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Re: UGH, this thread was dead for a week until BLPOS revived it
60hrwk 5 Reviews 4309 reads
posted
1 / 39
SERIOUS trafficking question

the back story before the question... saw a woman on a website, looks great, fantastic body and my style... so i reach out, have some small convo.... and red flags started coming up...
1. invited me over without any screening
2. only incall
3. european, only OK english... that's not a big deal  
4. NO social media, a big red flag... spoke to another woman, she agreed taht's an issue in todays age.
5. offered to see me but only available at 11pm tonight, baby...
6. leaving town tomorrow at 11am..
     6a. i asked where she was going, if she's touring..
     6b. the response, "I don't know"....
            how the fuck to you plan to leave town and not know where you're going... is someone TELLING you where  
            you're going?  
7. then the normal, i'm doing this to help my family... out of the blue, btw...  

all these points alone are probably not an issue but collectively, i can't help but think.... it really doesn't pass the smell test.
so the question is this, or questions:
1. who does a guy contact WITHOUT putting himself at risk of exposure too?
2. IF this perception is wrong and she's outted... then that makes a fucked up mess for her... authorities come knocking  
     and asking questions....

maybe i'm naive or foolish to think about this but id prefer to error on the side of caution... an adult making a decision is one thing, a young woman being forced is anohter....

thoughts and any action that should or could be taken... greatly appreciated.... risk/rewards...

MarieSimone See my TER Reviews 124 reads
posted
2 / 39
um...

How young did this "provider" look?

Thant available time frame sounds weird too. Where was the incall at (area wise) nice neighborhood or back alley sketchy?
I wouldn't go anywhere near someone with no web presence, reviews, website, social media. SOMETHING. and you getting that many red flags and bad feelings just don't do it.  

Sounds to me like it could be LE. Or someone looking to set you up. Either way it's a no for me. and I hope for you as well.

GaGambler 138 reads
posted
3 / 39
I have a SERIOUS answer for you

Unless you know for sure. MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS!!!

 
You have already admitted that you don't have a fucking clue. If you are right and she is being pimped/trafficked, without actual proof there isn't a fucking thing you can do for her. OTOH if you are wrong, and based on the limited information you have about her, that is almost certainly the case, all you will have accomplished is to have brought LE into the life of some poor woman who is just trying to make a living.

 
Not having social media attached to her "hooker persona" is NOT a red flag, Not "knowing" where she is going is one thing, Not wanting to share with a Captain Save a Ho is quite a different matter. I would go on and give you valid reasons for every one of her replies to you, but I hope you get the point by now.  

 
Just remember "no good deed goes unpunished" and unless you have a VALID reason to suspect she is underage PLEASE just mind your own fucking business.

 
Yes you are most likely both naive AND foolish, and you really should err on the side of "minding your own fucking business" unless and until you don't have to ask the peanut gallery here what you should do. If there is the slightest doubt that you might be doing more harm than good you should do absolutely NOTHING.

in_the_know 135 reads
posted
4 / 39
everything GAG said is right on EOM


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coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 105 reads
posted
5 / 39
This is so embarrassing . . . . .

I'm ashamed to say I live in the same area as him.  Clueless, naïve and foolish is just the beginning of what this could become with an imagination running wild.

60hrwk 5 Reviews 115 reads
posted
6 / 39
Re: everything GAG said is right on EOM

all points very well taken, i agree the best thing to do is to just back off and mind my own business.... this is why i came here to get your input.  
thanks y'all!

i agree, the last thing i the world i'd want to do is bring unwanted attention on the poor girl just trying to make a living.

thanks!

60hrwk 5 Reviews 110 reads
posted
7 / 39
Re: This is so embarrassing . . . . .

how do you know we live in the same area?

60hrwk 5 Reviews 123 reads
posted
8 / 39
Re: um...

she looks 22ish, and i agree, i'm not going anywhere near her.
really just curious if anyone has ever been faced with a similar scenario and how did they respond. the thing that got me thinking most is that another provider said that sounds really off to her...  

anyway, nothing i can do... thanks for your input too.

Black-Panther 108 reads
posted
9 / 39
Re: This is so embarrassing . . . . .

