Ok, so say I have a midget, a camel, a sounding rod, an avocado and some silly putty in the room when you walk in.........
I'm sure this has been addressed before, but I'm too lazy this morning to search.
In another forum, a member was advising about overnights based upon his experience. In his list of things to do, he mentioned bringing a video camera. That just struck me as odd. How common is it for a provider to allow taping of what goes on?
I would flip the fuck out.
In another forum, a member was advising about overnights based upon his experience. In his list of things to do, he mentioned bringing a video camera. That just struck me as odd. How common is it for a provider to allow taping of what goes on?
And video his lower colon the dumbass. You don;t just whip out a fucking camera and say how bout it toots?
You will find that with women who already have videos on the net.
Usually for an up charge..
I've met one woman who does it..
I guess it would be cool to have a video of myself and a hot babe before I get old and fat.
Just never bothered.
Dammit man!
Too late for some of us!
We are already old and fat.....
For example it is very common in porn star p4p compared to non porn stars gals. And many non porn girls will do it for more $.
Also, the trust factor is huge too. Two girls I have seen for years have let me do it but again, that was trust built over many, many sessions/years.
Some other girls will let you tape it with their camera, watch it with you after the sex and take the camera/tape with hem so that they control it all.
Whatever you do, you ALWAYS get permission first. ALWAYS. Any girl catches even a whiff of that b.s. w/o her approval BEFORE you meet up and you should be put on every fkin BL in the country. It's also illegal in many states.
If its something that really interests you, hit up the porn stars that come to your area. Many are not as expensive as you think and most are blackmail proof so it wont be an issue with them. Many even advertise it on their ads/sites.
I'm not interested in doing it, or at least not enough to pay or to see providers I otherwise wouldn't see. I just thought it was unusual.
How does that work then?
I would think that as soon as the video is in some digital format or another then there's no such thing as blackmail-proof. It could end up just about anywhere.
He means that if you release that on the internet it will show up under a million other hits on porn sites with them doing sex acts. The only one to lose there is you.
Main Stream Media isn't going to be shocked by Video/Movie Clip 2,481 on her resume.
Your wife/mother/significant other though... that's another story.
A porn star with hundred of videos of her fucking and sucking already plastered all over the internet would be one of those people. Someone like me who is happily divorced, no kids, no boss, and no cares about who knows that I fuck hookers is another example of someone who is "Blackmail Proof"
A guy fooling around on his wife, or a young woman doing this to pay her way through law school are two examples of people who are NOT blackmail proof.
It's not where the video ends up that matters, it's whether or not the parties involved give a fuck that counts.
ALSO said IF the lady allowed it. Its not a big deal if the lady is OK with it. I am not myself but some ladies are
Hugs and kisses
TL
I don't. But several times I have found hidden video cameras in his hotel room. They are very small. Some of them the size of your thumb. Not a good way to start a date
Yet another potential downside of outcalls.
I never took any of them up on the offer. I have with permission taken cell shots. It isn't rare, but most do not allow it for obvious reasons. If you get the OK before the lady gets there it is cool. If a client does not get said permission then it is very not OK and reason for black listing. The trick is to ask before and many but not most will say yes. Most will charge more for the video shoot.
My sample size is small but 1 lady ask me to make several videos of our sessions. She had some porn videos done a few years ago and wanted some recent stuff. I have also taken photos of 3 other ladies when we "in session" and also with their permission. When one retired she ask me to destroy them and I did. I have never shown them to anyone without the permission of the star provider.
Some guy has a video of you having sex with him. You have no idea where he is, or of knowing if he deletes the videos.
Ten years down the line, he decides he wants to make some money and sells these videos to amateur porn sites.
Hell mothafuckin no.
No shortage of uploads of amateur porn.
I don't see a reason I would ever want to video a session...but sure seems plenty of others (on both sides) want that shit out there.
You did destroy those pics of us...right?
