Used to be, "back in the day," engaging in "BBFS" was considered akin to playing "Russian Roulette," especially due to the advent of the potentially lethal "A.I.D.S." virus.  

Knock yourself out.    

Could not be more on the same boat lolo. While it still seems more of a rarity, just to even see it advertised a few times has made me wonder.

Just because there is a treatment for HIV doesn't mean you want to risk getting it.  Same with all the other little bugs floating around.  We all have to make our own choices about it, but if you have a SO at home, it's just too risky in my opinion.

Of shit you can get from doing that. From as uncomfortable as a q tip in the dick followed by a shot in the ass, to a full on death sentence... and enough in between to make your head spin. I wouldn't do it....
If I were dating a girl, I'd have to know her really well, before that might happen. With a pro....never. If shes offering it as an option, then you have no idea what could be lurking there. Even showing a test from a day ago doesnt mean you're safe, as it can take awhile to show in a test...even though you're already infected. I've already said that I would trust a pro more than a civie girl....but that means I trust her to make better decisions than the average chick at the bar who gets an itch in her pussy and decides to take a cock home for the night.
So....is it not still Russian Roulette"?

Very stupid.  Nobody should be doing this.  I would never see a lady that advertises BBFS.  Poor judgement and nothing to lose attitude.  Nuts.

I also don't need to suddenly become baby daddy.

Pun INTENDED!  

Just bringing up the topic since I believe it's becoming more and more COMMON amongst many in the "game."

I think it comes down to TWO factors -  
1. diminished ability to contract "A.I.D.S" from it, and if so, the availability of effective treatment for it;  
2. COMPETITION, pure and simple.
If the "GND pro" is gonna offer it, it puts INEVITABLE pressure on others to offer that option as well.
As for "testing," I assume mainly older, more experienced "pros" go through with it, not the younger crowd, with the "kids" feeling INVINCIBLE, as most of us do at that age.  

... also plays a significant role in whether one engages in that activity as well.
Then again, if you're in the game with an "S.O." in your life, aren't you engaging in RISKY behavior, with possible negative consequences, already?  

should be doing MANY things including - driving drunk, abusing opioids, eating fast food, etc., and yet they do, and unfortunately, it still has repercussions on those who DON'T.

for marginal providers who can't make a living without catering to the bottom-feeders.  Its the only way to compete with the classy DDG gals.  I see it in the Asian market as well.  Homely girls who wouldn't have lasted two weeks in LA a few years ago are making a decent living for a short period of time by putting BBFS on their menu.

have sensitivity issues using a traditional condom.  This is why FC's are the answer.  You get better sensitivity, and as Lexi pointed out on another thread, the FC minimizes skin to skin contact much more than a tradition male condom.  

HIV virus is real and there is no "A.I.D.S." virus.

It was one of the industries "worst kept secrets" that many of the OTHFB's who had years of getting 8-8 reviews who all of a sudden at age 45 started getting 10-10s were getting those high scores by providing "special services" for those high reviews.

to improve their looks between 20 and their early 30's when they reach full maturity sexually, but its rare for them to KEEP improving into their 40's and 50's.  The natural order is for looks to decline while its possible that service can go up as providers get more experience, but there is no explanation for them BOTH going up, with the possible exception of great plastic surgery, absent your observation about UTR BBFS.  

>The reason STDs are not a huge problem is most people in America get tested or see their doctors regularly to catch stuff and treat it.

“ The reason STDs are not a huge problem is most people in America get tested or see their doctors regularly to catch stuff and treat it.”

But in the short term, in the now most would say, "Fuck yeah". C'mon most guys think with the lil head and get caught up in the moment...so let's cut the shit. It's done/covet more then we know.  
And to say "old" hookers use this as a last gasp, look at some SA boards. Most guys love them young and dumb because they're probably the most vulnerable and BBFS is on the table.
And in my book, girls on SA are "hookers". $$$ for sex is..???

WHO TF appointed you official grammarian of "T.E.R.?"

It's a genetic defect that manifests as an inability to resist the inappropriate use of quotation marks and/or all-caps. He can't help himself so all we can do is feel sorry for him on the outside while we laugh at him on the inside.

First off you state your premise that AIDS did not become as rampant and lethal as we were initially warned it would be.  In fact it did.  Moreover in certain populations HIV is on the rise.  These include states that did not expand Medicaid, black women and strangely Long Beach CA.

In the non Asian market it is often given to a few well paying regulars. All parties get tested. There has never been a breakout of HIV or other diseases.  

And he has asked me to tell you he won't waste his time on a twit like dododuncer who seems to WANT to be annoying. In case you haven't been following things around here as Conan has, poster after poster has told dodo he's a pain in the ass on a number of levels with no game and the vocabulary of a 12-year-old. But he's relentlessly defensive and seems to like these little rhetorical flourishes, though it's hard to see why.
My advice is, don't waste your breath.
Now cue up dodo, who also has a craving to always have the last word. Which is why we call him  LWdodo.

