Question for the providers....  When you contact references via phone or email, how in depth is the discussion?  I imagine you want the basics.. does he pay? Is he safe?  Would you see him again?  I am wondering however if you get into any specific details.  The reason I ask is,  I am one of those guys who really loves to explore all kinds of aspects of the hobby.  If I have references from ladies who offer services that you do not, does that influence your decision?  For example,  Sometimes I am looking for a very social and sensual appointment.  If that is your forte, but you see that I have reviewed and/or given a reference for a lady who offers more fetish type appointments,  Will that give you pause in seeing me?

Some women are affected by the women you have seen in the past and reviews that you have written. This goes beyond the safety issues. For e.g. I might be a safe person to be around, but if I like certain activities (based on my review history) then a certain type of provider who is not confident that I might give her a good review, might not want to see me. I have experienced this first hand with a DC based provider.

That being said, most of the time references are centered around safety and hygiene issues. I have asked providers in the past as to what do they ask about hobbyists when they contact another providers for references, and vast majority told me that they only care about safety and hygiene.

Yes, if you are into shit we are not especially things we might find a bit much, some of us will not see you. I look at a guy's reviews to see what he is into, and if I see hardcore pounding, PSE type activities, bbfs, or stripper slide, I will not bother meeting with him, because he will likely find me a bit too vanilla for his tastes, regardless of what he says about it not being an issue. If you're not crossing any lines, you should not be so worried about what your refs are saying about you.

Each of us will have specific things we want to know from a reference, and those things are kept between us. If a girl tells me "Ron is a nice guy, but can't wash his ass" I am not going to tell him what she said, but I also won't see him. My main concerns are size, age, and weight as each of those things has presented me with issues in the past in one way or another, but there are times I will just look at a guy's reviews if I want any more intimate details. Many women are not comfortable discussing what happens with their clients, so if I can't get the info I need from them, I either find it somewhere else, or just pass on the appt.

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Perhaps because I'm into a large variety of activities myself, I am not too affected by the details.  I am interested in knowing that you are safe, sane and respectful of limits.  I might look at other reviews you have written to get an idea of some things you like or dislike to make our meeting a bit more meaningful, but unless there is a major problem or warning from a reference, I just want to make sure you are safe.

The only thing you should worry about is the yay or nay response for an appointment request that comes from the provider you wish to see. This code should never be broken. Of course, it does happen and drama can ensue in certain situations. Its better to let it be.

That was a mistake.
It was pretty funny.
Hey! At least I know my ass is clean.

"If you're not crossing any lines, you should not be so worried about what your refs are saying about you".....

Pretty much!

I know you mean no harm or intrusiveness here, but that type of thing should really be left to us. I really don't want all potential clients knowing all of my screening protocols or all the questions I ask other ladies, lest some dirtbag finds a way to circumnavigate that.

I have had a few guys ask me directly what their references have said about them, which I think is pretty inappropriate. I told them that I wasn't comfortable sharing that information with them, but I am willing to see them because of what the information I got from their references, so that should say something.

In your case...some GFE providers may refuse you because they might feel like they won't be able to meet your specific needs. Others won't refuse you because they figure that, if you read their site and took the trouble to contact them, you must know what they're all about. It honestly is something you'll have to figure out on a case by case basis.

We as Providers have to causious with new clients because we dont know who you are.
I dont mind when a New clients asks me Questions because he/she doesnt know untill they ask. But asking and answering question's over the phone and email is rather risky, so it has to be done with some consideration.
Every client is different and so is Every Provider. Myself, alot of my clients go see other providers for services that I dont offer and that doesnt bother me one bit. Mainly because my client know what I Do and Dont offer and I feel as thogh they are showing me some Respect by not repeatly asking for more for what I dont offer, and I am Greatful for that Respect.

Thank you all for your responses.  From the few responses so far, a couple of things come to mind.

1)  It was not my intention to be privy to exact conversations between providers... that was not the jest of my question.  I was more concerned that when I explore a bit... if that will have an adverse affect on my  future abilities to connect with a more "mainstream" lady.  (no I would never be disrespectful or unsafe!!)

2)  Then, in turn, it makes me concerned that when I write a review of a lady that it might be read by other providers as expectations of future encounters (definitely not the case) and give ladies concern as to what my expectations are prior to actually meeting and/or talking with me.