Ten years down the line, he decides he wants to make some money and sells these videos to amateur porn sites.
Hell mothafuckin no.
Hey, you allowed pictures in session, but I knew you were shy, so I just took pictures of us eating Spaghetti together. I hope it's ok if I post that on pornhub
I guess that no one is going to pay you for that great video either. A shame.
I seem to recall I had the meatballs however 
And a French martini.
Yeah, the name of the video is going to be "French Martini". What do you think?
I eat hot, steamy and schweddy balls.
Of course it should be suggested that you're actually doing the eating. Or else it becomes MM porn.
I do not have a large enough sample size to offer a statistic. Personal experience - Some will; Some won't. None seem to be shocked by the request even if it's refused. In this line of work, I expect this is probably pretty low on the perv. meter.
An idea would be to ask about doing it with a mask - which is something that used to be done very frequently with swingers and others who have a "real" life that they are worried about. Back before the "golden age" of porn (before my time - I assure you....) , it was not uncommon for the stars to wear a mask in the 8 mm loops.
I personally have only asked on a second or later session. Though as it happens - I haven't done it - YET. Though I have taken some pics and I do have some ideas involving a dungeon and two providers and...
I would not think of asking before the first session - I think it would be too awkward to really get into the details when you haven't met and everybody's still got LE and safety on the brain. Though - as it happens - videoing is actually completely legal if producing a video is the purpose of the session
And I've been asked for some silly shit.
So if some dude asks...why not just say NO?
How is it a personal affront?
I've asked for plenty of silly shit as well....the replies are yes or no. To take it personally either way...why?
I never said I'd "take it personally." There's a difference between being offended by something and taking it as a personal insult. For example, I find white supremacy highly offensive, but I'm white so I clearly don't take it personally.
Now that we've made that distinction, here's why I find the video/photo request offensive: it demonstrates a sense of entitlement and a disregard for my personal privacy. If I go to all of the trouble (not to mention financial expense) of obscuring my face as well as my body art, why in Gaga's name would I be willing to forgo that privacy just for the sake of a few bucks? It's absurd. I find a complete absence of common sense to be offensive, especially when such requests are accompanied (as they always are) with "ehhhhh but it'll be for my personal use only." Therein lies an assumption that I should just take someone's word for something, which is also ridiculous. Sorry, but I find blatant stupidity offensive.
How is it a personal affront?
I've asked for plenty of silly shit as well....the replies are yes or no. To take it personally either way...why?
Seems that you're caving in to some wishes to show your face.
Just saying!
Seems to go against what you just posted.
Now that we've made that distinction, here's why I find the video/photo request offensive: it demonstrates a sense of entitlement and a disregard for my personal privacy. If I go to all of the trouble (not to mention financial expense) of obscuring my face as well as my body art, why in Gaga's name would I be willing to forgo that privacy just for the sake of a few bucks? It's absurd. I find a complete absence of common sense to be offensive, especially when such requests are accompanied (as they always are) with "ehhhhh but it'll be for my personal use only." Therein lies an assumption that I should just take someone's word for something, which is also ridiculous. Sorry, but I find blatant stupidity offensive.
How is it a personal affront?
I've asked for plenty of silly shit as well....the replies are yes or no. To take it personally either way...why?
There are photos with her mouth covered and eyes exposed, and photos of eyes hidden and mouth exposed. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to put those together and know exactly what she looks like. Not too discreet anymore. 
Which totally invalidates her earlier posts.
I prefer all the gals to blur their faces so that it is impossible to use online facial recognition software. And as Tobi has commented several times she doesn't plan on being here too long. But those pics will always be here thanks to the internet.
It never forgets!
And I found it very odd that she, of all people, would post photos like that, after all her posts about discretion.
But it is a lesson for all the gals here. CPA is right. The internet lasts forever. Nobody wants this shit biting them in the azz when they want to leave this world behind.
