My dentist charges 20 bucks and has never enforced it.

I would strongly disagree with your decision to give in to her, but of course it's your decision to make.

Over the course of many years in this hobby I have endured starting an appointment 30-45 minutes late because a girl wasn't ready on countless occasions, and have been just plain flaked on - as in showing up at the hotel and after a text for the room number gotten zero response. Either case means a waste of my income earning time at my office, so does that mean I am entitled to a cancellation policy "requiring" the lady to pay me my normal hourly billing rate for the time she wasted? Of course not, so while I can appreciate that if a trip is made especially for a client and he cancels last minute he should make it right, if appropriate, it's important to understand it happens to hobbyist as well, and with some frequency I might add. No one however, ever seems to mention the provider who is late or no shows owning the gentleman a thing.  

Plus I would think the full fee would be appropriate If she had her cancellation policy displayed on her *booking page* and verfication site so you would know it going in. Most ladies I know with strict cancellation policies also have it in their confirmation email to their clients. The fact that you didn't even book 24 hours in advance and as you stated, you were asleep during most of the 12 hours so IMO she should cut you a bit of slack here.

Had you cancelled prior to the 12 hour mark, I'd totally agree with you. The fact that it was at the 12 hour mark, she is in the right. Respectfully, it is irrelevant that she told you her evening is free. Us ladies get inquiries at all hours requesting future appointments at an unpredictable rate. Not only did she lose money by you cancelling, she lost money from the other gentlemen who may have booked her for that upcoming evening. However........

Real men honor their obligations, period. You booked with her with her site stating canceling after a certain point would result in you being obligated to pay the full amount. You then canceled after the stated time. The fact you failed to read and understand her site is 100% on you not her. The fact you canceled within 12 hours even if it was well beyond you control is again you not her.  

Just that she would go through the verification site to make sure I paid in full.

Wow.  That's a little harsh.  I already stated I was going to honor the agreement.

In this case I withdraw my statement about this being strictly your decision.

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You are doing the right thing. One thing to note, TER and P411 are not her site. TER is a review site she has little control of and her ad on TER and P411 is just that an ad. Ads never contain the full agreement. Don't believe me just get one of those "free" phones advertised on TV

You are NOT responsible to dig into EVERY ad she has to read the fine print, you are under no moral, legal, or any other kind of obligation to do anything more than you already did out of the goodness of your heart.

You most likely clicked on sites that pull partial information and are not her actual DIRECT site.

No more need to tell Scoed to fuck off, just sasha. lol

Think of it as playing a round of golf. Ure playing against yourself. Apply that same attitude here. Instead of looking for loopholes,  just as yourself how honorable you are with your commitments regardless of the factors. It's ultimately your decision  

although I am convinced that even if it is buried in fine print on page twelve of her site, some women are still going to argue he should pay.

I think "WRONG!!!!!" would have been a better way to have put it. lol

the lady has her cancellation policy on her P411 profile.  

Honestly, I think both parties are right.  The question is, what is the right thing to do?  I think he should make the offer, which he did.  I think she should thank him and refuse to take it if she was not damaged in any way.  

Shouldn't be long now  LOL

It is hard to know how justified each are without seeing the sites. If it is hidden in her blog or something where one wouldn't think to look that changes things but if it is in her opening page, rates page, faq, or booking page that is quite another. Placement is everything in full disclosure required to make her claim legit. If she hid this cancelation policie it is on her not him, but if not he should pay. If it was buried on some page not normally associated with conditions, well I would tell her to fuck herself especially after threatening me. So how about it can we have the link?

He already sent her "something" and he did so of his own free will BEFORE even learning of her cancellation policy, but that wasn't good enough for her and now she is trying to extort full payment from him.

Huh? Thats the dumbest thing I've read all day.

... I am simply commenting on what might have been a nice, neat, clean way to deal with this situation where he keeps his reputation as a decent guy (I would definitely check that box from what I read) and she would not be on the way to ruining hers (which I agree, she is if she was not damaged in any way from his actions).

You live in a rural or semi rural area. My doctor, dentist, hair stylist, massage therapist all charge 100% if you don't cancel within 24 hours. Maybe in a smaller city they let things go but in my major metropolitan area, no such luck

We don't disagree about our conclusions, just about what he actually said and he said that he already sent her some money, "of his own free will" BEFORE every knowing about her cancellation policy.

and none of the professionals you speak of have policies anywhere close to as harsh as what you describe and if any of them develop such a policy I will take my business elsewhere. See how easy that is?

......just for the recordd,  further the OP seems to have some sincerity, probably a nice man.  This thread is exactly why I dont, because it means nothing apparently, never has and never will it seems for independents.  Apparently the Lady in question would only be able to justify her actions if she went way out of her way and divulged information a CLIENT does not necessarily deserve access to ie, I have nothing else scheduled for that period, it has been slow...so I was considering not rebooking my room for the next day and moving on,but if you want to visit just remember I am only staying over for you and you are on the hook for my booking.    When the cancellation occurs within the ADVERTISED CANCELLATION PENALTY period once again she should make the Client privy to the fact that despite what she told him 20plus hours previously and contrary to his belief that he is oh so special that she did in fact received more phone calls from others requesting that same period of time or some portion thereof and had in fact not taken those appointments because she did not want to hurt his FEELINGS (of course because he is oh so special) or possibly have her reputation maligned here or any place else because there are MANY who seem to feel oh so special.  Further if she attempted to explain this in such a fashion to the Client she would have been maligned anyway because she is just a Hooker who would lie when the truth sounded better, we all know how greedy, self-centered and manipulative they are, I mean really they do give up pussy and suck cocks for money, RIGHT.  Further, by mere definition a CLIENT relationship in any transaction reflects a business transaction is occuring in some fashion, but of course the business transaction being entered into is only as good as the intent of the Parties involved.