We're pretty sure you live in Southern California. Highly doubt you're from Wichita, Kansas. Based on your reviews.

 
I'm with GaG. Unless you got to see her and she looks like she is 12 years old or shows you ID she is under 16, nothing is going to happen. If she was underage, that would be a red flag for LEO, but that would also drag your ass into questioning from the police. One of the few ways the police will get involved immediately is under age trafficking. Otherwise, not really a priority.

Robertini 4 Reviews 111 reads
posted
10 / 39
yeah


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team_rocket_qwerty 115 reads
posted
11 / 39
My take

I don't really agree with GaG here. I mean, I agree with his conclusion, but I disagree with the thought process.  

 
You have the right to question what's going on. I don't think you should mind your own business, especially if you wanted an appointment to see her. However, it is imperative that you make right conclusions from information that you get. From what you've mentioned, there are maybe some flags raised, but none of them scream trafficking and you're certainly overreacting.  

 
Calling LE on her is just irresponsible and pointless. If you really wanted to, you could pry around and see what you can dig up. Depends on how good you are in gathering information. Best would be you making an appointment (I know that ship has sailed, but still) and evaluating things first-hand.

252002 178 Reviews 99 reads
posted
12 / 39
Re: I have a SERIOUS answer for you

So you have suspicion that someone is being trafficked and you should “mind your fucken business”. Wow, do you have daughters ? Hope they never go missing.

GaGambler 161 reads
posted
13 / 39
Based on the information provided by the OP

You're fucking A right he should "mind his own fucking business" He doesn't know a Goddamned thing about her, her situation or anything else about her. It's like the do-gooders who think that every AMP worker is a sex slave and who wrongly tell others not to patronize them  because they "might" be doing this against their will.

 
How the fuck would you like it if people started boycotting your business, or even worse started getting LE involved in your personal business on the off chance that you might not be a willing participant with ZILCH as evidence.

 
Doctors abide by a principle "Do no harm" maybe Johns and would be Captains Save a Ho should abide by the same principle. The changes of doing harm to this girl by sticking your nose into her business is a LOT greater than any chances she is actually being trafficked. Remember, he has NEVER even met this girl, what the fuck does he actually know about her?

WICardinalfan 129 reads
posted
14 / 39
Re: I have a SERIOUS answer for you

Not that my opinion really matters, but I agree with GAG.  You can get yourself into something which can come back to haunt you.

GaGambler 118 reads
posted
15 / 39
So just how do you disagree with me then?

I think you just don't want to 100% agree with me because you are an argumentative fuck. lol

 
I don't see ANYTHING in your post that disagrees with what I said. By "mind your own fucking business" I don't mean he can't ask himself these questions, he just shouldn't ACT on them without a LOT more evidence that she is doing this against her will, something you seem to agree with.  

 
As for trying to get a date with her, you've already conceded that "That ship has sailed" so just where in the fuck do you disagree with me?

 
So quit being such an argumentative fucker and just admit "I agree with GaG" lol

36363jensen 4 Reviews 121 reads
posted
16 / 39
And rocket

you can even do that in the "feel good way" but telling GaG to go fuck himself.

GaGambler 117 reads
posted
17 / 39
Hey Jensen GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!

Yes, that really does "feel good" lol

team_rocket_qwerty 100 reads
posted
18 / 39
Re: So just how do you disagree with me then?

I got the impression from your post that your position was "be a customer and don't worry about this type of shit". I am fundamentally against that. If that wasn't your position, then apologies.

 
I don't mind people acting on potential ht. Calling Le is the last step of a complicated process tho.

team_rocket_qwerty 105 reads
posted
19 / 39
Re: And rocket

Do I add "eat shit and die" to it, or is that your audible? ;)

GaGambler 100 reads
posted
20 / 39
Apology accepted,

because it wasn't his "questions" that were problematic it was his contemplated ACTIONS based on the very limited information he had to work with that I took issue with.  

