I have had my first bad experience of visiting a provider listed on P411 without a TER review to back up my selection.  I should know better too so this one is on me.

I believe that the low level of service that you experienced was due to the lack of accountability in the post-review world, rather than a lack of experience. The review system was not just a source of information on a provider's performance and erotic skills. It also motivated them to perform well, in the hopes of earning good reviews in order to build their reputations, and it further discouraged misbehavior and mediocre service, given the risk of bad reviews. Without that encouragement of good service and that deterrent to bad behavior, I have no doubt that the quality of service will decline.

and for that matter neither are all 23 year olds.

Before review boards it was hit or miss TOFTT, but there were no teams to report to.

I was actually speaking about myself when referring to the 200,000 mile comment.  Many men over 59 are in better shape than I am.  I made the comment to give the provider a reason for the poor performance, when most women older understand the dynamics of age.  Older providers, INHO, are more seasoned and understanding about aging and do not let it get in the way.    

Mistake on my part, to be sure.

A lot of us have over 200,000 miles on us, but that doesn't mean WE don't enjoy young women.  

I disagree. I've been with providers ranging from age from roughly 20 to 45, and the providers in their 30s and 40s tend to have more skill at at delivering an enjoyable experience. The younger providers are generally more attractive, but sometimes that is undermined by their relative lack of social skills or increased flakiness. The older providers also seem to enjoy the sex more, while some younger providers can't even be bothered to move around much during the act. YMMV, of course.

Although age isn't a primary factor in my selection, that fact that guys also like young women is hardly unheard of.  

I suspect that this provider just performed the way she usually does, and didn't suddenly get worse due to the lack of reviews. The OP just didn't have any way to research her in advance, or else he might have either seen bad/lackluster reviews or the total absence of reviews as a warning sign.

With the New World Order of non-review sites being the only game in town (seems like switter will be a non-review communications channel), those of us old fossilized bastards (thus my handle) will remember what things were like BEFORE the inter webs and review sites.

We are now in a hobby where we spend $300-$1000 and not sure what we will get.  TER reviews were not perfect and there was definitely some major problems, but it was one of the cornerstones of this hobby. Even the anti-TER individual went quiet after TER reviews shut down because even she saw how much it hurt providers.

You're just not looking in the right place.  

maybe even up their game. Not all of us here are out to take your money and run.  Even in this industry, some people take pride in their jobs.  Whatever you do in like, do it to the best of your ability.

plus 1 exactly

Plus 2

Reviews are good and bad....agreed but overwhelmingly good for many of the reasons listed above.  There were some idiots that posted “revenge” reviews but am I wrong in saying that they were more of the exception?  Most established hobbyists, weigh the good with the bad...when checking reviews.  One 6-7 amongst 9’s wouldn’t stop me from seeing someone.  Reviews keep hobbyist from bad or dangerous experiences from a pimp hiding in the closet and does motivate ladies to keep their service on par and easily generate new clients.  Everyone should understand that there is a YMMV factor in the industry as far as actual service behind closed doors but the “experience” should be in the ballpark.  Guys have thanked me for years for my reviews.  I like to think that I have helped tons of guys AND girls.  Good luck everyone in this crazy new world.

Very valid points. I relied heavily on reviews to choose my meetings. Now everything seems to have that "BP" air of uncertainty. Did the BP thing twice when I 1st got in the hobby. The 1st was the worst encounter I've ever had in my life, the 2nd I walked on as the girl was gross, and unclean. The room stunk of dirty ass. The 1st may have too....but I couldn't smell it over the pungent stench of pot.

Looking at  your photos, Sasha, I would agree -- no "halfass anything" there

In the reality of TOFTT and YMMV, no girl is worth $1,000... so that reality lesson will hit some girls pretty hard I suspect... my max will drop a bit with no idea what I am signing up for...

Hoping Switter adds a tab for provider accounts:  toots   followers  following  reviews

Plus 4

And what a work of art you Are!