3)  We can all play safe, be respectful, and explore.  There are situations where variety can be fun, but I surely don't want my "explorations" to be detrimental to future fun!

Thank you all for your responses.

I am at work right now but slip downstairs to get a soda.  So this is the short version.

I will post more tonight.

Keep one or two vanilla references that you see once or twice a year.  Those are your control refs.

The real dirty shit you do with some providers you keep incognito.

Gotta run back to the office.

No that won't work you would show all you met under your handle in the review section unless ter allows
men to post reviews under two handles .Or unless you don't review which in that case you might not
get booked without .

Further proof you're an idiot. I don't just call the refs YOU tell me to babe...I will decide which ones I want to talk to, and if you don't have a TER ID with reviews, it's full name and employment or kiss my ass. This is the kind of shit I was talking about as far as disrespect goes with you btw...NOT your sexual preferences.

You don't even do BBFS that I am aware of, so cumming on her face is not all that big of a deal for me. It is how you have to fake who you are to get a date that does not sit well with me, but don't assume every provider is so lax on screening. You would never get through mine.

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Yea right. No need to worry what's being said about you, if you are a good client overall. I had a guy who was into some serious BDSM shit, and I still saw him. Why? Because he was an asshole on the boards and I wanted to see just how "tough" he was...not so much bwahahaha.

Just curious  LOL

~Sir.TERjeopardy

This post was not, nor do I want it to be about tricking providers.  I want us all to be safe and secure enough to have fun.  Please ladies, if you read this... DON'T associate me with any trickery or evil desires....  I really just wanted to know the ultimate ramifications of being honest when I explore... and if that exploration might affect another providers decision to see me...   No ill will... NO TRICKS!!!

So yea...some guys have reviews under at least two handles  

What I ask and why is none of anyone's business but mine. I need to ask a couple more questions because if I don;t and I book and he has something or does something that is not right for me, he will suffer. I only ask certain questions so I can let a guy go elsewhere and not waste his or my time.

If you have two sides then you might want to keep the references separate...fetish to fetish and sensual to sensual. Because if I got a reference from you to contact a lady that does fetish work, I might think that's what you want from me and simply decline the appointment right there.

I thought YOU didn't see "Professional Hobbyists"?

So if this johnnie boy wasn't a "referral" from another hooker...how did the guy know about you?

Hmmm...seems like you are advertising  LOL

Maybe you need to attend another of OUR meetings...it'll help you with keeping your stories straight!

If a guy is a douche bag online, I don't want anything to do with him...remember, the dick head you just need to get used to? Life's way too short to have to deal with that crap. And if a guy was to pull some idiot move when with me, I want recourse. There is a reason I ask for certain things that I know the average asshat will not provide. And you're right, I almost always check refs other than who he asks me too or at least get more than one....for that very reason.

Shared risk. Hobbyist and providers both want the interaction to be safe and discreet. To get there we hobbyist need to provide the ladies some sense of security - and that means sharing some personal info. If you can't do that or need to try to game the process then there is always match.com

We all know the jerks are on here, even if they hide and don't tell the ladies they book. Seems they behave when wanting an appointment.

Hi Ss,

because you might think he would want to explore his fetish side!! If I see that the lady offers a fetish. that I like, on her website, I will explore said fetish!! If i don't see that she offers fetish sessions I will not ask her about it , until after I've seen her a few times!! If she doesn't offer fetish sessions & I enjoy the experience w/her , I will continue to see her!

How would you possibly know they behave?

Hmmm....Me thinks SS is full of shit  LOL

But then I like to occasionally explore the darkside with my clients to keep things fresh.
I don't need much from a reference, but to know a client is safe.

Hi SS,

Thank goodness nice guys don't finish last! I was told by a well reviewed lady that she read my posts & liked what she read!!

I'll bet it's the same gal that told me the exact same thing

Amazing how some love ya...some hate ya...most don't give a shit at all  

But then there are some...that just can't stay away from drama  LOL

Hey, sorry about the other day.
I was sick. I turn into a big fucking baby when I have the flu.
Took what you posted the wrong way.
After looking at it again. I realized I'm a douche.

