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Re: Just based on having read this board for more than ten years...
LVproton 127 reads
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Interesting. Say more.

LVproton8364 reads

Of course only answer at your level of comfort. But I’m curious for those who are married or in long term ted relationships — how do you navigate this world? Do you participate as a voyeur but not in practice? Do it with your wife or SO? Maintain a secret with strong opsec? Don’t ask don’t tell? Or maybe you do it with you SO consent?

obviously a deeply personal topic, but I’m curious.

I'd say most guys cheat. I'd also guess very few are voyeurs and not many do it with their wife or SO.  
The operational phrase is "deny, deny, deny."

I would venture to guess that many and perhaps most hobbyists are married, or in a committed relationship of some kind, but a man has to do what a man has to do.

 
So, you will find any number of threads on this board and others related to the best way to go about this undetected.

 
Among the salient points are to have a separate hobby phone that you hide very well (In the oven, ha ha), and create a convincing  rational to be withdrawing significant sums of money (golf bets, and that kind of thing), as well as rationals for why you are home late sometimes, or out on weekends.  (Work tends to be the main go-to for that.

 
But even then, guys do get caught (( did) and end up in divorce court (I did).

 
So, consider your comfort factor carefully before dipping your toe in the water.   One warning;   It is very habit forming.

 
Also, yes some guys do have open marriages and do hobby along with their spouses in 3-somes, and the like.   I also did this a few times but it wasn't enough to save the marriage.   I finally found a better work around:   I married a provider.

LVproton120 reads

Curious to hear a bit more of you story — ie how you started. When the habit formed. Now and why you got caught. How you found your way to a provider and what that experience has been like. Sounds like you ended up in a good place. Happy for you and curious to learn more either here or via PM

at least for the average Joe.

 
Back then there were weekly entertainment tabloids that were available free all over town in convenience stores, etc.

 
In the back of these were personal ads, which is where gals would advertise.   I was just out of college and still a virgin and decided enough was enough, so called a few numbers and saw a gal for a massage and hand job.   The cost was $40.  The massage was pretty bad, but she was pretty and the hand job was pretty good, so I came back next week for a massage and blow job.  Cost:  $60.   I was hooked.

When I got a computer, then the fun really began, and found oodles of gals on line.  Before long one of them told me about TER, and I've been here ever since.

I am positive my wife know I hobby. It took years to get to this point. Even though she is a 60 yo 120 lb knock out blond who spends a least a hour or more each day at the gym. Her days of sex are over. Years ago before menopause we had a great sex life. Early on I left too many clues I was seeing providers. She was upset and angry and felt they might be a threat to her. I started to be very, very careful and never left any sign of what I was doing. Those years where difficult. Over time I heard about her girlfriends husbands having affairs' and seeing providers. I think over time she realized that I still had a sexual need but it was not a threat to her and her place in our world. It sucks for me , I wish we could go back to the days of good sex when she was in her 30s and 40s. She looks better and is more attractive to me than almost all of the providers I see. The last time we had sex was several years ago. It was painfull for her and she only did it for me.  
Hopefully this info may help others.          

My story is almost identical to yours.   So is it cheating if the last time you had sex with your life partner is 13 years ago?

I tend to think not.

Imagine you sign a contract with a restaurant that says you will eat only here for the rest of your life and nowhere else ever.  A year or two later, the kitchen informs you that they are closed and no food for you.  This repeats everyday for months.  At this point, I think you are being cheated.

If you now eat out, I don't consider that cheating by you.

Marriage is not a "contract", it's a commitment.  If you can no longer keep your commitment, then why not just get divorced and move on?  Why live a lie and be miserable except for the few hours a week you are fucking someone else?  You will be happier knowing that you can do whatever you want and you don't have to keep your lies straight.  

 
One thing I've learned over the years picking up women at the gym is that most often they lose interest in their husbands because 1)  his physical appearance has changed and she no longer finds him attractive, or 2)  his attitude towards her has changed and he is no longer the romantic and attentive guy she fell for.   If sex becomes just a Friday night chore  without any of the romance that brought you together in the first place, much like doing the laundry, they will lose interest pretty fast.  There is a point of no return and a clean exit is the best solution.  You can usually buy your way out of any marriage that has gone sour.  I have on more than one occasion.  There is no emotional component to your contract with the restaurant, so "cheating" doesn't mean much, and after THEY breach, you are entitled to consider the contract void.  If you look at marriage the same way, it's no wonder she cut you off, but your solution is same, just leave and find someone else,  . . . . . unless you work for her dad, then it's more complicated.  Lol

Steve_Trevor110 reads

But what I remember about the commitment I made on my wedding day is that nothing was mentioned about sex. The commitment was about staying together for better or worse, richer or poorer, in sickness and in health.  Physical intimacy is important in a marriage I think, but not the sole determinant of whether two people are happy together, or not.  

