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But I will pass on BBFS. Heck I was dating a girl for 3 weeks.  First couple times we used a condom.  The she said she was on the pill and ready to go BB.  I said no until we both got tested.  

Used to be, "back in the day," engaging in "BBFS" was considered akin to playing "Russian Roulette," especially due to the advent of the potentially lethal "A.I.D.S." virus.  

Nowadays (perhaps because "A.I.D.S" didn't become as rampant and as lethal as we were initially warned it would be), it seems to be more and more of a possible OPTION (albeit with select "pros," and even then, with "select" clients).

Is it WORTH it to "engage" in such a "method" of "play?"

Does it matter if one treats it as a "rarity" rather than one's "M.O.?"

Or, are the RISKS (A.I.D.S., difficult to treat S.T.D.s, unwanted pregnancies) still as PRESENT as ever?

And, yes, before anyone else INEVITABLY says it, allow me this OBVIOUS pre-emptive statement -  "the SAFEST sex is NO sex."  (smh...)  

With THAT said, hopefully, now we can have a realistic, HONEST discussion.

(And could we keep "TROLLING" to a MINIMUM on this one, guys? Thanks!)

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Just bringing up the topic since I believe it's becoming more and more COMMON amongst many in the "game."

 
That's not supposition.  That's FACT, like it or not.

Could not be more on the same boat lolo. While it still seems more of a rarity, just to even see it advertised a few times has made me wonder.

Personally I’m more interested in the “what changed” part of this and from what side (client or provider). Also wondering if some of these providers go through the same testing as porn stars, though I doubt it. Not that this would prevent much, but at least they would be able to “go on a vacation” until said STI has cleared up.

I think it comes down to TWO factors -  
1. diminished ability to contract "A.I.D.S" from it, and if so, the availability of effective treatment for it;  
2. COMPETITION, pure and simple.
If the "GND pro" is gonna offer it, it puts INEVITABLE pressure on others to offer that option as well.
As for "testing," I assume mainly older, more experienced "pros" go through with it, not the younger crowd, with the "kids" feeling INVINCIBLE, as most of us do at that age.  :(

Just because there is a treatment for HIV doesn't mean you want to risk getting it.  Same with all the other little bugs floating around.  We all have to make our own choices about it, but if you have a SO at home, it's just too risky in my opinion.

... also plays a significant role in whether one engages in that activity as well.
Then again, if you're in the game with an "S.O." in your life, aren't you engaging in RISKY behavior, with possible negative consequences, already?  

Of shit you can get from doing that. From as uncomfortable as a q tip in the dick followed by a shot in the ass, to a full on death sentence... and enough in between to make your head spin. I wouldn't do it....
If I were dating a girl, I'd have to know her really well, before that might happen. With a pro....never. If shes offering it as an option, then you have no idea what could be lurking there. Even showing a test from a day ago doesnt mean you're safe, as it can take awhile to show in a test...even though you're already infected. I've already said that I would trust a pro more than a civie girl....but that means I trust her to make better decisions than the average chick at the bar who gets an itch in her pussy and decides to take a cock home for the night.
So....is it not still Russian Roulette"?

Pun INTENDED!  :)

 
Thanks, "Drumguy25," for about as CONCISE and potent an argument AGAINST engaging in "BBFS" as you're gonna read on here.

 
Particularly effective, for ME, was the mention of the "q tip in the dick."

 
Having been an unassuming recipient of such an exam over THIRTY years ago (and still remembering the pain of it like it was YESTERDAY!), it's serves as a definite deterrent against engaging in "BBFS."  :(

have sensitivity issues using a traditional condom.  This is why FC's are the answer.  You get better sensitivity, and as Lexi pointed out on another thread, the FC minimizes skin to skin contact much more than a tradition male condom.  

 
Even if men have to order FC's themselves, which I have done, it beats the hell out of the risks of going bare with a girl who has BBFS on her menu.  Mongers should not fall into the trap that because there may be an upcharge that its safer.  Its not.  

FC2s are a game changer for any guy who wants increased sensation. Feels like BB but with more than full coverage, assuming you get the right lube in the right amount.

You can play for a while, take a breather, and then go back to play some more...without needing to peel and re-apply a traditional male condom.