But YOU better not leave this world behind. Because then who the fk am I going to ask about page 1,343 of the TER handbook, section 42, paragraph 6, lines 3 thru 9 re: "Whitelists: Their Importance and How to Get Them!!!
There's a big difference between photos showing a partial face and a video that depicts not only a face, but mannerisms, voice, identifying markings, etc.
But clearly y'all want to find some kind of personal thing to nitpick about, and that's kind of fucked up. Wtf is wrong with the world when Dunphy is the one coming to my defense? Everything I do is a calculated risk, so to suggest that my more recent photos are "not too discreet" in comparison to my older ones is just an attempt to unnerve me, and it's lame. Come on, guys, attack my ARGUMENT, not me.
If all you had was a partial face shot, that would be one thing, but you have MULTI partials, that when spliced together by today's software, can show your WHOLE face.
Thats not an attempt to "unnerve you" but to point out a chink your security armor to correct.
FWIW, I love the new pics. They are hot as fk. But the guys do have a point about them Tobi.
Tobi has some partial face shots. I just looked at them. Very nice BTW...beautiful.
That aside, would any of you guys care to explain how a partial face shot on a web site is the equivalent of a full-on video of Tobi (anyone) that reflects an entire session? This is not some minor distinction. Everything on the Inet is forever, yes. But an unedited video of anyone, doing anything, for an hour + is in a whole different ballpark that a static face-shot revealing an eye.
Plausible deniability.
Seriously, I'm convinced that if you guys can't find something, or someone to find fault with, or argue with on a daily basis you go into withdrawal. And then like a herd of anxious, bored cats you pounce on anything that moves
Who here has said that a few partials is the EQUIVALENT of a full video??? I said it is a security breach for her since she is essentially showing her full face, with the software available.
Just b/c the full on video is a bigger issue for a gal than multi partials, that doesn't mean the partial face shots are a non issue, just LESS of an issue.
Honestly hotplants, if you actually read the posts, it will help your comprehension of them by at least a factor of 10.
That aside, would any of you guys care to explain how a partial face shot on a web site is the equivalent of a full-on video of Tobi (anyone) that reflects an entire session? This is not some minor distinction. Everything on the Inet is forever, yes. But an unedited video of anyone, doing anything, for an hour + is in a whole different ballpark that a static face-shot revealing an eye.
Plausible deniability.
Seriously, I'm convinced that if you guys can't find something, or someone to find fault with, or argue with on a daily basis you go into withdrawal. And then like a herd of anxious, bored cats you pounce on anything that moves.
Tobi's insistence on photoshopping her pictures to hide the tattoos.
I mean, does a tattoo of a red rose identify her under her real name? I doubt it. Tobi's using a "stage" name for this business, so for me, a red tattoo will identify herself as Tobi Telford, not by her real name.
Go figure...
Did you know that you can unblur almost any picture if you had the right software?
The Forest Waits
I don't have a tattoo of a red rose, first of all.
Second, if I left my tattoos in my photos, I'd have zero plausible deniability. Let's say one of my brothers saw my website and said "hey, this chick kinda looks like you." I could easily say "yeah she kinda does!" and leave it at that. However, if I were to leave my tattoos in my photos, there's no way I could brush that off as a coincidence. I mean, what are the odds that another girl of my stature and age lives in my area and has a tattoo of a on her b that's exactly c inches wide, with another tattoo of x on her y that measures exactly z inches right next to it? Again, plausible deniability.
If my only ink were a simple butterfly on my back or a red rose on my ankle or something fairly common like that, then it probably wouldn't make a huge difference. However, my tattoos aren't little pieces that I chose from the wall in a shop, they're large, detailed, custom designs that were creative collaborations between my artist and I.
What that has to do with a red rose or my real name, I'm not too sure.
I mean, does a tattoo of a red rose identify her under her real name? I doubt it. Tobi's using a "stage" name for this business, so for me, a red tattoo will identify herself as Tobi Telford, not by her real name.