 
Women at the gym are a small, non-representative sample of women overall… especially the kind of women you would tend to pick up at the gym.   There’s many other reasons why women lose interest in sex, and a lot of those reasons have nothing to do with their husbands. But you’d need to consider a larger sample size to realize that.  

 
You don’t seem to realize that there’s other reasons for two people to stay married besides sex. Maybe everything else is great except a mismatch in sexual desire. And the couple finds a way to deal with that—outsourcing for example. Lack of sex in a marriage doesn’t necessarily mean the marriage has “gone sour”.  Buying your way out of a marriage may be best in some cases, where the marriage is irreparably damaged. But it’s not the only solution to lack of sex in a marriage.

there is not much I disagree with in theory, and I also agree that if the "couple" find outsourcing of sex a viable solution, then it could allow them to stay together without recrimination.  However, from what I have seen reading these boards for over ten years, the "outsourcing" is usually a unilateral decision by the husbands, not a decision by the "couple", and the wives don't even know about it.  There are many threads, not just this one, that concern keeping the cheating a secret.  If the wife knew and agreed to what the husband was doing, it would technically NOT be cheating.  I would venture to say that the number of wives who are onboard with their husbands seeing providers is a small minority of the total number, most of whom are doing it on the sly and go to great lengths to keep their wives from finding out, so I have to look at your explanation as purely academic because there are so few here that are doing it the way you describe, where the wife is a willing participant in the decision for hubby to use community funds to pay for sex with professionals.  

 
There have always been women married to successful men who were willing to look the other way regarding their husband's philandering, but I submit that is the exception and not the norm, and even then, as you move down market from the very rich, women would just as soon divorce when they find out their husband George is also a John to working girls.  I think the reason most guys stay is fear of losing half of the estate in a breakup, and that's why they don't tell their wives what they are doing.  In the long run, this approach can cost a lot more than splitting up and dividing things up when the stagnation in the sex lives first occurs.

Steve_Trevor139 reads

I think one reason a lot of people in committed relationships who see providers on the sly don’t tell their partners is because they don’t want to hurt them.  But they might be surprised what their partners would say if they openly discussed the problem.  If partners love and trust each other and each wants the other partner to be happy, and one doesn’t need or want sex, that partner might be ok with outsourcing, realizing “it’s just sex.”  Setting ground rules and sticking to them is important for the outsourcing to be successful.  

 
I’d like to see couples make a pre-nuptial agreement about this issue—what happens if there’s a mismatch in sexual desire down the road.  It could be as simple as agreeing to discuss it openly and honestly, and being open to the partner who still needs sex to be able to get it under agreed conditions.  It might be tough to think about early in a relationship, but people do financial pre-nups all the time so why not sexual pre-nups?

couples had this discussion at the same time they are discussing who's going to manage the finances, whether they are going to have kids, and other important things that often break a couple up if there is no agreement on how it's supposed to go.  With that said, I have tried to have this conversation with girlfriends I have had, and they mostly seem to view it that I'm not that into them and that's why I need more sex than what they can give me.  Ironically, the providers I have dated are more understanding because they also want to continue working.  It works for awhile, but I have never had a provider BF-GF relationship last more than a year.  It might be interesting to poll the married guys here and see what percentage have actually had this discussion with a SO.  With providers the conditions were easy to set down . . . . as long as she was getting paid and I was paying the ladies I was seeing, we agreed transactional sex is not cheating.  Nevertheless, most of them come to a point where they want me to be exclusive with them, but they still want to work.  The argument is, " . . . . but it's my JOB."  It's still not a level playing field, IMO.  

 
When I was married, I did not cheat or see providers, because I felt I should honor my commitment.  After my wife passed away unexpectedly is when I started seeing working women.  I got hooked on the NSA sex.  Lol

"But what I remember about the commitment I made on my wedding day is that nothing was mentioned about sex."  
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That is probably not true.  From Wikipedia article "Grounds for divorce (United States)  4.3 Abandonment or desertion:
"... However, refusing to have sexual relations with a spouse can be considered abandonment in some incidences. ..."
It seems that a marriage vow to "Love" is understood to include sexual love, even in the law.