Yes, they're a little more expensive and harder to obtain, but if you're going to spend multiple hundreds per session, an extra couple of bucks are insignificant.

Buena suerte!

TheVoiceOfReason284 reads

Very stupid.  Nobody should be doing this.  I would never see a lady that advertises BBFS.  Poor judgement and nothing to lose attitude.  Nuts.

should be doing MANY things including - driving drunk, abusing opioids, eating fast food, etc., and yet they do, and unfortunately, it still has repercussions on those who DON'T.

I also don't need to suddenly become baby daddy.

for marginal providers who can't make a living without catering to the bottom-feeders.  Its the only way to compete with the classy DDG gals.  I see it in the Asian market as well.  Homely girls who wouldn't have lasted two weeks in LA a few years ago are making a decent living for a short period of time by putting BBFS on their menu.

 
What these women don't realize is that financial security in this biz comes from cultivating regulars who will book extended sessions and always tip for good service.  In my own observation, the mongers who pursue BBFS don't repeat much, so its next to impossible to built a reliable financial base of loyal customers.  Their game is all about the BBFS "conquest" so they are quickly onto the next girl.  

GaGambler272 reads

It was one of the industries "worst kept secrets" that many of the OTHFB's who had years of getting 8-8 reviews who all of a sudden at age 45 started getting 10-10s were getting those high scores by providing "special services" for those high reviews.

 
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that an aging hooker with 20 years in the business doesn't all of a sudden gain two points in both appearance and performance by putting in an extra hour of gym time or offering some free cookies. lol

to improve their looks between 20 and their early 30's when they reach full maturity sexually, but its rare for them to KEEP improving into their 40's and 50's.  The natural order is for looks to decline while its possible that service can go up as providers get more experience, but there is no explanation for them BOTH going up, with the possible exception of great plastic surgery, absent your observation about UTR BBFS.  

In the non Asian market it is often given to a few well paying regulars. All parties get tested. There has never been a breakout of HIV or other diseases.  

I have never heard of BBFS " conquests"  from white mongers seeing white wimmins.  

I have heard that non HIV diseases are fairly common at AAMPs that are BBFS.

my-0.02-cents317 reads

HIV virus is real and there is no "A.I.D.S." virus.

Western Medicine (R&D)  and laws made sure this didn't happen. ""A.I.D.S" didn't become as rampant and as lethal as we were initially warned it would be"  

The reason STDs are not a huge problem is most people in America get tested or see their doctors regularly to catch stuff and treat it.

Everybody in America would be infected with some STD if nobody got tested or had their STD treated.

>The reason STDs are not a huge problem is most people in America get tested or see their doctors regularly to catch stuff and treat it.

Perhaps not statistically, but what is becoming a much bigger problem is drug-resistant STDs.  
Drug-resistant syphilis or gonorrhea doesn't sound like a good thing to contract.  

And I wouldn't be so sure that most people  get tested, esp if they don't have symptoms.

“ The reason STDs are not a huge problem is most people in America get tested or see their doctors regularly to catch stuff and treat it.”

Where did you get this false information? The truth is most people never get tested. Some people get tested.

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But in the short term, in the now most would say, "Fuck yeah". C'mon most guys think with the lil head and get caught up in the moment...so let's cut the shit. It's done/covet more then we know.  
And to say "old" hookers use this as a last gasp, look at some SA boards. Most guys love them young and dumb because they're probably the most vulnerable and BBFS is on the table.
And in my book, girls on SA are "hookers". $$$ for sex is..???

GaGambler304 reads

I suppose you could say that "young and dumb" hookers/SB's use it as a "first gasp" lol

 

I would say the least likely women to offer BBFS are the "career hookers" who plan on being in this game for a long time and who realize that being careless with their health could end up with them asking "would you like fries with that?" in their next job. lol

 
And yes, girls on SA are hookers, but they are hardly the only ones in denial. How about the guys who hate being called tricks, johns et al and insist on calling themselves "hobbyists" or conversely the hookers right here on TER who think that hooker is a derisive term and insist on calling themselves providers, courtesans or the like?

I don't mind what other people want to call it. I prefer to keep it all-business, so it's service providers and customers. Keeps things simple.

