At one point do you consider yourself a regular? How often do you see her (or he has seen you)?

Do you Grandfather him in? What if it has been many years and your rates have gone double, triple?

Anyone been weeded out and told to pay more?

How do you react if she is charging far more than originally?  
 
Do you take into consideration if you have rarely seen her over the years?

Some guys a gal might see a few times many years ago and get upset on the rate increase. To me, grandfathered in is for loyal customers.  

Do any of you Grandfathered men give better tips since she is having you at a discount rate?

This is open for the guys and gals. I don't care if you use aliases.

I have seen a number of them maybe two or three times, then I will no longer see them again.  A couple have been because they raised their rates.  I did not bother asking them about a regular client or grandfather discount, as most will say on their webpage that there is no negotiating on the fee.

I feel that it is pointless to become a regular to a woman who sees hundreds of men every year.  I can't keep up with the number of partners that providers have, but I am going to get as much variety as I can as well.

1) I have several favorites, most of whom live out of town (NYC).  See them whenever they visit, or if I travel to where they are.

2) More often than not, grandfathering applies.

3) Those ladies that don't ...depends on whether her new rates are within the limits I am willing to pay.

4) If her new rates are beyond my limits, time to move on.

5) If there is a long interval (years) between visits, her current rates apply.  What her requirements were years ago are no longer relevant.

6) Your policy about grandfathering seems reasonable.

7) Expectations regarding tipping in cash are downscale.  My preferred way to tip my favorites is by taking her to dinner, bringing her a great bottle of wine or gift card.  With ladies I really like, I have paid for their hotel or other expenses, and once drove one across several states when she encountered travel difficulties.

8) Though you didn't ask this, I have on a couple occasions advanced cash in exchange for future meetings.  Both  delivered on their side of the bargain.  But these were ladies where the relationship was ongoing, and where there was already an existing level of trust.  Both are friends to this day, and have been for years.  

Hope this helps.

I consider myself a regular when I've seen her four times. Four has been the magic number for me. When I see a lady four times, then the number always keeps rising until something happens to stop us permanently. There are many ladies I've seen three times, and it stops right there. It's uncanny. But you have to remember, we gentlemen are like fish when it comes to seeing ladies. We're all over the place, for too many different reasons to discuss here. I might see a lady two or three times a year, then not see her for a year or two. Then six times, then not.  

Yes, rates have gone up exponentially. Some ladies grandfather me in, and some say pay the new rate bub, or don't bother me. One lady made me pay the new rate once, then switched back, as long as I see her at least once every six months. Which begs the question. I tried to see her this weekend, and she said she was booked. Sometimes regulars turn me down for other reasons. If I get turned down, shouldn't that count in the grandfather cycle of six months?  

If she is charging far more than originally, she might get weeded out. It all depends on how valuable she is too you, and whether or not you can afford her now. What if you two have made a great connection, yet she knows you can't afford her? Is the new rate hard and fast? Maybe connections are just an illusion.  

If I've rarely seen her over the years, then I'm not a regular. However, if I used to see her a lot, then an unbelievable situation presents itself, and she gets put on hold for a year or two, I still consider myself a regular, when the unbelievable situation changes, and I come back to her. That's the fish factor from above.  

If it was a few times many years ago, that should not be considered as being a regular. Here's a question. What if you saw her a lot years ago, but had a falling out, then made up years later? Should I be considered a regular under those circumstances?  

Tipping is a whole new train of thought. Too many factors involved. But I do tip one lady every time I see her. Her rates are so low, it's a joke. The exact opposite from the new double and triple rates. It's something I don't understand, because her service is off the charts. Plus mojo and charm exudes from every fiber of her being. Talk about a hidden gem. She's the reason I can go high end every now and then. She's the reason I can stay in the game when times get tough

Some of my favorites I see several times a year, and others only once or a couple of times a year, mostly as they are touring providers.  I've never inquired as to whether or not they regard me as a regular.

Some have kept their rate to me the same for a very long time, but others do raise it now and then.  I don't recall anyone raising their rate to the point where I have stopped seeing them.

Some gals I do tip and others not depending on many circumstances.

A very wise provider once told me - if I haven't seen you in 6 months - as far as I am concerned - we are starting over.

Seems pretty reasonable to me

END OF MESSAGE

For me personally, what gets me to come back 99% of the time is a good BBBJ. If your skills are superior in that department you will definitely have my business. Just a small piece of advice IMHO

How often you need to see someone to be a regular depends on lots of things - mostly both peoples' schedules, and how close they live to each other. There can be a big disconnect if the guy is seeing the lady as often as he can (either because of his schedule or his finances), but it is not very often. So he sees her as his number one regular, and she sees him as a guy she has seen before, but nothing special or important to her business. So she does not protect his rates and he feels like she does not care, at least not as much as he does.

