolutely no problem asking for money from a man. Yet who among us have ever asked for money from a woman.
Back when I was going full blast in the pulic works construction. I, like all other successful contractors I knew, took a certain percent of profits and put it into a contigency fund for "rainy Days",. Believe me there were more that one day that it "Poured".
It happened to me.
Without going into detail, here are some of my thoughts at the time.
1. She must think we're more than just client/provider.
2. Forget #1. She must just be really desperate.
3. It's really sad. She doesn't have any real friends to turn to. Who can she turn to anyway without letting them know what she does.
4. 2K is not that much. She'll pay me back in no time. But she might expect help again every time she's in trouble.
5. She is not even a permanent resident. She could get deported. And I would miss her.
6. Could she be co-operating with LE. She is young and may be that naive. (I was a newbie at this hobby and naive too. So this scared me a little.)
I decided best way I could help was to see her as often as possible until she was out of financial trouble.
Anyway, everything turned out well. We still see each other.
I would hope that none of you guys think these women are your girlfriends. While some of them are truly nice there no question about it. But, we must face facts, that if they were busted they would give us up in a heartbeat if they could make a deal with LE to keep their nose clean. I had a friend get set up by a provider who was busted by LE all told she busted 12 johns that day.
As far as money goes, its almost impossible for me to think that providers are short on cash, if you do the math they make a ton of money compared to most of us. I'm talking about 6 figure incomes here, if they really wanted to.
One other thing you guys might want to know that if they are busted the max that they will spend is 3 days in jail before they go in front of a court where he will let them go and set up a trial date for them later down the road. However if you run an escort ring its a different story. Otherwise the courts treat escort the same as they would treat a street walker.
Now why does this look suspiciously like an HBXXX question?
Gosh guys I really ask my question poorly. I was in no way suggesting you give $$$ without service. Do you still go and see her? If so what are your concerns? And no this is not the beautiful Heather Barron behind this.....In response to the turn in to the LE (to save ones back side) our clients--the provider must be some very uncreative individual who didn't set herself up to cover these concerns and to protect her clients originally. Have you ever talked about this with a fav provider to have a set plan in the event a mishap occurs. LE will come in and dig thru trash and pick-up things they have no right to than LIE. What if your number and name was there because you just called to make an appointment? Providers make sure on all new appointments your desk is clear of this stuff, your address system totally closed out and shredd paper by hand or with regular shredder. This can and will happen and the best recourse is a pre-set plan. I try to safeguard my clients but shit happens to the best of us. The first thing to remember guys is this is American and you have a right to have associations with whomever you please regardless of their line of work. They only know what you tell them. It's nobodies business and unless someone is flashing some legal looking paper you are under no obligation to respond to such lines of questions. You should be upset because it's an invasion of your privacy and let them know that! Hopefully this will clarify my original question. Get some dialogue going with your provider so you are on the same page if you see mostly the same providers. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
Well forgive me Jetta, but for someone who hasn't posted here before, it didn't take you long to figure out that HBXXX is the "beautiful" Heather Barron....mmmmm. Interesting choice of words.
I think all providers refer to each other as "beautiful." After all, aren't we, the "hobbist", all gents? (grin) ahah... 
LOL
As I know not who you are you are wrong to assume I have never posted here before. The names have recently been realigned and I chose to take on a new name. You seem to have some animosity towards Heather not sure why but you really shouldn't take a post and assume it belongs to anyone else other than who posted it. I have never had the pleasure of meeting Heather--her posts are delightful, her site shows a beautiful women--and a couple of e-mails I had with her about a situation I was experiencing I found to be caring. She is beautiful based on what I know thus far. So thanks for throwing off the thread when I was trying to get some seriously needed insight. Now if you would like to come out of mild attack mode you might look at my modified post and respond as I'm sure your insight would be enlightening.
Now I'm no Sherlock Holmes, but that doesn't make too much sense.
Jetta,
I feel that if one of my all time favorites, has run afoul of LE or any other catstraphoe that this world can throw in our direction, as a human being it's my duty to be there for that person. Whether it be non-session lunches, phone calls, hand holding, a shoulder to cry on, and all the TLC I can muster, then that's what I would do. This person is not only one of my all time favs. but a friend, and that's what we do for our friends.
In the case of a Bust? Fortunately, we have available a great friend in levendi who can guide us in the proper direction when it comes to the legal details. I would immediatetly seek out his council.
In respect to future sessions, being a regular, I'm already familar with her prices and services, so those details, should never come into play. They never did prior to her arrest, one of my rules, "Never discuss money or acts. Just do it." The session would take place as usual, and at the conclusion I would leave her a greeting card to read later. I see know reason to be suspicious or paranoid.
But, if she wanted to go into the details of the session or discuss gifts prior to the session? I would simply excuse myself, and it would be the last she would ever see of me, and the greeting cards. I would know that she was flipped.
What I described above came from an actual experience, but I didn't know levendi then, the rest of the details were left out for obvious reasons. Yes, she still gets greeting cards.
Overall, one shouldn't run away from someone that they've established a relationship with. You take the good and the bad.
You offer whatever support that you as an individual feel you can offer, you definately don't run away.
G.
who was recently arrested in the San Diego area this matter is of much more than theoretical importance for me. I shall do my best to live up to the standard you have set.
As usual your posts are full of insightful wisdom and unconditional regard. I hope I will have the pleasure of meeting you one day.
Well it seems that your question has shown us both the Light side and the not so light side of the TER community. It also has opened the window that shows what level of connection can occur in the relationship between provider and customer.
My response in the case you propose, well I am assuming by favorite you mean what would be my "favorite" and this means to me someone who I have connected at a level more than "getting naked".
If the connection is meaningful and we share moments of friendship and compassion then the response is to help as I would a friend. Financial, emotional, or whatever is needed and however it is needed. But being aware that LE is involved and may have compromised the relationship, as that is possibly their mission in this scenario. But if the connection is there; then I know that only one part of the relationship can be compromised.
If the connection is at a lesser level then I guess you can get a mix of self-defense, help where I can, and my favorite restaurant closing. A railing against the damnable luck and making sure I am protected and doing what I can.
For those who claim the mantle of realist I remind you that this is my thought and in no way do I claim universality and also it once was said that the only thing you can get out of a dance is what you bring in and I admit I tend to bring more than I should to the dance.
--JP
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