FC2s are a game changer for any guy who wants increased sensation. Feels like BB but with more than full coverage, assuming you get the right lube in the right amount.

But I will pass on BBFS. Heck I was dating a girl for 3 weeks.  First couple times we used a condom.  The she said she was on the pill and ready to go BB.  I said no until we both got tested.  

"Bare" "Back" "Full" "Service" "don't" "knock" "it" "until" "you" "try" "it"

This "ink whatever the fuck" guy at least has HALF a brain, and HALF of that appears to be OPERATIONAL, as he made two VALID points - 1. DON'T waste your breath, or time CORRECTING my grammar/punctuation; and 2. I must have the LAST word.

Well, I never claimed to "know it all."  Maybe A LOT, but not all, hence using a board like this to gather info from those parties who would be BETTER informed than myself.

Eh, eh..., I "SEE" what "you" did "there!"  LOL!  

... I've yet to see a guy come on here and admit, "Yeah, I do "BBFS" and I LOVE it.  Wouldn't have it any other way!"

I had bbfs for 21 yrs with my ex wife. Most expensive piece of ass I ever had!

Shecky Greene will be appearing at the "Tahoe Lounge" all week!

Couldn't agree more

I suppose you could say that "young and dumb" hookers/SB's use it as a "first gasp" lol

Going bare is far more riskier for a female than a male. Whether it's contracting HIV or pretty much any other STD.
Going bare if you're in your 70s is less risky than in your 30s since you're closer (actuarially) to death  anyway.
check your local health department statistics and you may find certain demographics are at higher risk.

... even the CREEPY one about going bare "in your 70s since you're closer to death anyway!"  

Of course she was an EX AMP girl at the time. I met her when she worked at an AMP, we played covered of course, and then shortly after we met as hooker/john we started dating became BF/GF, she quit the AMP and got a job at one of the legal brothels in Northern Nevada.

Hx like you are, the risk goes up several-fold.  When BP was seized by the Feds, Hx moved downmarket to target the street hooker/pimp market to fill the void.  Now ITS the high-risk place to find hookers.  When you're spending $3000 a month on low-priced street girls, that's a hell of a lot of unique exposures when you're going bare with ALL of them, as you claim.  You might as well play Russian roulette with a revolver.  It will get you where you seem to be headed much faster and with less suffering.  

Absolutely not. There is so much you can still get.

About your random caps and quotes.  It’s obvious you don’t care about what others think, but you probably should if you are trying to get a cogent point across.  Such randomness is distracting to others and apparently to you as well since you disagreed with your own statement, not mine.  

is another reason to never give a provider your real ID.

... I recently encountered a legitimate "pro" who offered "BBFS," albeit DISCRETELY.
The CATCH was, she wanted a PHOTO i.d., along with proof of employment.
Although tempting, no way was I gonna risk her getting BACK to me in case "something" happened.
NO way...

Your presupposition that STD treatment has gotten better is false. Bacteria and Viruses evolve on very short timescales. We have more stuff to catch than ever, and it's getting less treatable, not more. The only real advancement is PrEP, which is effective against the current strains of HIV, but it's not a guarantee, and neither are the antivirals.

Someone really should start a thread, or a long, DETAILED post about HOW it's used.
I'm sure many have heard OF it, but are not sure HOW to use it.  

It's a prescription drug. Just do what your doctor tells you to do and call it a day. No need to take the advice that strangers offer on the internet in this instance

which of course is to NOT take the advice of strangers on the internet where it comes to medical advice.

I don't mind what other people want to call it. I prefer to keep it all-business, so it's service providers and customers. Keeps things simple.

Low-key compared to all the big-mouths here, but is often the voice of reason on a variety of subjects discussed here.  

Expecting honesty from an inherently dishonest activity?  Is that realistic?  Providers/hookers/escorts/ladies and mongers/tricks/johns all play the game and play games.  We use burner phones, are reluctant to use real names, pay cash, wonder if we are gonna get ripped off.  We all lie about who we are, where we live, where we work, what we do.   Think about the foundations of this thing.  No one should act surprised at what goes on.  My own personal experience: most escorts will do bbfs and more, for a whole bunch of reasons, none of which include "for the love of the game".  Most escorts and us mongers/tricks/johns have issues.   We are all crazy and are here for our own reasons.  Why then are we surprised when the sex gets crazy?  The numbers of escorts who do bbfs shouldn't surprise anyone.  The numbers of guys who ask for it shouldn't surprise anyone either.  There should be no soap boxes here.  I was going to say high horses, but drug references are too real to be funny, because we all know drug issues push escorts to push the envelope.  