 
Sure, a nun would call it something on the order of a whore/whoremonger relationship, but I doubt that any of us are proper nuns, though I'm sure more than a few could honor that outfit request.

Hmm..., that would be kinda HOT.  
SICK..., but still..., kinda hot!  ;)

I went to a Catholic grade and high school.  There were Nuns everywhere.  I've never ever had a sexual fantasy for a nun, and not because of religious reasons.  These were the nuttiest misfits that ever walked the earth.  Even my dear sainted religious mom said they went into the convent because they couldn't hack the real world.  

But not so the civie teachers.  Think of a  young teen having to sit in class and look all day at some MILF teacher with big boobs.  It's kind of a denial torture.

No, you're missing the whole POINT of the "fantasy."
I also went to Catholic school, and yes, NONE of these nuns would've won ANY beauty pageants.
Nah, what I'm suggesting is a HOT chick in one of those traditional nun's habits.
Yeah, that's more like it.  ;)

It would just remind me of those sourpusses.

However in the movie The Black Narcissus, when Sister Ruth goes crazy and gets all tarted up, now that was hot!

... LARGE GIFs, that take up precious space on a thread, are NOT?
Right.  (smh...).

Annoying, yes. But even more annoying is your juvenile idiocy and relentless keyboard diarrhea.
As for gifs, I'm glad to see you don't like them. So here's another....
Face it. You're a douche.

on a thread????"   Are you smoking weed?  Where did you hear that ANY thread will only hold a limited number of posts?  That's the first time anyone's ever said something THAT dumb here.  The threads  keep going until interest dies or Admin closes it for whatever reason, and even then , they are still here in chron order from the date of the last post.

GaGambler209 reads

Most people will add quotes or CAPS for emphasis from time to time, but not every other fucking word like you do.

 
Yes, you would still be annoying even if you didn't write like an idiot, but you would be a lot LESS annoying if you would ever learn to type like a grown up.

 
One other thing that really is not your fault. Paragraph breaks are important as to not end up with a solid block of text that gives the reader a headache to read. Many people just hit the "enter" tab once between paragraphs, or twice at the most which is fine when writing most emails or posting on most forums. Something happened in the latest upgrade of TER software which causes paragraphs to run together if you don't hit the enter button THREE times in between paragraphs. That alone will make your post so much easier to read.

with people who try to straighten him out on his posting.   Don't expect any gratitude even though your suggestion would be immensely helpful in moving his posts from third grade level to sixth grade.

...would have brought that education and lesson here, but I have guessed wrong. Good thing you stopped posting over there and thus sent the average IQ of the posters skyrocketing when you did. ;)

First off you state your premise that AIDS did not become as rampant and lethal as we were initially warned it would be.  In fact it did.  Moreover in certain populations HIV is on the rise.  These include states that did not expand Medicaid, black women and strangely Long Beach CA.

I have been told that some ladies will offer bbfs if YOU comply with the porn industry testing protocol and bring your test results.  I don’t know if that includes them showing you theirs or not.  Just know that in the US at least 14% of people with HIV don’t know they have it.

These are still fairly alarming statistics.  Obviously no sex equals no risk but that is only part of the equation. Its really just a math problem.  The more sex you have with strangers (and make no mistake thats what we are all doing here) the higher the transmission risk.

There is also an emotional layer to condom use.  Some people feel it is a symbolic barrier to becoming too intimate and keep things on a purely professional level.  Going bare is for significant others only.

So it basically comes down to your own risk tolerance, how well you know your partner and your own self control.  If it all adds up to you both then there really shouldn’t be anything stopping you from doing it

Well, I never claimed to "know it all."  Maybe A LOT, but not all, hence using a board like this to gather info from those parties who would be BETTER informed than myself.

 
Respectfully, I have to DISAGREE with your statement that "A.I.D.S." did not become as BAD as it was implied it would be.  The only community to have suffered the FULL extent of the devastation this disease caused is the GAY community, followed by IV drug users.  Back in the day, perhaps to gather support from the GENERAL population for adequate funding/support, I remember the implication being that this was going to be a full fledged EPIDEMIC, with MILLIONS at risk, including family, friends. etc.  Such an epidemic, for whatever reason, never came to pass.