Go figure...
Did you know that you can unblur almost any picture if you had the right software?
The Forest Waits
TTT truly is TSTTTTT.
Many, many women brush out their tats. It's one thing to say "hey that Tobi sure looks a lot like Mary Smith" it's quite another to say. "Those tats are identical to Mary Smith, I KNOW for a fact that hooker is Mary"
Just remember Tobi, you are arguing with a stupid piece of wood, do you really expect him to get your point?
As for your little "debate" with the rest of my fellow "class clowns" you are a big girl and can take care of yourself, I have no intentions of joining that little "debate" you are having.
I think maybe I wanted to see just how many "T's" I could use in a single sentence and still make any sense. lmao
Yeah man, I got bored with it a few hours ago. As for TTT, he's not only TSTTT, but TDTF. I just figured I'd give it the ol' college try.
Many, many women brush out their tats. It's one thing to say "hey that Tobi sure looks a lot like Mary Smith" it's quite another to say. "Those tats are identical to Mary Smith, I KNOW for a fact that hooker is Mary"
Just remember Tobi, you are arguing with a stupid piece of wood, do you really expect him to get your point?
As for your little "debate" with the rest of my fellow "class clowns" you are a big girl and can take care of yourself, I have no intentions of joining that little "debate" you are having.
I think maybe I wanted to see just how many "T's" I could use in a single sentence and still make any sense. lmao
I mean afterall, I have given TurdBoy a dozen "second chances" to prove he's learned anything since he first came here.
What's ironic is that BSC Taylor, actually seemed to be getting her act together before her latest hiatus, if she comes back acting like she did when she last left, I may have to drop the "BSC" from her name. lol
Never met her but I understand she has more than a small rose tattoo. I have a very distinctive tattoo that would immediately blow my cover should ANYBODY that knows me and/or has seen it would know exactly who the hell I am.
My images cut off my head, there is no blurring due to said software. In the images I have had done, there is no tat removal but the images were taken to obscure it.
Right now she has plausible deniability should someone that suspects her as being who she is in real life, however with all her tattoos visible, there would be none
I also have no argument about you not wanting anyone to videotape you. I do have a problem with you being offended at someone asking the simple question. Since many ladies do allow it, how would someone know if it's okay without asking? Now if you had it on your website, "Absolutely no pics/videos!" and soneone asked, then that would be offensive. If someone showed up with their equipment without asking, that would be highly offensive. However, I don't see how asking a "Do you allow" question in and of itself as offensive. For the record, I have never videotaped a session and have no plans to ever do so, but apparently some guys are into that and some ladies are fine with it. I have taken some photos of some providers though (with their permission of course) and some of them actually ended up on their websites.
As to your face pictures, the current ones are not discreet at all. This is no attempt to unnerve you. This is a simple fact. I live 4500 miles from you but I bet if I saw you somewhere I would recognize you. If your family members see those pics, do you honestly think they won't recognize you?
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Why would you "have a problem" with what does or doesn't offend me? Now THAT is silly.
As for my family being able to recognize me by mish-mashing fractions of my face together, that's irrelevant (as I said before). People have recognized me based solely on my body and hair, but as hotplants mentioned, plausible deniability. Seriously, get a good photoshop person to take my chin, lips, single eye and forehead, put it all together and show me an end result that doesn't look like a Picasso painting of a burn victim. "Not discreet at all" is a gross exaggeration. Period.
As to your face pictures, the current ones are not discreet at all. This is no attempt to unnerve you. This is a simple fact. I live 4500 miles from you but I bet if I saw you somewhere I would recognize you. If your family members see those pics, do you honestly think they won't recognize you?
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It's not blatant stupidity, because there are plenty of quality girls who do it and enjoy it. Not everybody's programmed like you. So, to call a simple question about whether or not you'd do it highly offensive and blatant stupidity is....well....stupid.