Steve_Trevor111 reads

let me assure you that “sex” never came up. 😏

 
Under ideal circumstances, married couples would have sex “til death do us part”.  But reality intrudes. And it works both ways. If for example someone is no longer physically attracted to their spouse and thus stops having sex with them, that could be considered abandonment in your argument. Watch out, married guys. 😉

 
Then there’s all kinds of circumstances where refusal to have sex is due to health factors. There’s other ways for those couples to physically show their love for each other besides sex, eg kissing, hugging, cuddling.  So I don’t buy the argument that “love” in marriage vows equates to the right to have sex with one’s spouse.

1.  I'll stipulate that the word "sex" didn't come up in your wedding ceremony.  Nor in mine.  That fact has not mattered to divorce laws.  
2.  What you're calling my argument is a pointer to history, mostly.  
3.   "If for example someone is no longer physically attracted to their spouse and thus stops having sex with them, that could be considered abandonment ... ."  Yes, that's what I was pointing at.  Not in "my argument", but in the laws of various states.  
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 I have not argued that it *should* be so, or that that is right or just, only pointed out that laws for a long time made it so -- as far as I can tell, not being a lawyer nor a scholar of the law.  
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But I suspect there are lawyers in this forum who could chime in with more authority, if they would.  I hope they will.

If a person is injured in a car accident, the person's spouse can also sue the person who is responsible for causing the accident.  In California it's called "loss of consortium."  Other states may call it loss of companionship, loss of services or lost intimacy.

 
Loss of consortium is defined, in pertinent part, as: The loss of the enjoyment of sexual relations.
The victim of the accident receives compensation in the form of actual damages - the cost of medical bills, lost wages, etc.  You can't put a specific dollar figure on loss of consortium so it is compensated as exemplary damages in the same way as pain and suffering.

Steve_Trevor138 reads

cases where a spouse will have marital sex, but how they approach it is unsatisfactory to the other spouse?  For example, “She just lays there”, or “He doesn’t care at all about whether I have an orgasm or not”.  What do the courts have to say about that?  Do they realize that terrible sex can be as bad as no sex at all?

A bad blowjob is still pretty good. ;-)

are like pizza.  Even when it's bad, it's still pretty good.  

Unfortunately, I have.  FOTB Chinese girls for some reason are not very good until they start doing 5 or 6 a day as sex workers.  The smart ones learn pretty fast.  Apparently, oral sex is not big in China for either sex.  After seeing some of the untrimmed bush on new girls, I can understand why.  Lol

Steve_Trevor109 reads

really sucks.  Just not literally.  

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Billy Joel: "There's nothing better than good sex. But bad sex? A peanut butter and jelly sandwich is better than bad sex."
https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/billy_joel_107763

Woody Allen: "Sex without love is an empty experience. But as empty experiences go, it's one of the best."
https://libquotes.com/woody-allen/quote/lbi6s0z

courts would say, but for me, it's similar to a car that doesn't run anymore the way it did when it was newer.  I would trade her in on a newer (younger) model.   Lol

 
The main reason marriages don't work is that, too often, the woman picks a guy that is not everything she wants, but figures once she is married, she can CHANGE him into the man she really wants.  Guys, on the other hand, agree to marry the hot young woman that sucks his dick every time she sees him naked and can't get enough sex, and hope that she NEVER changes and stays like this forever.  Neither one of them get what they want and that's when the marriage starts circling the drain.  

That's the old joke, a woman marries a man hoping to change him and a man marries a woman hoping she'll never change. Both end up disappointed.

I was being serious.  I've seen this happen in dozens of marriages. Maybe those who are not taking it seriously are the ones ending up in P4P.  Lol

Steve_Trevor169 reads

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: I don't know what the . . . .
courts would say, but for me, it's similar to a car that doesn't run anymore the way it did when it was newer.  I would trade her in on a newer (younger) model.   Lol  …  
If she breaks down at some point… discs degenerate (lack of mobility + constant pain), migraines, maybe heart trouble etc., just dump her for a newer model.  Easy-peasy.

 
So much for the “for better or worse, in sickness or health” part of the commitment we discussed earlier.

A good wife who is is trustworthy stays in shape and keeps up her end of the deal is much like a classics car. You have owned it for many years. You also love it but you don't drive it because its got a few years on it and irreplaceable. Its given you much joy over your life but when its time to hit the road you take a new fresh model.    

Of course not. That's why I drive the new ( younger ) model !  

Steve_Trevor106 reads

and keeping up her end of the deal!