I booked a first appointment with a Top 5 local provider for tomorrow. She has also been on the TER Top 100 national list for at least a year. She had a lot of reviews here at TER, and I read through quite a few of them in the past, so I knew I wanted to see her. I booked her through P411, and there has been some followup communication with her scheduler. The final step was that I needed to send her a confirmation text today to get the address for tomorrow. I sent the text over five hours ago, and still don't have a response.  I followed up with one more text, as well an email and PM via P411. Crickets. I can and will vent about her on my local board if we don't meet tomorrow, but it won't have much impact due to the decline in activity here. She can keep screwing up and disappointing other potential clients without any accountability now, though she will probably need to occasionally pull her act together to make some money.

You're so like the lady with the mystic smile.

Her scheduler emailed me last night. She confirmed that I texted the right number, but couldn't explain why the provider hadn't responded. So I tried again this morning, by text and email, to try to get the address for our 10 AM appointment. At 8:05 AM, the provider canceled without explanation. She did say sorry, but the abrupt message left me with the impression that I should move on to somebody who gives a shit.

I can't believe all the grief you've taken in this thread! I'm older than you and the majority of my visits are mid-20's, as are the majority of my multi-repeats. One of my current favorites just turned 21 and is one of the best kisser's I've met in 10 years of hobbying.  Now, I do agree that the odds of finding the true GFE go up with age - and conversely aren't as good with young 20's but they definitely exist.

I'd move on. I show respect so I wouldn't want to meet someone who didn't show me the same.

and saw you were already developing a bad attitude.

I agree with the first response to the OP,  which made the point that the provider's service may have been deliberately half-assed because the provider felt that she could get away with mediocre service due to the lack of accountability in a post-review world. The risk of a bad or mediocre review was a strong motivation to perform well, but that motivation is no longer applicable.

Don't get discouraged!  Many of us ladies are not like what you have unfortunately experienced.  

This is what I predicted here weeks ago, a return to the low-quality services from the pre-TER, pre-internet days. Ladies can get away with this with impunity right now, but it is going to cost them soon enough. They won't pick up any new regulars, and the existing regulars will gradually drift away in search of some variety. Eventually even the best providers will be competing strictly on price, and the price will be going down because nobody will pay even $400 an hour for unknown quality. To make the same money they made in the past, providers will need to go for quantity instead of quality, and that will lead to overbooking. And if P411 goes away, screening will initially become a severe pain for everybody involved, and then eventually providers will just give up on screening and go back to paying drivers to work as security. Welcome back to 1998 everybody.

I agree with you about the potential for the communication to get messed up when an assistant is involved. The assistant did respond to me yesterday, but that didn't help because the provider still didn't respond to my texts until she canceled. It would have been really helpful if the assistant had directly contacted the provider and told her to contact me. Instead, the provider handed the problem back to me. Making me send additional text messages may have made me look pushy to the provider.

Those who were and have always provided the best are going to continue. They would rather have repeat clients than constantly working to get someone new only to as you suggest provide less quality and risk loosing a new client.

Unfortunate but not only agree, also think it goes both ways.

Sorry that you ladies have to put up with guys like that.

You mentioned that there is a new review site. I would certainly be interested in signing up for it, and I imagine that many other people here would like to sign up for it as well.

PM me if you want to know.

Occam's razor?  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Honestly if your experiences with us older providers have 99% been good, and you choose to go against that and pick a 23 year old for an experience I feel that says more about your choices than the lack of reviews for you to read.
Actually why am I even on here answering such dopey questions when out here in the post review world the rest of us are getting along just fine like always. There are still ways to research. Google a providers name and our old reviews are to be found on that wonderful scraper site that steals them all.

You nailed it!  Much more articulate than I.  

Thanks!  

At a younger age your perception of age is quite a bit different.  As a 21 year old provider I thought someone in their 40s was ancient and was put off by anyone older than that.  The people who I was attracted to and had more enjoyment were generally around my age.  My focus was earning money, not building connections.  Now its a lot different (I am 31).