 
Something tells me that MOST of those offering "BBFS" do not follow such strict protocols as "testing," perhaps believing themselves to be "invincible," as I've stated before.

 
It would be "funny," in a TRAGIC, ironic sense, if, due to the renewed prevalence of "BBFS," that a renewed BREAKOUT of diseases, including "A.I.D.S." were to occur in OUR "community," bringing along with it all the RAMIFICATIONS it would.

 
I certainly hope not...  :(

About your random caps and quotes.  It’s obvious you don’t care about what others think, but you probably should if you are trying to get a cogent point across.  Such randomness is distracting to others and apparently to you as well since you disagreed with your own statement, not mine.  

 
As far as your belief that AIDS  is not still a serious disease to the population your view doesn’t seem to get much further than your nose.  There are about 40,000 new cases per year in the US alone.  Over a million people have died from AIDS related causes here.  Worldwide almost 40 million people have AIDS.  Intravenous drug users are the smallest segment with black male to male contact currently in first place (as of 2018 at least when the last study was published).  Heterosexual contact always seems to hover around 25%.

 
In short, the WHO still considers AIDS is a pandemic.  Your opinion otherwise simply lacks any truth to it.

An opinion needn't be anchored by FACT.
It is simply an OPINION, and is not subject to the veracities that a FACT is.
MY opinion, one which is shared by MANY, is that the "A.I.D.S" virus, at least in the U.S., and the rest of the WESTERN world, did not turn out to be the APOCALYPTIC, deadly contagion it was once promoted to be.
I'm old enough to remember when Magic Johnson announced he had A.I.D.S.
It was a MAJOR, breaking news story that preempted ALL other programming.
People thought he had DAYS to live, and some fellow athletes refused to play with him.
If that were to happen TODAY, it probably would be relegated to the "sports" section of the news, and otherwise be no big whup.
That represents a MAJOR sea change, my friend, in HOW we think about A.I.D.S. and WHY some "pros" are out here offering BBFS, even ADVERTISING that they do.
Oh, and as for YOU or anyone ELSE being BOTHERED by my (supposedly) "RANDOM" caps/quotes, if you can't tell already...I really DON'T give a FUCK.
Peace out, brah... ;)

Theres a word for opinions not based upon facts and that word is bullshit.  You just go ahead and continue on your quest for continued public displays of lunacy, though.

"...no thanks on YOU education?"
You sure you don't want HELP, especially when it comes to GRAMMAR, "Jinx?"  LOL!  ;)

But I will pass on BBFS. Heck I was dating a girl for 3 weeks.  First couple times we used a condom.  The she said she was on the pill and ready to go BB.  I said no until we both got tested.  

"Bare" "Back" "Full" "Service" "don't" "knock" "it" "until" "you" "try" "it"

Eh, eh..., I "SEE" what "you" did "there!"  LOL!  ;)

Hx like you are, the risk goes up several-fold.  When BP was seized by the Feds, Hx moved downmarket to target the street hooker/pimp market to fill the void.  Now ITS the high-risk place to find hookers.  When you're spending $3000 a month on low-priced street girls, that's a hell of a lot of unique exposures when you're going bare with ALL of them, as you claim.  You might as well play Russian roulette with a revolver.  It will get you where you seem to be headed much faster and with less suffering.  

... I've yet to see a guy come on here and admit, "Yeah, I do "BBFS" and I LOVE it.  Wouldn't have it any other way!"

 
C'mon, you gonna tell me NO one on this board has ever participated in "BBFS" and would advocate for it?

 
Or is it that people are just too PARANOID, and afraid to reveal what they REALLY do?

 
If so, what's the point of a board like this, where everyone is ANONYMOUS (everyone, that is, except for "GaGambler!"  Sorry, that was TOO easy!  LOL!).

I had bbfs for 21 yrs with my ex wife. Most expensive piece of ass I ever had!

Shecky Greene will be appearing at the "Tahoe Lounge" all week!

Don't forget to try the buffet!

Good night!  