Marriage is absolutely a contract.  If it weren’t then there’d be no laws governing how things get split up when the contract is broken.

That's absurd. Plenty of things in society (and even one's personal, private, individual life) which are in no way contractual are governed by laws and regulations. Marriage could be contractual I suspect (not a legal philosophy expert) but in such cases one would think the concept of a prenuptial would be redundant and those terms included in the marriage contract.

than add in $5000+K/month "maintenance", child custody battles.  Just as I'm reaching peak earnings, let's voluntarily fuck up my life as much as possible.  I'll just start there...

known hundreds of mongers over the years, if you wait until they catch you fucking around, the outcome of a divorce will be much worse., especially if the other women are multiple escorts where the wife will perceive your cheating as callous and reckless when it comes to her health, and she will want to fuck you out of every dime that you have.  Having an honest talk that you have both changed with age and it might be time to take a break is much easier to swallow for most people than catching their spouse cheating.  Keep it friendly and unemotional and you have a chance to negotiate on favorable terms.  

 
Second, it your income is such that child-support can reach $5000/month, or that the relative income contributions from you and your wife are so disparate that you would pay more than the average person, you should be at a level where you can still maintain a comfortable lifestyle with what's left.  If you wife does not work, then she's dead weight already and even more reason to detach yourself before she gets any older and expenses go even higher.  Then going forward, you only have to make financial decisions that benefit you, not her.  If you are just entering your peak earning years, then you have all of that future income to call your own, less the maintenance costs until the children reach majority.  

 
Granted, fear of the unknown future is what keeps most keys from exercising the divorce option, but as I said at the beginning, it she catches you at some point, she will be the aggrieved party and will want more than half, and won't be satisfied until you suffer the usual traitor's fate, hanged, drawn and quartered, or some modern-day financial equivalent.  

Posted By: coeur-de-lion

 ...she catches you at some point, she will be the aggrieved party and will want more than half, and won't be satisfied until you suffer the usual traitor's fate, hanged, drawn and quartered, or some modern-day financial equivalent.  
Anyone contemplating this scenario has to become familiar with their state laws - in many states, like NY for instance, cheating doesn't matter and doesn't entitle the aggrieved partner to anything extra.

I will have to disagree with you. Marriage is a contract.  A contract is a commitment.

DrillBit9121 reads

Does sex with an elder provider plateau at some point? Meaning, does a 55 year old provider still get the thrill of the game?

I would say a big no. However some fake it so damn well you will never know. Others with more experience can answer better than me .

I HAVE WHAT YOU REALLY SAID ABOUT ME YOU FUCKING PIG!!!!!!!!

For the poor guy who  married a 1,000 lb pansexual beast and thinks it cool to see her gangbanged. But also would never cheat. I would say a review of priority's  is in order. The only person who is going to gangbang my 120 lb Blonde wife will be after I am shot full of holes and dead as a door nail. Every clip and weapon will be empty and the floor  will be littered with spent casings. But if I had a "Beast of Burden " such as a ox or cow as a wife I might feel differently.  As far as wife's and blowjobs, in the south we have a saying. Why does a bride smile as she walks down the isle ? Because she knows she has given her last blowjob !  Luckily for me the frequency did drop after marriage but the well never went total dry until she was in the 50 yo range.    

I wonder what the judge will say? My lawyer doesn't like this!!! Just saying!!!

Do YOU want to stop lying. For every lie to tell I'll back it w/ the truth :)

...being a married female monger is really not much different. I've been doing this long enough to know how to cover my tracks and minimize suspicions. I'm lucky that I don't have a helicopter spouse that needs to know every single aspect of my daily life. I am also generous in keeping her happily shopping at high end stores for days on end :D

So that is your secret.  You treat so you can trick.

Posted By: lopaw
Re: She don't ask and I don't tell...
...being a married female monger is really not much different. I've been doing this long enough to know how to cover my tracks and minimize suspicions. I'm lucky that I don't have a helicopter spouse that needs to know every single aspect of my daily life. I am also generous in keeping her happily shopping at high end stores for days on end :D

GaGambler125 reads

nice post. my take is that cheating is bad. u shouldnt cheat if you are married if your wife is not ok with it.
i have sex with my wife all the time and so i do not cheat. cuz i dont have an urge to. thank u for posting

I totally agree!
I wonder how surprised the cheaters/liars would be if they found out their wives/SO were also playing around!
Cats away the mice will play!