I have not been in that particular situation, but I sure have heard enough guys whine about it.

Obviously a rate increase, from the point of view of the provider either means she can get more elsewhere, or she needs more to make ends meet. But from the guy's point of view, it is often a wake up call that his feelings are just an illusion, and even that she would be happier if he just went away. So guys get upset. That is natural, but really we have no right to get upset. It is just a business, and ladies have every right to charge whatever they want.

As for your other questions:

I rarely tip, and when I do it is because a women is underpaid, usually an agency girl, but still did a very good job. So, no, I do not tip because a lady's rates have gone up and she is charging me less than her normal rate. My view is that she should charge me what she is comfortable accepting for her time with me. My choice is to pay it and see her, or not. My job is not to keep track of her current rate, nor to try to guess what she thinks is fair payment. Life is already complicated enough without playing that game.

The lady should tell me what her rate is, if it is different than the last time we met. Yes, I understand that if it has been a long time ago, she may not even remember what I paid, might have raised her rates a year or more ago. But for me, the one absolutely unforgivable sin is to take the donation, and then tell me her rates are higher so I owe her more dollars. Then I am done, gone, last visit. It is okay to say her rates have gone up and next time it will be more, but not dump it on me when I arrive for the date.

Part of the attraction in going back to see the same lady again is that I do not have to do any research, so I do not view it as my job to check for rate increases every time I go back to see someone. In my business, it is not my customers' job to figure out rate increases, either.

In every business there are good customers and bad customers. Good customers pay gladly for what they receive, appreciate it, and want to see the seller do well. Bad customers whine, try to get freebies, are unpleasant to work with. They eat up a lot of your time dealing with their shit and never generate a lot of money. They eat up your time and energy. The worst thing is that since "the squeaky wheel gets the grease," bad customers often pay less for the same thing than good customers. That is completely backwards, but a trap we naturally fall into in order to appease them.

Your life will be much better, and your business more profitable, if you dump the bad customers and focus more energy on the good customers. If he whines that he loves you, but can't afford the higher rate, tell him you are sorry but he should probably find someone less expensive. When he calls you a heartless bitch, tell him you are really sorry he feels that way, but this is how you earn money and pay your bills, so you have to make some tough decisions despite your feelings and you hope he can understand that, maybe even care enough for you that he does not want you to be poor for his benefit.

Maybe the bad customer is completely immature and unaware of his behavior, or maybe he is just being a manipulative prick - it does not matter.

This is a business. The seller's right is to charge what she wants to charge; the buyer's right is to spend money with her at her price, or go elsewhere. All the rest is BS.

That is how I see it.

zig

While I will admit that "hundreds" of women every year is a tough pace to keep up as we get older, but a hundred or so isn't so hard to do, even with a couple of regulars tossed in.

I do have a few ladies that would consider me a "regular" actually I have a few ladies in a couple of different countries that would consider me a regular.

As for rates, I really can't imagine any woman I was seeing on a regular basis all of a sudden raising her rates on me. I don't know if I would say anything, but I would most likely end up simply losing her phone number. Nothing would remind me more that our relationship is nothing more than a business transaction than for a woman to raise her rates on me.

For the record, I would never ask a lady for a "discount" just because I've seen her a few times. Fair is fair.

... I see a provider at least every 2-3 months over a year or more.  Currently I consider myself a regular of 3 providers; it was 4 but one fav just went on hiatus.  I try to see these 3 at least every couple of months.  One of them is my long-time atf, who I try to see every 4-6 weeks.  The others are more recent "regulars".

I have never asked nor expected to be grandfathered for rates.  The ladies I see regularly charge what IMO is a very fair rate for the quality of their service, and I don't see why they should take a hit financially because they choose to see me vs. someone else.  My atf offered to grandfather me into her old rate the last 2 times she raised it; I thanked her but I pay her going rate, which I think is still reasonable even with the increases.

I have never tried to nickel-and-dime a provider.  Case in point, one provider for whom I'm a regular customer had a P411 discount when I made my initial appointment with her.  We had to postpone the date at her request, and by the time we actually got together the P411 discount had disappeared.  I didn't ask her to grandfather me into that discount.  She was well worth the non-discounted rate.

I don't tip any of my regulars.  My "tip" for them is my repeat business and positive reviews.  But I usually bring them a gift--nothing extravagant but something I know they'll like such as their favorite wine or chocolates, a new toy, a book, or lingerie.  