Hi London,

on how to circumvent your reference practices!! As you stated in your first post!!

We may have...I get plenty of PM's from the hookers there

Only one thus far has not liked CPA's posts...but then she also was recently busted for prostitution...Go figure  LOL

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I see a lot of providers that only accept references from providers that are in their network of friends.  I guess in that case, they probably don't say much because they already know each other.

And apparently Preferred 411 is hit or miss.  Some providers don't even accept their listings.

No way "around" anything. It is one or the other with me. No TER ID with at least 10 reviews? Full name and employment, and I am not going to just google it lol.

You can skype with him...would that work?

He should find someone who does and I am all for someone wanting to express a side that might not be the norm but please choose the right person to do it with.

If a potential client is so far from what I offer or can deal with what is the point booking that person...neither of us will have a good time.

Trust me, that's why there are ladies that offer just about everything.

S I really don't see the point to your post in so far as I am concerned. I am not telling anyone NOT to explore, just to explore with someone who is happy and willing and might even share the same desire.

However I will say the opposite can occur...and this is NOT aimed at you, but there is another side to this. A guy can be sweet as pie on here and an asshole in real life. Just as a guy can be an asshole on here and a nice guy in real life.

Both these guys have to behave or they don't get laid and word would spread like wildfire...unfortunately sometimes first impressions are lasting and no matter what one gets told about a board douche, it can be very difficult to overlook the behavior and see them.

You really need to work on those memory skills.

YOU babble nearly every time that YOU don't see TER johnnie boys...but now you're alluding to the fact that you do.

So...which is it?

Stick to a plausible story...even if it's bullshit  

It takes a big person to apologize. I know I am not the lady you are directing this to, but thanks for being a decent human being. And I hope you feel better THoC....

You've shit on enough folks here.

But we know you won't...you don't have to!

Posted By: saturnsky

It takes a big person to apologize. I know I am not the lady you are directing this to, but thanks for being a decent human being. And I hope you feel better THoC....

if you are going to orgasm five times? : )  


Sorry - I am amusing myself today!

Hey, you guys can't or don't think this guy is for real? Posting"this is how you trick providers?" What a maroon! Eom

What is the purpose of tricking a provider to see you?  If you have preferences she does not share, how does it help you to trick a woman?  Do you think she is going to suddenly do something that she does not like?  What happens if she says, "no, she is not going to do the act you have requested?"

Checking references isn't just about making sure you are clean and not LE.  She has to make sure she isn't going to be raped or dead.  To see a provider under false pretenses is just bad news.

Dear Ms. Rayne:
How would you determine what providers you would talk to and what types of questions you would ask? Would it be by the content of the reviews that they would post here or on other sites? If so do you tend to develop questions predicated on the content of reviews or because you have between 350 and say 500 dates during the course of your companionship career do you have other items to inquire about that would be predicated on your on personal experiences with the myriad of personality types that you have encountered over the years?

Hi CPA,

.. of affection was a hologram! The reason Te'o had a poor performance in the BCS Championship game was that he was tackling imaginary football players!!

I'm here all week!!  Tip those waitresses

The flu isn't fun, and I hope you're feeling better.
xoxo

to do something they would not want to do.  Duh, you think I would see a Provider who does not do anal and then say at that date I want anal.  You poor dumb bastard.  Ridgetucky is nothing if not a gentleman (a very nasty gentleman but a gentleman nonetheless)

The point is that some of these Providers have somehow got it into their head that if you see a Provider who will take a GS, anal, facial and swallow it then you are just too nasty for them and they will not take your appointment no matter how many references you have.  When I want to piss on a woman I want a woman who enjoys it completely.

Thus, the need for two sets of references.  The vanilla reference list and the nasty reference list.  This practice has not failed me yet.  Oh, you want employment verification shit no problem.  You want my boss's # (the guy has 9 kids - I think he probably does more hobbying than me just to get out of the damn house).  Or do you want the HR employment verification # (Fortune 500 company - they will verify my employment in under 30 seconds flat).  So I am good either way we go.

But leave it to the Trailer Park Detective London Rayne to inject her brand of BS into the story.  Listen honey I have been treatin trix since 1996.  I know this game backwards and forwards.  THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ABOUT HOBBYING IS MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh some of you can delude yourself into all this sensual experience bullshit.  But once I send that email with the subject line 2 hour appoint request (i.e, $600-700) Ridgetucky Rolls ON.

