Believe what you feel, but many providers use VH and check every member through there, if you come up with a flag, you might get passed on because they don't want the trouble.
Just looking for opinions here. I emailed and scheduled an appt with a provider for the next evening (22 hours away). When trying to work out a time, she told me she had the entire evening available and anytime would be fine. We settled on one. The next morning, due to a family dilemma, I had to cancel the appt. I didn't find out until after I woke up at 7 am. (Which was less than 12 hours from when our appt was made for) Her posted cancellation policy stated a full payment would be made if cancelled within 12 hours of appt.
I sent an email to cancel, and sent some money to her as an apology. (didn't even know about policy - my fault for not reading it) She stated she was going to enforce policy to the full amount (100% of appt) because she has to pay for her expenses for this trip. I didn't cause these expenses, and I didn't keep her from any appointments as she told me her entire evening was free. I know it's a business, and I respect the concept of the cancellation policies. However, I felt that with the short notice and timing, this situation was handled poorly.
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as I believe you would be quite foolish to send her another dime to make up for the poor trip she had.
I think it's pretty clear her trip was a bush and she is simply trying to mitigate her losses by getting you to pay for a session that never happened during time that she was never going to book with anyone else anyhow.
I think your actions (assuming of course you are telling the entire truth) were appropriate, reasonable and even admirable given the circumstances. I agree that she is handling it badly, personally I wouldn't give it, or her another thought.
Note that not following a cancellation policy can end you up on the blacklist, which will make it hard to see very many other providers.
Those are jokes...meant to scare the uninformed LOL
Perhaps you really meant YOUR personal DNS. If so...most guys could care even less.
Believe what you feel, but many providers use VH and check every member through there, if you come up with a flag, you might get passed on because they don't want the trouble.
So you made an appointment, went to sleep, then by 7am your SO reminded you of dinner with the in-laws? You obviously fucked up here, but unless the hooker in question jumped on a plane to meet you, regardless of "policy" isn't out any cash. Nice gesture to throw her 100 bucks.
This kind of stuff happens on both fronts all the time. People need to grow up and learn to expect a few broken appointments. Short notice (less than 4 hours) or NCNS are one thing, but all this is, is a missed opportunity.
I assume you don't own a small business? Most businesses that have services booked by time have cancellation policies. Physicians, massage therapists, therapists, salons, etc. If he had booked an appointment with any of those aforementioned folks, he would have had to pay the full amount because there is a low likelihood at such a late stage the appointment slot will be rebooked.
You want providers to be professional but you don't want to treat them as such. You can't have the cake and eat it too. It sounds like she was on tour so she may have adjusted her travel plans for him and then he left her high and dry
ll we have is the OP's side of the story. According to his side, he did NOT make her adjust her travel plans. He made a date with a provider for the following evening (who told him her entire evening was free), went to sleep, and cancelled WHEN HE WOKE UP. Less than 12 hours after just making the appointment. What else did you want him to do? Life happens for everyone; he wasn't taking advantage of her
Great, she was on tour. He didn't ask her to go on tour in his city. She was already there. And again, it is highly doubtful that she turned away ONE client because our hobbyist made an appointment 12 hours prior. And on the off chance that someone did call in the interim requesting the exact same time slot; why not move the new client to 2-3 hours later....since her whole evening was free.
Come on now. Calling him out for "leaving her high and dry" is way over the top. She didn't adjust any travel plans to accommodate his schedule. They set up a date, he cancelled in a reasonable amount of time, and our provider is annoyed that the cash did not make it to her pocket.
I have great respect for ladies time and the efforts they put in for a session. And I'd be the first to call out a hobbyist for causing a provider financial harm... but this is not the case here.
My dentist charges 20 bucks and has never enforced it.
You live in a rural or semi rural area. My doctor, dentist, hair stylist, massage therapist all charge 100% if you don't cancel within 24 hours. Maybe in a smaller city they let things go but in my major metropolitan area, no such luck
and none of the professionals you speak of have policies anywhere close to as harsh as what you describe and if any of them develop such a policy I will take my business elsewhere. See how easy that is?
OH, and I am sure this doesn't even need saying, but if any hooker tries out the same policy on me, she won't be hearing from me again either.