If you had already made it known that you wouldn't consider it and then got the question, then yes, by all means feel offended.
Now that we've made that distinction, here's why I find the video/photo request offensive: it demonstrates a sense of entitlement and a disregard for my personal privacy. If I go to all of the trouble (not to mention financial expense) of obscuring my face as well as my body art, why in Gaga's name would I be willing to forgo that privacy just for the sake of a few bucks? It's absurd. I find a complete absence of common sense to be offensive, especially when such requests are accompanied (as they always are) with "ehhhhh but it'll be for my personal use only." Therein lies an assumption that I should just take someone's word for something, which is also ridiculous. Sorry, but I find blatant stupidity offensive.
How is it a personal affront?
I've asked for plenty of silly shit as well....the replies are yes or no. To take it personally either way...why?
Don't know how you made it this far on a p4p fk board where tons of stupidity abounds.
Annoyed at those requests for taping...ok. Peeved maybe? Sure. Irked a bit? Down with the cause.
But offended? And "highly" so?
Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on that Tobi. Major league bullshit.
I'm an easily offended kinda bitch, and I have no problem admitting it.
And yeah, there's plenty of shit here that offends me. Doesn't mean I sit around and stew over it. You guys are the ones who are overreacting.
Annoyed at those requests for taping...ok. Peeved maybe? Sure. Irked a bit? Down with the cause.
But offended? And "highly" so?
Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on that Tobi. Major league bullshit.
If a provider asked ME if she could tape so she could gaze at my physique whenever she wanted and relive our wonderful time together - sure I'd say no, but FAR from being offended, I'd actually be quite understanding of her desire, realizing that she couldn't be with me all the time and that this might in some way lessen the anxiety caused by her perpetual state of arousal from thinking about me.
Yes, she would have my deepest sympathy and understanding, even as I gave her a simple, clearly unambiguous, yet sensitively delivered, reply of "no."
But the silly shit sometimes is the funniest shit you know like dressing up like a Keebler elf. JK
I guess the hooker wasn't all that thrilled with him. Seems she called her pal to frisk him before the session?
you know like dressing up like a Keebler elf. JK
Some providers make it very clear on their web sites that certain things are just not on the table - Greek, for example or for that matter, video. If you advertise yourself as a GFE only provider - I am not going to ask to video you. I pride myself on taking stuff like that seriously and NOT asking. I am not interested in screwing up a session that I have paid for.
If just mentioning video (or Republicans or Obama or whatever) is offensive to you - you might want to consider adding that to your limits. Everyone has their hot buttons for whatever reason - and you are absolutely entitled to yours. However, as a customer matter, getting your buttons pressed by a client will not improve the session that he's paid for. It would seem reasonable to avoid the situation entirely.
If PSE is something you advertise - then being offended by a video request seems unreasonable. If you have done webcams in the past - it would seem strange to be offended by the request. Not granting the request (or negotiating terms) is always a reasonable response, however.
In your specific case, given that you are advertising yourself as a submissive at a premium rate - you might really want to consider adding no video or pics to your hard limits - especially if merely requesting it is going to get your back up and detract from the session. Posing at the direction of another is a very submissive activity - and there is at least one submissive provider that mentions that as a possible activity on her website. I don't think merely requesting video given the specialty you advertise is out of line - unless, of course, you have defined it as something that is a hard limit. A nice polite - "No - I don't do that" works well on me.
Chacun a son gout....
Ok, so say I have a midget, a camel, a sounding rod, an avocado and some silly putty in the room when you walk in.........
Well I was going to go with kumquat but there was WAYYYY to much room for interpretation error there!
The midget and the camel have to be screened too.
The midget I understand but the camel?
I don't trust camels. Bad experiences.
I can see being offended by someone taking pictures, but being offended by someone asking if he can take pictures is pretty silly. Just say no.