Note that not following a cancellation policy can end you up on the blacklist, which will make it hard to see very many other providers.

Honolulu has a population of just under 400,000. Since it is located on an island, every other city or town on the island is basically a suburb of Honolulu. Total population of the island of Oahu is just under a million. It isn't New York City or Los Angeles, but it sure isn't Mayberry either.

but if he reports her to P411, SHE would be the one in trouble for extortion.

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Which was a gentlemanly thing to do, but you made yourself look like an easy mark by doing so (in a court of law it might be construed as an admission of guilt), so she decided to try to squeeze you for more.  If you pay up to try to see her again, which I wouldn't recommend, then be ready for the  upsell when you get there now that she knows she can control you.  

I've had several providers cancel on me with less than 4 hours notice and no offer to reschedule... one even cancelled on me at a special rate and didn't even say she'd honor it if I rebooked.  I did in fact later try to rebook and she did in fact try to charge me the higher rate even though she had cancelled on me.

Here's the most recent email I got after paying her &300 total. Not the full $500.  Felt it was more than fair

The word I'm thinking of starts with a C and rhymes with Bunt.

Actually, I choose not to get involved (which is not the same as "siding with the guy") unless the provider has fulfilled a number of pretty basic requirements, including having her cancellation policy on her P411 profile.  

Only need you to post on her local board her TER handle and hooker name with a link to her site.

You said earlier the only place her cancellation policy was written was on her website which you never looked at. You said you booked her through p411, and that the cancellation fee was not mentioned on P411. Now she is saying her cancellation policy is on p411. Which is it? Is it there or not? If it is not on P411 I say you are not responsible and she is being a bitch. If it is on P411 then you are responsible. However she could have cut you some slack based on yhevtime the appointment was made, when it was cancelled etc. She is still being a bitch with the threats, blacklisting, etc.

She cannot use P 411 as a tool to extort a client nor is P 411 a collection agency.  

Wait.... you don't take kindly to people using Gina's name to threaten people?  or is it the extortion?  I'm confused :P

Those are jokes...meant to scare the uninformed  LOL

Isn't the answer obvious? it's BOTH.

Yeah, the answer was obvious... been drinking again eh?  Anything else you'd like to declare your detestation for?

I could have called her s cunt. Blackmail and extortion is never a good thing. She definitely could have handled it much better. However my point was that the guy is actually on the hook if it was in her P411 profile. He booked her through P411. He should have seen it. This info was totally missing earlier in the thread. Also Gina herself said she does not get involved UNLESS the provider has her cancellation policy on her P411 profile, so she may just get involved here.

I know I have said this at least once that my replies were based "assuming the OP was telling the complete truth" So IMHO it's time to "put up or shut up"

No. I said I went to TER and two other linked sites and it was not mentioned at either of those. I went to p411 to book and did so thru the client home page. I never went into her profile as I had already researched thru other two sites and TER and didn't even think about doing so.   So, was it posted on p411?  Yes on profile page which I didn't go to.  I never said anything about her site as she doesn't have one.  I feel $300 for a few emails on a nitebshe had nothing going on is more than fair considering.  

is 100% accurate, in this situation, I would tell her that you will reveal her name on the TER discussion boards if she follows through on the threats, and refresh the story once a week, so that anyone on TER thinking about seeing her will know about her.  If she takes the $300 and goes away, you will remain silent.  If she still wants to go after you, then scorched earth on her and her business prospects.  Am I too nice a guy sometimes?

IF her policy is on her P411 ad AND IF she also mentioned it during her messaging with him to set the appointment, Gina will help enforce the cancellation fee.  BUT-- the provider is responsible for making sure that the client is aware of her cancellation policy by re-iterating it during the booking process.  If she did not do that, then he is in the clear and she is in the wrong.  If she DID do that, then he is on the hook per P411 policy.

You booked her through P411 yet you didn’t look at her profile page? Sorry in normal situations I would say you are in the wrong and she is in her rights to report you to P411. You failed to even read the site you booked her on by your own admission.  

In playing with myself, golf or otherwise?

Sounds like both parties share blame in this fiasco.

I didn't read all of the responses but I'm thinking that after you sent a little bit of money for an apology it possibly could have triggered her to use her "payment in full" cancellation policy.

I think if something like that happens some sort of compensation is a nice jesture to the provider. Just shows that your considersate of her time she but into emails, and verification, etc. We all have things that come up day to day.

Believe what you feel, but many providers use VH and check every member through there, if you come up with a flag, you might get passed on because they don't want the trouble.

You should name who it is in this thread.

and even you do not have enough care and interest in her life you still need to ask her- if you are a gentleman - what was her costs to visit you and appreacite above that as min an hour of her rate