 
Keep in mind he NEVER even meet the girl in question, just how the fuck you can make the leap all the way to calling LE on her "for her own good" based on some sketchy answers from her that might just have been her way of blowing him off is beyond me. (not you, him) The one thing we most definitely agree on is the fact that he most certainly "overreacted"

 
Lastly, he's not even a "customer" at most he was a "would be customer" Calling LE after seeing some sketchy shit first hand with your own eyes is one thing, doing it based on a few texts or at most a phone call, (he doesn't make clear which) is the height of responsibility and the reason most hookers HATE the "Captain Save a Ho" types.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 115 reads
posted
21 / 39
Re: Hey Jensen GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!

It does, doesn't it. LOL

rocket's been here long enough so should be able to join the club on this one I think.

team_rocket_qwerty 117 reads
posted
22 / 39
Re: Hey Jensen GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!

Yes, I have been here long enough for you to know I don't succumb to peer pressure.

Posted By: 36363jensen
Re: Hey Jensen GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
It does, doesn't it. LOL  
   
 rocket's been here long enough so should be able to join the club on this one I think.

GaGambler 158 reads
posted
23 / 39
You are often guilty of not succumbing to "common sense" either

Sorry, but you made that one WAY too easy for me to pass up.

team_rocket_qwerty 131 reads
posted
24 / 39
Re: You are often guilty of not succumbing to "common sense" either

Such as?

If blind conformity=common sense to you, damn right. Otherwise, I would disagree.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 104 reads
posted
25 / 39
This is not my fight, but . . .

I would just like to mention a minor point that you have a propensity for viewing outlier examples as the norm if it supports your foregone conclusion.  That kind of flies in the face of "common sense."   I'm not saying its a character flaw . . . . well, maybe it is.  Lol

team_rocket_qwerty 112 reads
posted
26 / 39
Re: This is not my fight, but . . .

Such as?

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 154 reads
posted
27 / 39
You won't get any examples from CDL...

He posts bullshit all the time and then never backs it up.  He runs away because he's a little bitch.  You'll be waiting a loooong time for CDL to show your "...propensity for viewing outlier examples as the norm if it supports your foregone conclusion."

 
Oops, just noticed your post is already a week old.  LOL, see I was right - you'll be waiting a looooong time for CDL.  He's a bullshitter, nothing more.

-- Modified on 9/29/2020 4:52:33 AM

GaGambler 112 reads
posted
28 / 39
This kind of crap is EXACTLY why we call you BLPOS

You didn't "just notice" that this THREAD hasn't had a comment for an entire fucking week. You had to be actually "searching" for a CDL post to bring your drama to this board.  

 
PLEASE try to be less obvious about your lies. Or better yet get a fucking life other than researching old posts trying to find a "gothca" post that you can make a big deal out of that everyone else has forgotten all about days, weeks, or in some cases even YEARS ago.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 127 reads
posted
29 / 39
Okay, here's your example . . . .

You came on the Kgirl board some months ago and announced that there is problem on TER because agency/orgs were writing their own reviews of their girls in order to shill.  You were challenged by a number of veterans here, and so you came up with 3 or 4 Kgirl reviews from an agency that was already disreputable and everyone that has been her before you already knew it.  Since then, you have come up with nothing new that shows this practice is more widespread on TER than the few outliers you found.   That's why I say you choose outliers to try to make a point that doesn't really exist. Its a false narrative.  It was a thread that you started, so if you want me to bring a link, I will, but I figured I would not embarrass you any more over your denial, unless of course, you want me to.  This is what keeps happening to BPLOS.  He makes a claim, and a link shows he lying, so he has no cred here.  You DON'T want to be like him.

team_rocket_qwerty 131 reads
posted
30 / 39
Re: Okay, here's your example . . . .

Major correction - I did not say it's a TER problem.

It's a problem for all sites that host reviews.

What you did as a response, was claim that in your 20 years you haven't seen a single fake review posted by orgs, and then after you saw me post some, changed it to major reputable orgs in LA. Very honest of you, yes.  

I saw some girls get 1k+ fake reviews over six months on other site. Hardly an outlier.

GaGambler 125 reads
posted
31 / 39
UGH, this thread was dead for a week until BLPOS revived it

Can we PLEASE let old threads just fucking DIE already.  