LOL!  ;)

John_Laroche261 reads

Going bare is far more riskier for a female than a male. Whether it's contracting HIV or pretty much any other STD.
Going bare if you're in your 70s is less risky than in your 30s since you're closer (actuarially) to death  anyway.
check your local health department statistics and you may find certain demographics are at higher risk.

OTOH, if you believe in herd logic, if everyone else is playing safe and you find a unicorn who is only going bare with you (so they say) it's just like the civvie world. My only bare experience in the P4P world was similar to this scenario. She did FBSM. I saw her regularly for for a few years. She went on a break and after her return the passion of the reunion got the best of us.  

During TER's US hiatus I lurked on another site that includes a dedicated BB forum. Seems very prevalent in the AAMP market in S. California. I don't play there, so I can't say whether it's OTHFABs or more widespread, but I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to seek a provider who was openly offering this service for an extra 100.

... even the CREEPY one about going bare "in your 70s since you're closer to death anyway!"  :(

My main concern, both in dealing with "pros" and "civvies" was the PREGNANCY issue, more so than the STD issue, since, with the exception of A.I.D.S., you could always treat an STD.

Pregnancy is a whole other can of worms.  

I also wouldn't necessarily "play" BB with someone who WIDELY advertises it.  

John_Laroche222 reads

is another reason to never give a provider your real ID.

... I recently encountered a legitimate "pro" who offered "BBFS," albeit DISCRETELY.
The CATCH was, she wanted a PHOTO i.d., along with proof of employment.
Although tempting, no way was I gonna risk her getting BACK to me in case "something" happened.
NO way...

risk from her having your ID than going bare with a girl that offers it to everyone on her menu, "albeit discretely."  You're one of those guys that believe sales pitches about something being rare, right?  She's reeling you in and you took the hook like a complete moron.  Newsflash . . . . when they say "discretely", it just means they don't want YOU to tell anyone.  THEY will tell everyone.  

They say that the reason the CURRENT commander in chief has a habit of calling others OFFENSIVE names is that he's PROJECTING to the world what he thinks of HIMSELF.
I'm beginning to think the same applies to YOU, bro, because damn..., if you don't come across as a complete MORON yourself (to use YOUR term).
When I said the "lady" in question was "DISCRETE," it's because she WAS.
I never said HOW. (smh...)

but fortunately, they are in a rapidly decreasing minority.  "Projection" is also favored millennial-speak.  Are you a millennial, or an older guy just pretending to be one so people here will understand why you're not too bright?  I only keep about one out of ten millennials that I hire in my business.  Very few are as intelligent and capable as they think they are.  30-year-olds still living with their parents are losers unless they are taking care of older parents in poor health.  Very few fit that description.  

 
How do you KNOW the lady IS discreet, because she told you she was?   Or was it because you haven't yet run into any of the other hundred guys she is going bare with on a regular basis?  Bwahahahahahaha

I'm gonna chime in here, and forgive me if I'm wrong ...but it seems as though you are really deadset on going skinny dipping. Well, I dont think anyone is going to dissuade you from this endeavor, and actually...far be it from anyone to try. It's your money, your dick, your health, your life. So... vote your conscience.  
And to address another statement you made earlier in the thread as to guys not admitting they've done it....you're probably right.
And they're probably smart not admitting it as I'm sure if another prospective provider may balk at seeing them, knowing they would take a large scale risk like that.
I wont sit here and say that I dont miss going natural...sure I do! The condom had to be invented by a woman, cuz no man would ever do that to their dick! They suck!! It's like fucking a dry dish glove....or so I would assimilate, not having first hand experience of a dish glove. And theres definitely a dissociative factor using a condom, as far as the " experience" goes, but that's just how it is.  
And I cant sit here and say that if I were seeing a pro for a lengthy amount of time, and that option became available, that i would have the clarity that i do at this moment. I speak of it as happening " off the cuff", as a completely random act, and not something that had been previously discussed. I can say, however...that it would absolutely never happen with a provider who offered it as an option....discreetly or otherwise.
And the notion that a woman who was out of my league in my prime, suddenly offering me her " holy grail" in my winter years, is akin to the odds of me hitting the lottery....3 times.
Its not gonna happen.