Honolulu has a population of just under 400,000. Since it is located on an island, every other city or town on the island is basically a suburb of Honolulu. Total population of the island of Oahu is just under a million. It isn't New York City or Los Angeles, but it sure isn't Mayberry either.
Maybe it's just the "Aloha spirit" here and people tend to be nice. I am aware of professionals charging cancellation fees but I certainly never heard of one charging their full rate. Also I know many times it is just posted to discourage cancellations and no shows, but it is often waived.
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You canceled an appointment seemingly within 12 hours of just making it (and prob. 8 hours of that time you were sleeping). I am really not sure not sure how much quicker an appointment can be cancelled than that. A "cancelation" policy is in place for appointments that have been made long in advance and the provider has either relied on them to travel to a particular city, or turned away other clients to satisfy your anticipated date.
As others have stated, the "pay for expenses" line is a load of you know what. She was already in town and her evening was completely free. You didn't request for her to come to your city and it is highly doubtful (no, I'll go out on a limb and say its impossible) that she turned away any new business in the 12 hours since you made the appointment (since she was prob. asleep for the same 8 hours as you). This is a case of a provider who counted your cash before it was delivered and was angry at you that she wasn't going to get paid.
You didn't do anything wrong and cancelled as quickly as possible. It was unnecessary for you to give her a penny because your actions did not cause her to loose one penny. To put it in a sports context "No harm, no foul"
Look, most hobbyists/providers understand (or should) that time is valuable and shouldn't be unnecessarily wasted. But we also understand (or should) that life happens for everyone. I've had MANY ladies over the years cancel on me well within 12 hours of a scheduled appointment. Heck, one lady canceled on me when I had already traveled into the area. And many times, these cancellations are met with NO offers of a discount (time or money) on a future visit. Just a simple, "Sorry, have to cancel". I didn't complain nor demanded her to take care of me on my next visit. I didn't request that she compensate for my time out of the office by paying me my hourly billing rate. I just chalked it up to the nature of the hobby and moved on.
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It's obvious you are here to find some kind of reinforcement of what you already have in mind. She doesn't have to give you any explanation why she requires full payment. Not having read her site in advance was poor handling (on your side). Whether she had her day free or not has nothing to do with ur cancelation. She may have turned down requests after you settled a time. I understand this is all to her discretion whether she wants to enforce full payment (in reality she can't, but if you want to see her in the future you maybe was be on her good graces). You can ignore making full payment and save yourself a few dollars, or pay full amount and move on with a clear conscience. That's the bottom line.
Either way it wasn't her fault. Just think about this... would you do this to your doctor? My guess is probably not. So why would you give any less respect to the lady in question? The ball is in your court. Just do the right thing and don't bother about what the majority of people here would do. You want some really good advice? The people that would do the right thing most definitely don't spend their time here posting about what you should do. No disrespect to the fine people in this board.
Yes, I would do the EXACT same thing to my doctor if he tried to charge me the way she is trying to charge him and if he persisted I would most certainly find a new doctor.
She states her policy, well here is mine. "I refuse to be guilted into paying for a hookers poor planning" How's that for a policy? No disrespect intended to you or any of the other fine hookers on the board. lol
and why in the world would he want to try to see her again after this bad treatment? As I said I would forget about this and her and move on to someone else.
BTW you say that people who would do the right thing don't spend their time posting about what he should do. so what's your excuse for posting and giving advice??? lol, just saying....
"I didn't keep her from any appointments as she told me her entire evening was free"
Are you 100% sure that, after she booked you for an appointment, no one contacted her after that and tried to schedule for that time? There was 22 hours for something different to happen on her schedule. If so, that would be lost income on her part...just something to think about.
She posted her cancellation policy, and that should be honored, just like a doctor's office or any other business. It's on you for not reading it.
I sent an email to cancel, and sent some money to her as an apology. (didn't even know about policy - my fault for not reading it) She stated she was going to enforce policy to the full amount (100% of appt) because she has to pay for her expenses for this trip. I didn't cause these expenses, and I didn't keep her from any appointments as she told me her entire evening was free. I know it's a business, and I respect the concept of the cancellation policies. However, I felt that with the short notice and timing, this situation was handled poorly.