On one side is ease, familiarity and safety; along with sometimes presumption and complacency. On the other is variety and adventure; but with it increased risk. If Disneyland adds several new attractions a "regular" customer can easily rationalize a bump in the admittance fee. If the fees go up and nothing new is offered the consumer may look elsewhere for their amusement. If a provider sets a minimum requirement of regularity to justify a grandfathered or discounted rate the "regular" can feel as though they're simply an indentured ATM while possibly deferring or giving up variety. If a provider's success effectively makes her time more valuable it's simple business ethos that her prices reflect it. But the very nature of the business and more so keeping a "regular" is making them feel special.

  A new girl in town generally enjoys a vigorous initial volume. But unless they learn the balancing act their tenure as well as volume may prove temporal

Please share and explain, because I always thought tenure was by definition temporal.

Either you have a great secret, or maybe the damned need a new GW?

zig

I still have guys I saw in 2009 for 400 who pay that now, even though my rates have nearly doubled. I am not saying every provider can or should do that because many switch to incall hotels when they were once charging lower rates to visit the gy at his place, but that does not apply to me. In those cases where the provider has to pay extra fees to provide an incall when she was once only doing outcalls, I certainly see her point.  

On a side note, thank you to all who served this country so that we could sleep through the night without fear of being killed. Thank you for fighting for many of the rights we have here that many other places do not have... speech, religion, voting, equal rights for all races, the disabled and among the sexes. Thank you for the time you sacrificed away from your families and friends to protect our freedom. Now, I am headed to the beach to drink a few cold ones for all of you lol.

While you and I are as different as night and day, there are some elements of P4P that should be constant. I see one woman exclusively. She provides exactly what I need at this point in my life, with absolutely no complications or drama. I would never think to ask for a discount, but I would definitely look for another arrangement if she wanted to charge more.

as I am to see them

... at least that's when I consider each of us to be of comparable importance to the other, and call me crazy but mattering to the person I'm with matters to me.  

And now I've sort of settled into a comfort zone doing 90% outcalls. This sort of skirts the rate question and helps me understand how things are working between a provider and me, as I'll pay for a really nice room and offer the same amount as always to someone I've spent a lot of time with in the past, and she can stay for as long or as short a time as she wants, which always turns out to be way more time than advertised for that rate, and almost always includes drinks and/or dinner at their suggestion.    

But then again, I may be fairly unique as liking each other's company is a lot higher on my list than having the body of a 20 year old, fetish friendly, or just about anything outside the basic companionship food groups.  Whatever I may have been at one time, after many years of marriage I've become a creature of that mindset of french vanilla regularity (plain vanilla is even too bland for me) - alas, just not with the woman I've been married to.  

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I served during a period when we weren't involved in a conflict/war. And so I have a special appreciation for those who volunteer to serve knowing that it's probable that they will have to go half way around the world to bring the fight to the enemy so that we don't have to fight them on or near our shores. My hat is off to those who serve today and who have served in the past and defended our freedom. I go out of my way to thank service members in uniform during my travels.

We must always remember, freedom isn't free.

When my rates changed I didnt post on my site that regulars will be grandfathered. If you actually are a regular you are seeing me enough to know your grandfathered and don't have to check my site.  
I think advertising that you will see people at less then your current rate is just opening the door to others trying to negotiate.  

I also don't understand why so many people assume we are all seeing 100's of guys. A lot of us are very selective or have a group of regulars we stick to.  
I know at least w me, being a regular benefits you. I like getting to know people, what they like. I also very much appreciate it and I'm going to show you that. To the OP what I consider a regular really depends on the person. I have some people that travel here 2-3 times a year and see me every time they are in town, other people I see once a week, they are all regulars. If someone sees me as regularly as their circumstances allow they are a regular.  
If someone hasn't seen me in a while I also look at the circumstances when deciding if I'm going to grandfather them. If they were forced not to see me for 9 months because their job relocated them or something I will keep their rate

I also don't understand why certain people assume the providers I am talking about don't see 100's of guys.  A lot of them are very into making a lot of money quickly and may have a huge group of regulars they stick to, as well as a number of new clients as represented by a great number of new reviews each month.  

I suppose I may have been wrong to make these statements.  Bottom line is I see no point in becoming a trick pony with my own pen in her stable, when her very business is fucking many guys regulars or not most of the time.  I like to leave open the opportunity to see who I want when I want, and if I see no point in becoming a regular due to a variety of factors, well it is my prerogative after all.  Just like it is a providers prerogative not to see me for her own variety of reasons.  

 I was explaining to the OP my view of being or not being a provider's regular customer, but apparently I did not explain it too well.  My fault there.