GaGambler192 reads

That beast in the video looks like she could eat my girl whole as a between meal snack, all 90 lbs of her.  lol

 
Ok, now for a bit of clarification for anyone else reading this.  

 
I have been seeing hookers pretty much my whole life, ever since I was the ripe old age of fifteen. What I do NOT do however, is see hookers when i am in a committed relationship like I am now.  I have long maintained that I don't believe in cheating. Now again to clarify, seeing hookers "with" your SO, whether 3somes or gangbangs, doesn't qualify as cheating, nor are people in open relationships cheaters either. If you have to hide what you do, then by every definition I can think of, you ARE a cheater. Spending all this time on a forum designed to faciilitate (mainly) guys cheating on their wives with hookers, I try not to be too judgmental on the subject, but I think over the many many years and most likely dozens of posts/threads on the subject I have been pretty consistent in my position that I really can't relate to people who not only cheat, but who make cheating a way of life, but each to their own I suppose.  

Back to the 1,000 lb pansexual beast, I wish I could say I was surprised that you attempted to use the link you "stole" from my wife in a feeble effort to insult me. Oh well, you never did have any game, so your latest weak effort to insult me shouldn't surprise anyone. As for my wife, I'll let her kick your ass privately. Of course you'll probably like it. lol

And anyone who lets his SO post here has ZERO creds to call out anyone else's game.

I’m late to the game and only recently came back out of curiosity. I think I understand why GaGambler might not reply to my email now and shock to learn he got married and now while not doing reviews still he has a white listing 😂👍

I’ve enjoyed his vast knowledge and experience for a long time. Not sure when he joined but I’ve been a VIP member for 21 years.

As for the topic at hand. I was married almost 25 years to a tall slender and extremely well educated Chinese woman. The only problem was she was less than enthusiastic when it came to sex and behaved more like it was her duty and hoped it would be done soon 😩

Well one day at work one of the subcontractors we hire told me about a spa in DC on Vermont. We awarded his company with a nice contract and he said the first 2 trip were in him 👍.

I was reticent about this but went ahead anyway thinking he might have exaggerated his experience and at least I might get a good massage from a young Korean girl. Let me tell you it was a mind blowing experience. Of course I came home feeling guilty and worried about any smells I might have and unexplainable glow about me. I got away with it and while I new it was cheating I went for the second visit and had another mind blowing experience. Needless to say I was bitten with Asian fever. Hence why I was entertained by what GaGambler had to share about his experiences which I’m greatly appreciative for.  

Well my new addiction was difficult to maintain with household and family obligations. Eventually I made a blundering mistake which led to my second divorce. I had been very friendly with a Thai girl so much so she gave me keys to her apartment. I’ll assume my wife was suspicious because she took advantage of my mistake of leaving the keys on the counter which had the apartment complex name in it.

I often travel away to work and decide to make that my excuse to spend the night at my friends apartment. Lo and behold when I went to get in my car there was a not on it from my wife that simply said We Have to Talk. Ok this was so uncomfortable of an experience I can’t describe it but it was painful knowing that I would have to have that conversation and I didn’t know what to say or what excuse might work but deny, deny, deny wasn’t gonna work because I was fought hands down someplace I shouldn’t have been if I was traveling for work.

Anyway I couldn’t tell her much but said I felt emotionally  and sexually neglected. I promised to stop and she said she would try to improve our relationship, needless to say it didn’t work out and one day I called her said I couldn’t it anymore and left. I might not have cared as my Thai friend let me move in with her 😂

So if you were looking for the perspective and experience of a guy who acknowledges he was a cheater there it is. My addiction lasted for years, no regrets. I only stopped because I was in a relationship with the Thai girl and got more awesome sex that I didn’t need to cheat. Yes then it wouldn’t be cheat if I stepped away but I didn’t have to, from Baltos MnGs we hooked up with others and experienced and explored the game of swinging  sadly she eventually left me for another guy and I slowly started playing again.

If anyone stays in touch with GaGambler tell him Slip says hi and I am curious to know what his wife looks like, she must be Asian  

Cya, Slip

If you dont condone cheating wtf you doing posting on this board??

(Would have sent PM but stopped renewing my VIP so....)

 
I knew you had fallen in love but didn't know you tied the knot (again). Congrats.

 
But I do recall you had said in the past your first walk down the isle was plenty for you so she must be a pretty impressive young woman. Or, did you trip while drunk, hit your head and now have some altered personality ;-) (Just would not be quite right to not poke some fun at the news.)