P.S.

Getting Lucky With Ridgetucky Tour 2013.

(Any ladies who want to get travel expenses paid for a full day session PM me)  You can be naughty or nice - you decide whether you want to be vanilla or nasty.  It's all good.



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I could buy your trailer park and still have money left over to pay your dumb ass tricks lol. I thought you were a banker in Ohio? Yea, props genius. Of course the hobby is only about money to who? Um, maybe women who have to work every day to pay the rent lol. Last time I checked, most here turn down more than we make, so sit on that one sparky.

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did you not get that in you one room schoolhouse education in the swamp land.  

Over the last 10 years most investment banks have been bought by banks.  I would explain it to you but I don't have the time and you don't have the intellect.

Listen honey I have 2 degrees (not that it matters).  The point in stating that is this I am not rich but I certainly want for nothing.  

In finance there is something called capital markets.  Not going to explain it here but you probably wouldn't understand because I don't speak your native language (trailer park dialect).  Wall Street is a euphemism.  The flow of money between entities can happen anywhere in this country not just Wall Street.  In fact Wall Street has not been the center of finance in over a decade.  Inexpensive telephony broke the monopoly held by Wall Street bankers.  Money that comes from Cleveland is just as good as money that comes from NYC, Chicago or LA.  Got that?  I have NEVER once referred to myself as a Wall Street banker.  I don't need to.  

So what punishment did he get? Pistol whipping? Non-stop bitching? All of the above?

Hell, if you'll see that asshole, you'll see anyone. I mean, how much worse could it get?

Outrageous, what a biatch! OK, LR, you win, give me your full name and employment and maybe I'll consider seeing you. All depends on your criminal background check like how many people you shot and how many of them died. The more the better.

Here's my info, knock yourself out:

Full Name: Polish Prickster aka Polish P*ssy
Employment: Male porn star, silicone valley
Cock: 9" long, 3" thick while limp
Ass: wiped
Balls: just hanging around
Tranny: not sure
Fetishes: love sticking c*ck in p*ussy, I know, horrible, horrible

Google away baby, have fun!

crazyshit who actually does work ON Wall Street, had already posted this same crap, but it was much more humorous. What Ivy League school in freaking Ohio did you attend half wit, because last I checked Tulane was not a one room school house. It's not freaking Little House on The Prairie around here, and New Orleans is one of the Top cities to visit. Who the fk wants to visit Ohio for anything other than the hobby? Lame...

I have never been to a trailer park, much less lived in one but do find it funny that is your only comeback. Here's a hint...the photos of my lake HOUSE are on my blog lol. And no, I am not renting it. You are educated (maybe) but you're far from intelligent, and even less of a sophisticate. It is no wonder only certain women in the hobby WILL see you...birds of a feather I suppose. Don't you have a 10 man gang bang to throw together...gee, would love to see the "remains" of that poor girl.

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Hi London,

Darn, I was going to check & see If Melissa Gilbert was around during Super Bowl week

I am going google now just to see what I find. It might be the "Vitter" end for us both lol.

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Some provider will fuck you up for that, all of us aren't as docile as you guys think. Just saying..

You mean I have to write 5 fake reviews just so I can see you?! (Wait, wait! I didn't really say that, did I)
Hmmm maybe since I'm only the .5 in your 19.5 guys, half the reviews is enough! Bwahaha!

Ah who am I kidding? You're not coming to Hawaii anyway. Not even for a large frosty!

1a. If so, can you give me the exact measurements of his penis, down to 1/10 of a cm?
1b. Was the ruler one of those flexible ones? If so, did you measure the girth, and can I get that?
2. Did his balls hang low? Did they fall into the snow?

Honestly, I don't care to discuss the details of my verification process. If you're a good client, you get a good reference. If you were questionable or just downright someone I didn't like, I'll tell them that as well. I'm not going to assume that just because you wrote a reference for someone who offers fetish that you even did such an appointment, unless she's a pro-Domme and not an escort. If you're concerned, mention you're not looking for a fetish appointment.

I don't need an exact measurement, but I will decline even "Above Average" or "thick." This is why I am not busy lol.