Unless you've been seeing the lady for quite sometime, I cant believe that this is a " just for you" offer, and there are probably others who enjoy the benefits of that " upgrade" as well.
The issue is not even how much do you trust this provider. It's how much can you trust any of her other clients?  
Providers see men from all walks of life as far as financial means, social status, what have you...
And while they probably prefer the jet set, I'm sure they'd see a bricklayer, as long as he was clean, respectful, and the envelope had the right weight. So....you just have to ask yourself...." Do I Feel Lucky?"
Well...do ya?

Unfortunately, those seem to be on SHORT supply on this site.
No, I'm NOT "deadset on going skinny dipping," to use your phrase.
It's more like one of those things where everyone seems to be saying "Hey, the water's warm.  Jump right in."
More curious than anything WHY that option is becoming MORE prevalent now than it was 10, 20 years ago.  

GaGambler292 reads

Of course she was an EX AMP girl at the time. I met her when she worked at an AMP, we played covered of course, and then shortly after we met as hooker/john we started dating became BF/GF, she quit the AMP and got a job at one of the legal brothels in Northern Nevada.

 
I don't know how much you guys know about the legal brothels, but those girls not only have to play 100% safe while on the job, they also get tested more often than lab rats. lol She would work a week or two at a time and then come home for a week or two of vacation, when we decided to skip the condom I NEVER felt safer going bare with another woman in my life. My chances of getting hit by a meteor WHILE having sex with her were greater than me catching anything from her. lol

 
Now going bareback with every random hooker you meet is a completely different story of course. I have been with literally THOUSANDS of different women who collectively have most like been with MILLIONS of other guys. If I had gone BB with every one of these women not only would I have died from AIDS decades ago, but my dick most likely would have rotted off first. rofl.  That said, to pretend BBFS doesn't happen in this business is both naïve and foolish, especially the hookers who claim that they have NEVER EVER had BB sex with ANYONE, but they have three kids. lmao

Once-Is-Not-Enough209 reads

Have been told, they won't even do BBBJs.  CBJs or nothing.  AND DFK is also off the table.

 
Knew of a provider who would not even do a HJ, unless she wore rubber gloves.  Talk about a mood killer!

 
Perfect example of a lady who must end up with NO follow-up clients.  Wonder if she will decide to wear a surgical mask during her appointments as well.

 
Safe is safe.  But ridiculous is ridiculous.

I ran into two AAMP in the New York area who were all too willing to provide BBFS. Not sure if the Korean women know something we don't know.

Absolutely not. There is so much you can still get.

Your presupposition that STD treatment has gotten better is false. Bacteria and Viruses evolve on very short timescales. We have more stuff to catch than ever, and it's getting less treatable, not more. The only real advancement is PrEP, which is effective against the current strains of HIV, but it's not a guarantee, and neither are the antivirals.

 

Personally, I don't go BB with anyone on a casual level. The times when I'm seriously dating someone, as I am now, I'll have that conversation, which encompasses us both getting tested and talking about serious birth control and being honest about seeing other people.

I would never in a million years, or for a million dollars, risk my health just so lil sauce can blow his load in a half hour instead of 45 minutes. It's just not worth it.

Someone really should start a thread, or a long, DETAILED post about HOW it's used.
I'm sure many have heard OF it, but are not sure HOW to use it.  

It's a prescription drug. Just do what your doctor tells you to do and call it a day. No need to take the advice that strangers offer on the internet in this instance

GaGambler255 reads

which of course is to NOT take the advice of strangers on the internet where it comes to medical advice.

 
Who knows, you might be taking advice from someone as stupendously dumb as lolo himself. ROFL

Low-key compared to all the big-mouths here, but is often the voice of reason on a variety of subjects discussed here.  

TheVoiceOfReason161 reads

There is only 1 Voice of Reason here.