CurlyW-NatsFan101 reads

You gotta stop letting your girl on this site posting under your name.. LOL  Maybe she can have her own ID... How about GaGamblersGirl ?  

 
We all know you don't write like that.. This is sooooo not you !!

 
Not that I really give a shit one way or the other, but I am just sayin'... You know.. !!

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Was due to fooling around with an old girlfriend, before I got into this lifestyle.
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Now in my second marriage I am a lot more careful.   My wife spends a great deal of time out of country visiting her relatives.  So that's when I play the most.  But if she is in country for long periods, I occasionally find an evening hour or so  on the way home from work.   It's risky, though.  But  I can't wait forever.

My wife gave the best blow jobs for 25 years.  That's why I married her.

After 25 years she stopped, cold turkey.  One month later I started seeing escorts.  

I don't tell the wife anything.  Have hobbied 18 years now and seen just over 200 women.  I think the wife may have figured it out but apparently she would rather let me continue going out than go back to giving blowjobs herself.

in this situation.  When they stop cold-turkey like that, it usually means they have discovered that YOU are cheating or else they are blowing someone else that they have come to like better than you.  

 
With that said, I never cheated on any of my wives, but a few of them did not last very long anyway.  What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, if you get my drift.  Lol

I have been hobbying for 10 years or so but only do so when I travel alone, which is a couple of times year. It is partially because I live in area with low quality providers (at least I haven't found anyone) and I am not desperate enough to pay for low quality.  Limiting it to travel keeps the impact to the treasury and minimizes the risk of getting caught. SO probably has suspicions but prefers to avoid the subject, as it involves sex and she is going through menopause.  

A couple of years ago I had a "work wife" that I think the real wife was getting jealous of. No lines were crossed there, although it was coming close. The real wife gave enough space that seemed like she acknowledged that I she knew I might be fooling around and was okay with it as long as I kept in check.

UMMM I don't remember the work wife please fucking refresh my memory.!!!!!!!!!!!! lying sociopath.

Look....be careful...getting caught will be a problem....keep your mouth shut....watch your cell phone and computer trail....watch your spending....don't use a credit card....pay cash....tip well....Enjoy !

I'm honest with my wife and she is okay with it. We are there emotionally for each other but in the sex part not too much. We are affectionate but her meds kill her sex drive.

LVproton108 reads

How did you start that conversation?

It was brought up during marriage counseling.

the meds are that she is taking.  There are probably a lot of guys here who would love to know how to kill the sex drive in their short, fat wife.  Lol

I'll do one better, I'll share a screenshot of a list of antidepressants and the level of special killing severity and let anyone decide!

For the poor guy who  married a 1,000 lb pansexual beast and thinks it cool to see her gangbanged. But also would never cheat. I would say a review of priority's  is in order. The only person who is going to gangbang my 120 lb Blonde wife will be after I am shot full of holes and dead as a door nail. Every clip and weapon will be empty and the floor  will be littered with spent casings. But if I had a "Beast of Burden " such as a ox or cow as a wife I might feel differently.  As far as wife's and blowjobs, in the south we have a saying. Why does a bride smile as she walks down the isle ? Because she knows she has given her last blowjob !  Luckily for me the frequency did drop after marriage but the well never went total dry until she was in the 50 yo range.    

Never partake within 100 miles of home and never on the same day as I’ll be coming home.  
Never bump into someone who might know me going into a apartment complex or hotel that I have no business being in and never on the same day so I can make sure all evidence of odors or makeup is gone.

John_Laroche107 reads

I plan. I don't act impulsively.
I have routines in my life that allow for time away from the office and/or home.
I understand my SO's routines.
I manage my cashflow/spending habits consistently, ie,. whether I'm partaking in P4P this week/month, or not.  

Curious to hear a bit more about why, how this works for you, how you stay discrete and disciplined etc. here or via dm if you’re up for sharing

You will need plenty of condoms, money the wife don't know about,  and some sneak away and  play time,

Just don’t tell your wife and be very vigilant.  Don’t disrespect your marriage by getting caught.  Make sure you make enough money so she doesn’t notice a couple thousand missing every month.  It’s not rocket science.  You live and then you die.  Just fuck sluts and get on with it.  

Use your phone to contact the lady but block her number afterwards so you don’t get caught, cuz trust me we don’t appreciate when we have wives call us back. I usually say wrong number and hang up.

So for those that hobby while married- do you wear your wedding ring during the session? Speak about your marriage during the session?

a new thread with this question.  It's buried here.  

Thanks! Thought that might be thecase, but for some reason this thread was on top of my feed.  

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