 
You two have rehashed the same old shit a thousand fucking times already, At least lets keep K-Girl drama on the K-Girl board, P&R drama on the P&R board and GD drama Right HERE. this crap qualifies as K-Girl drama, you have at least THREE active threads on the very same fucking subject going on right now, Isn't that enough for you two?

 
and yes, this is directed at CDL just as much as it is to you. I'd be as embarrassed as fuck if I thought I was letting BLPOS pull my strings like he's doing to the two of you. PLEASE tell me you two are smarter than this.

36363jensen 4 Reviews 140 reads
posted
32 / 39
It's definitely done but you might need a REALLY big fork ... LOL


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useyrhead 4 Reviews 181 reads
posted
33 / 39
The risks of being too good at CPR?

Your line “let [them] just fucking DIE” brought this video to mind. Enjoy.

Related Link: Too Good at CPR

GaGambler 133 reads
posted
34 / 39
Ok THAT was a lot funnier than the direction this revived thread was taking

Thanks for the laugh.

team_rocket_qwerty 113 reads
posted
35 / 39
Re: UGH, this thread was dead for a week until BLPOS revived it

I always want to reply to shots at me. With that said, you are correct,GaG. Sometimes best to just be smart about it and end it first. No more replies from me in this thread. I did get baited.

cks175 51 Reviews 117 reads
posted
36 / 39
Who To Contact? Two Options

A lot to unpack in your post, but the “Who To Contact” question  is pretty simple. It’s either the police or the website carrying her advertising.

If you call a police tip line, there’s a good chance she’s going to get arrested (if she’s not being trafficked). Even if she is being trafficked, if she’s not underage, most PD’s will arrest her anyway. So you’re considering getting a woman arrested because she didn’t screen you and then was vague about her touring plans.  

So don’t call the police. There are special task forces and units at local, state and federal levels that investigate sex trafficking. They don’t need a curious mongers help.

Your second option would be to contact the website carrying her ad and report your suspicions.  After FOSTA/SESTA, the sites are paranoid about being tied into abetting sex trafficking.  But what’s the outcome of that? A legit provider gets deprived of her source of income when the website drops her ad?

Of course there’s a third option. Don’t contact anybody.

Happy_Ed 84 Reviews 109 reads
posted
37 / 39
Checking out a provider

Do a google on her phone number and see what comes up.  I have found many other links to sites she is on  Plus some others that used to use the same phone.  Sometimes multiple providers use the same phone which is run by the organization.

Ed

Theocrat 14 Reviews 87 reads
posted
38 / 39
Isn't There Another Explanation

She sounds like she was getting ready to rip you off. Who knows who or what you would have found lying in wait when you went to the incall location in the middle of the night. I think less likely a trafficked girl than a ROB and her pimp waiting to take you down

sexystephie See my TER Reviews 118 reads
posted
39 / 39
Stop and think

I hate  to say this because it rips my heart to think of people being forced into doing this. Now understand this there are many degrees of being forced. When I first started nobody forced me but my life and situation pretty much made this my only option. That was along time ago and I pretty much was happy with my decision and I like what I do. Getting a real job as people say would be very hard for me because I don't like to be told what to do and I can't wake up to an alarm to save my life.

 That was a little off topic but I am getting to my point. Many women that come from other countries may be trafficked but some of them are ok with that. There's the chained up seeing 30 guys a day trafficked and there's the giving more than 60% of what you make to someone trafficked. Many of these gals may not love this but they are taking one for the team. Even giving most of their money to pay off whoever got them here still leaves an amount equivalent to probably 10 family members income or more. I just know many of these women are ok in their situation. And unless someone asks you for help or you can see with your own eyes they are a child then it is probably best to not butt in. I know that seems wrong but you will probably do more bad than good.  

  And you do know that the trafficking hysteria is making some people millionaires. If the government really wanted to help trafficked women they would talk to hookers. I have some great ideas. Give me thousands and thousands of dollars and I would do something much more beneficial than scooping up trafficked women and making then work some menial job being housed in something equivalent to a cell.  But they don't bother asking us. It's like asking the janitor at Nasa about things only the astronauts know. Not saying it's not good to get opinions from outside the box but if helping someone is what you want , go to the professionals in that field.

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