...simply being asked would not be deemed offensive. Suggesting making a video of a session might be different. "I'm offended that you would even ask," would be a response that might be expected, for all the reasons already mentioned above. Security at the top of the list.
More importantly for some, is the extreme deviation from normal business practices. It changes the reason for contracting an agreement. The session offers a good time, not a product which may or may not have monetary value. If a singer books at a club, and the manager says, "Oh, and I'd like to video your show so I can enjoy it over and over in the privacy of my home," the singer would be offended because a video of the performance could have much more market value than a home movie.
Considering the possible value in comparison to the stated value implies that the manager feels the singer is unaware of the obvious. It's like calling the singer a fool.
When someone calls you a fool, it is not at all "silly" to take offense.
In addition, putting forth the notion that the manager WANTS the video suggests the possibly of a video being made of the performance without the singers knowledge or permission. This queers an otherwise agreeable contract not only to a degree that could adversely affect the performance but the relationship as well.
The "business relationship" in both cases encompasses the hope of continued dealings beyond the immediate contract.
So, asking someone to have lunch warrants a yes-or-no response, and BEING ASKED ought not cause offense. And yes, most requests can be viewed in that light, but not all
Thank you for asking
Agreed. There are plenty of providers who'd allow that, some would even encourage you to do so
God, you look gorgeous like that! You should get a picture of you like that. (I used to be a professional photographer) Both providers have said to go ahead, but no face. I had them set up their own phone/camera to take the pic and then shot the pic for them and gave them back their phone/camera so they could see the result. They asked me if I wanted a copy, told them no, I didn't want there to be any possibility of the picture getting out on my account, but they might want to use it to advertise, etc. Both providers seemed to appreciate that and I've seen both pictures (cropped a bit more) in their ads.
Taking the pic was fun, though.
You could be recorded at any time and not know it. In particular doing an out call to someone's personal residence. For $50 bucks you can get full HD pen sized camera. If someone wants to spend some more money you can get tiny ones. They set it up before hand and record the entire visit.
Pastries for thoughts.
In another forum, a member was advising about overnights based upon his experience. In his list of things to do, he mentioned bringing a video camera. That just struck me as odd. How common is it for a provider to allow taping of what goes on?
...that there is no need to ask permission? Or are you saying that because it would be easy to get the video without asking, that BEING ASKED beforehand ought to regarded as considerate?
To my way of thinking, if a provider ventures into a contract for one service (P4P), and then is confronted with a request (conditional of not) for another (production of a video), she has been blindsided, AND she has been "solicited" under false pretenses, that is, not P4P but rather the production of a marketable product.
The reasoning that "probably" the product wouldn't fetch much, or that since so many such products already exist neither agent should care, seems very shallow to me
Just more of a consideration regarding those concerned with privacy. Technology exists that allows someone with bad intent to video, without the other person knowing.
To my way of thinking, if a provider ventures into a contract for one service (P4P), and then is confronted with a request (conditional of not) for another (production of a video), she has been blindsided, AND she has been "solicited" under false pretenses, that is, not P4P but rather the production of a marketable product.
The reasoning that "probably" the product wouldn't fetch much, or that since so many such products already exist neither agent should care, seems very shallow to me.
That is why I have guys come to me, and leave any bags outside the bedroom, clothing is randomly placed and I make sure I drape my shit over his shit to obscure ANYTHING.
That also goes for going to a guys hotel room. Who knows what has been set up.
Why not? Never mind..
And, I haven't been in long. Two requests were from gents I trust, so I allowed it. It wasn't video of our session though and neither video showed my face. One was me wiggling my buttcheeks and the other was of my boobs bouncing. Both short clips. I don't really think it's a big deal if it's something like that with one of my fav guys. I would never allow a full filming of our session though.
In another forum, a member was advising about overnights based upon his experience. In his list of things to do, he mentioned bringing a video camera. That just struck me as odd. How common is it for a provider to allow taping of what goes on?