Unless its with  your Significant  Other...  

Are you so fucking bored that you needed to start a train wreck thread?

Gotta admit, that's some WEAK "sauce" (sorry, "sauce!").  

NOT to have YOUR approval.
How could I have lived on this planet SO many years without it?  
BTW, how does it feel to live your life walking around being a feminine hygiene product?
You know, being a DOUCHEBAG?
Inquiring minds want to know!  

Hmm..., that would be kinda HOT.  
SICK..., but still..., kinda hot!  

An opinion needn't be anchored by FACT.
It is simply an OPINION, and is not subject to the veracities that a FACT is.
MY opinion, one which is shared by MANY, is that the "A.I.D.S" virus, at least in the U.S., and the rest of the WESTERN world, did not turn out to be the APOCALYPTIC, deadly contagion it was once promoted to be.
I'm old enough to remember when Magic Johnson announced he had A.I.D.S.
It was a MAJOR, breaking news story that preempted ALL other programming.
People thought he had DAYS to live, and some fellow athletes refused to play with him.
If that were to happen TODAY, it probably would be relegated to the "sports" section of the news, and otherwise be no big whup.
That represents a MAJOR sea change, my friend, in HOW we think about A.I.D.S. and WHY some "pros" are out here offering BBFS, even ADVERTISING that they do.
Oh, and as for YOU or anyone ELSE being BOTHERED by my (supposedly) "RANDOM" caps/quotes, if you can't tell already...I really DON'T give a FUCK.
Peace out, brah...

I went to a Catholic grade and high school.  There were Nuns everywhere.  I've never ever had a sexual fantasy for a nun, and not because of religious reasons.  These were the nuttiest misfits that ever walked the earth.  Even my dear sainted religious mom said they went into the convent because they couldn't hack the real world.  

But not so the civie teachers.  Think of a  young teen having to sit in class and look all day at some MILF teacher with big boobs.  It's kind of a denial torture.

You're welcome.

No, you're missing the whole POINT of the "fantasy."
I also went to Catholic school, and yes, NONE of these nuns would've won ANY beauty pageants.
Nah, what I'm suggesting is a HOT chick in one of those traditional nun's habits.
Yeah, that's more like it.  

It would just remind me of those sourpusses.

Theres a word for opinions not based upon facts and that word is bullshit.  You just go ahead and continue on your quest for continued public displays of lunacy, though.

"...no thanks on YOU education?"
You sure you don't want HELP, especially when it comes to GRAMMAR, "Jinx?"  LOL!  

A "train wreck" thread that you RESPONDED to, nevertheless?  (smh...)
As for arguing PRO "bbfs," one could posit that no matter how THIN a condom, it's NEVER going to feel quite like going "commando."
The question, which I started this "train wreck" (to use your term) of a thread with, still remains... is it WORTH it?  

What are you gonna do..., PISS your pants, and go running to MOMMY?
GTFOH, son!  

... LARGE GIFs, that take up precious space on a thread, are NOT?
Right.  (smh...).

I'd bet around 25% of the guys saying they don't engage in bb actually seek it out.   I'd also say about 70% of all the guys (total) that use hookers ask for it.   As far as the escorts, I'd bet that 85% plus offer it, at least to regulars.  I'm not buying the "not me" stories.  I'm sure there are some guys and escorts  who steer clear but they are a definite minority.  

Have been told, they won't even do BBBJs.  CBJs or nothing.  AND DFK is also off the table.

and treatments may have fooled some of the younger generation into thinking that AIDS is not a serious issue. I am old enough to have lost friends from this terrible disease in my lifetime. I will never ever ever offer BBFS and I strongly discourage anyone else from doing it. Whatever money you think you will gain, it's not worth losing your health or your life.

Annoying, yes. But even more annoying is your juvenile idiocy and relentless keyboard diarrhea.
As for gifs, I'm glad to see you don't like them. So here's another....
Face it. You're a douche.

on a thread????"   Are you smoking weed?  Where did you hear that ANY thread will only hold a limited number of posts?  That's the first time anyone's ever said something THAT dumb here.  The threads  keep going until interest dies or Admin closes it for whatever reason, and even then , they are still here in chron order from the date of the last post.

Most people will add quotes or CAPS for emphasis from time to time, but not every other fucking word like you do.

with people who try to straighten him out on his posting.   Don't expect any gratitude even though your suggestion would be immensely helpful in moving his posts from third grade level to sixth grade.

...would have brought that education and lesson here, but I have guessed wrong. Good thing you stopped posting over there and thus sent the average IQ of the posters skyrocketing when you did.