Gotta admit, that's some WEAK "sauce" (sorry, "sauce!").  ;)

Expecting honesty from an inherently dishonest activity?  Is that realistic?  Providers/hookers/escorts/ladies and mongers/tricks/johns all play the game and play games.  We use burner phones, are reluctant to use real names, pay cash, wonder if we are gonna get ripped off.  We all lie about who we are, where we live, where we work, what we do.   Think about the foundations of this thing.  No one should act surprised at what goes on.  My own personal experience: most escorts will do bbfs and more, for a whole bunch of reasons, none of which include "for the love of the game".  Most escorts and us mongers/tricks/johns have issues.   We are all crazy and are here for our own reasons.  Why then are we surprised when the sex gets crazy?  The numbers of escorts who do bbfs shouldn't surprise anyone.  The numbers of guys who ask for it shouldn't surprise anyone either.  There should be no soap boxes here.  I was going to say high horses, but drug references are too real to be funny, because we all know drug issues push escorts to push the envelope.  

Unless its with  your Significant  Other...  

Living Luving & Laughing

Are you so fucking bored that you needed to start a train wreck thread?

Rolling on with train wreck...  for the older guys like me, there are Japanese condoms so thin that you almost don’t feel you’re wearing a condom.  Like 001’s or 003’s.  I’m not worried about getting anyone pregnant because my baby making days are long over (snip-snip).  So why should I open myself up to a Petrie-dish pussy (love that term that a lady used)?  I’ve never had an STD and I don’t plan on getting one.

Now go back to jerking off to hooker sites...

A "train wreck" thread that you RESPONDED to, nevertheless?  (smh...)
As for arguing PRO "bbfs," one could posit that no matter how THIN a condom, it's NEVER going to feel quite like going "commando."
The question, which I started this "train wreck" (to use your term) of a thread with, still remains... is it WORTH it?  ;)

I'd bet around 25% of the guys saying they don't engage in bb actually seek it out.   I'd also say about 70% of all the guys (total) that use hookers ask for it.   As far as the escorts, I'd bet that 85% plus offer it, at least to regulars.  I'm not buying the "not me" stories.  I'm sure there are some guys and escorts  who steer clear but they are a definite minority.  

TheVoiceOfReason248 reads

I call bullshit.  How can you even attempt to estimate?

BBFS don't last very long in one location is evidence that you are misinformed about your percentages.  Most married men do NOT want BBFS if they are still having sex with their wives, even if its only on Valentines Day and her Birthday.  "Most" escorts do not offer it.  Offering BBFS is addressing escorting as a "temporary" job.  Most professional hookers are smart enough to know they are not going to have a 15-20 year career if they are offering BBFS.  Its more likely to be low-end girls who are telling themselves they just need to make enough money for a bus ticket to Mooseturd, Montana, and are not even thinking about making sex work a career.   By those parameters, a majority of professionals do NOT offer BBFS.

and treatments may have fooled some of the younger generation into thinking that AIDS is not a serious issue. I am old enough to have lost friends from this terrible disease in my lifetime. I will never ever ever offer BBFS and I strongly discourage anyone else from doing it. Whatever money you think you will gain, it's not worth losing your health or your life.

Unfortunately, gentlemen asking for bbfs is more common than you think. I just had a guy that has multiple white list referrals on here, and on p411 try that shit....he was promptly told to GTFO. After posting an alert on screening site, and contacting several of his OK's, apparently this guy has been doing this crap for YEARS. I now have to wonder about every single lady he reviewed and received a referral from...ugh.....

I found it interesting to note that demographic that has recently exploded with STD reports are senior citizens. See article below...

"Seniors with STDs?!"  
WTF?!
Thanks for the "visuals," luv.  
Ugh!  
LOL!  ;)

on your own posts because no one else will, I see.  WHAT a fucking loser.  Bwahahahahahahaha

You're the one obsessively SHADOWING me, and yet, I'm the LOSER?
Right...

OF COURSE you are the loser here.  You keep proving it over and over.  You're making a chicken and egg argument.  Do your realized you have never failed to respond to a post of mine.  I'm shadowing you?  That's pretty rich.  Bwahahahahahaha

I'm just toying with your LAME ass.
No worries, bud.
You grow increasingly TIRESOME and UNAPPEALING, day by day.
Have at it with your clique of fellow LOSERS.
Good day.  ;)

John_Laroche229 reads

You can blame boner pills.

 
and that women live longer than men in general.
All it takes is one horny octogenarian to hook up with a skank street walker and take the clap back to his senior living center where he happily spreads it to a half-dozen lonely, slutty widows.

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