Me too

Actually....

risk from her having your ID than going bare with a girl that offers it to everyone on her menu, "albeit discretely."  You're one of those guys that believe sales pitches about something being rare, right?  She's reeling you in and you took the hook like a complete moron.  Newsflash . . . . when they say "discretely", it just means they don't want YOU to tell anyone.  THEY will tell everyone.  

They say that the reason the CURRENT commander in chief has a habit of calling others OFFENSIVE names is that he's PROJECTING to the world what he thinks of HIMSELF.
I'm beginning to think the same applies to YOU, bro, because damn..., if you don't come across as a complete MORON yourself (to use YOUR term).
When I said the "lady" in question was "DISCRETE," it's because she WAS.
I never said HOW. (smh...)

but fortunately, they are in a rapidly decreasing minority.  "Projection" is also favored millennial-speak.  Are you a millennial, or an older guy just pretending to be one so people here will understand why you're not too bright?  I only keep about one out of ten millennials that I hire in my business.  Very few are as intelligent and capable as they think they are.  30-year-olds still living with their parents are losers unless they are taking care of older parents in poor health.  Very few fit that description.  

I'm gonna chime in here, and forgive me if I'm wrong ...but it seems as though you are really deadset on going skinny dipping. Well, I dont think anyone is going to dissuade you from this endeavor, and actually...far be it from anyone to try. It's your money, your dick, your health, your life. So... vote your conscience.  
And to address another statement you made earlier in the thread as to guys not admitting they've done it....you're probably right.
And they're probably smart not admitting it as I'm sure if another prospective provider may balk at seeing them, knowing they would take a large scale risk like that.
I wont sit here and say that I dont miss going natural...sure I do! The condom had to be invented by a woman, cuz no man would ever do that to their dick! They suck!! It's like fucking a dry dish glove....or so I would assimilate, not having first hand experience of a dish glove. And theres definitely a dissociative factor using a condom, as far as the " experience" goes, but that's just how it is.  
And I cant sit here and say that if I were seeing a pro for a lengthy amount of time, and that option became available, that i would have the clarity that i do at this moment. I speak of it as happening " off the cuff", as a completely random act, and not something that had been previously discussed. I can say, however...that it would absolutely never happen with a provider who offered it as an option....discreetly or otherwise.
And the notion that a woman who was out of my league in my prime, suddenly offering me her " holy grail" in my winter years, is akin to the odds of me hitting the lottery....3 times.
Its not gonna happen.

Unfortunately, gentlemen asking for bbfs is more common than you think. I just had a guy that has multiple white list referrals on here, and on p411 try that shit....he was promptly told to GTFO. After posting an alert on screening site, and contacting several of his OK's, apparently this guy has been doing this crap for YEARS. I now have to wonder about every single lady he reviewed and received a referral from...ugh.....

I found it interesting to note that demographic that has recently exploded with STD reports are senior citizens. See article below...

Unfortunately, those seem to be on SHORT supply on this site.
No, I'm NOT "deadset on going skinny dipping," to use your phrase.
It's more like one of those things where everyone seems to be saying "Hey, the water's warm.  Jump right in."
More curious than anything WHY that option is becoming MORE prevalent now than it was 10, 20 years ago.  

"Seniors with STDs?!"  
WTF?!
Thanks for the "visuals," luv.  
Ugh!  
LOL!  

I call bullshit.  How can you even attempt to estimate?

BBFS don't last very long in one location is evidence that you are misinformed about your percentages.  Most married men do NOT want BBFS if they are still having sex with their wives, even if its only on Valentines Day and her Birthday.  "Most" escorts do not offer it.  Offering BBFS is addressing escorting as a "temporary" job.  Most professional hookers are smart enough to know they are not going to have a 15-20 year career if they are offering BBFS.  Its more likely to be low-end girls who are telling themselves they just need to make enough money for a bus ticket to Mooseturd, Montana, and are not even thinking about making sex work a career.   By those parameters, a majority of professionals do NOT offer BBFS.

on your own posts because no one else will, I see.  WHAT a fucking loser.  Bwahahahahahahaha

You can blame boner pills.

Are made up on the spot.

You're the one obsessively SHADOWING me, and yet, I'm the LOSER?
Right...

OF COURSE you are the loser here.  You keep proving it over and over.  You're making a chicken and egg argument.  Do your realized you have never failed to respond to a post of mine.  I'm shadowing you?  That's pretty rich.  Bwahahahahahaha

I'm just toying with your LAME ass.
No worries, bud.
You grow increasingly TIRESOME and UNAPPEALING, day by day.
Have at it with your clique of fellow LOSERS.
Good day.  

Enough really is enough sometimes I have to agree.

I ran into two AAMP in the New York area who were all too willing to provide BBFS. Not sure if the Korean women know something we don't know.

There is only 1 Voice of Reason here.