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First of all, thanks to you all for the replies. Let me start by saying I am going to pay the money, because I do agree it's my fault for not reading policy.
But a couple of clarifications are needed here.
I am not just looking for support of what I want to do. I am truly curious about this situation.
It was not 22 hours of time. There was only about 12 hours between making the appt and canceling it. And most of that was sleep time.
Lastly, I saw ad on TER board, followed two links to see info. No cancellation policy at any of those places or on TER. Went to a reputable site (P.....) to book appt, so that my verification would be easier for her. Booked from main page without ever going into profile page. I felt I knew enough from other two sites. Thus, I never had the opportunity, based on what pages I saw, to see cancellation policy.
I guess I feel that this is a service industry. And in the service industry, one wants customers to be happy for many reasons. Return business, reviews, word of mouth etc. I guess I am just very disappointed a middle ground couldn't be met. Thanks for your replies
I would strongly disagree with your decision to give in to her, but of course it's your decision to make.
I completely agree this is a service industry and as such the providers should want her customers to be happy, but here's the rub, she is a touring provider and unlikely to ever cross paths with you ever again. She had an unprofitable trip, with very few actual bookings which is why her schedule was wide open less than 24 hours in advance. It's doubtful she is coming back to a town where she could get a single booking more than a day in advance, so fuck customer relations, she most likely is taking every penny she can get to mitigate her losses for the poorly planned and poorly received trip she made. NONE of this is on you, and IMHO you shouldn't be guilted into paying for her mistakes.
Just an aside, very few women would make a trip without having a single confirmed appointment before heading to town. That was VERY bad planning on her part and again NOT YOUR FAULT. Do what you want, but IMO you are doing yourself or any of the rest of us any favors by ceding to her demands.
Plus I would think the full fee would be appropriate If she had her cancellation policy displayed on her *booking page* and verfication site so you would know it going in. Most ladies I know with strict cancellation policies also have it in their confirmation email to their clients. The fact that you didn't even book 24 hours in advance and as you stated, you were asleep during most of the 12 hours so IMO she should cut you a bit of slack here.
I don't know how long your date with her was supposed to be for, but with the info you gave in your OP, half should was reasonable IMO.
Since you have decided to pay her the full amount even thou you don't think you should have to, what I want to know is were you threatened with exposure or anything else if you didn't pay the full amount?
Steph xoxo
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Just that she would go through the verification site to make sure I paid in full.
I don't know how long your date with her was supposed to be for, but with the info you gave in your OP, half should was reasonable IMO.
Since you have decided to pay her the full amount even thou you don't think you should have to, what I want to know is were you threatened with exposure or anything else if you didn't pay the full amount?
Steph xoxo
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In this case I withdraw my statement about this being strictly your decision.
Now what you are saying is a matter of giving into extortion and THAT affects all of us. In the immortal words of Kevin O'Leary "I absolutely FORBID you to pay that woman"
P 411 is NOT going to make you do anything, and this just shows you what kind of woman you are dealing with, if you give into this extortion you are doing us ALL a great disservice, I implore you to tell this money grubbing extortionist bitch to fuck off.
but if he reports her to P411, SHE would be the one in trouble for extortion.
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I sent an email to cancel, and sent some money to her as an apology. (didn't even know about policy - my fault for not reading it) She stated she was going to enforce policy to the full amount (100% of appt) because she has to pay for her expenses for this trip. I didn't cause these expenses, and I didn't keep her from any appointments as she told me her entire evening was free. I know it's a business, and I respect the concept of the cancellation policies. However, I felt that with the short notice and timing, this situation was handled poorly.
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Over the course of many years in this hobby I have endured starting an appointment 30-45 minutes late because a girl wasn't ready on countless occasions, and have been just plain flaked on - as in showing up at the hotel and after a text for the room number gotten zero response. Either case means a waste of my income earning time at my office, so does that mean I am entitled to a cancellation policy "requiring" the lady to pay me my normal hourly billing rate for the time she wasted? Of course not, so while I can appreciate that if a trip is made especially for a client and he cancels last minute he should make it right, if appropriate, it's important to understand it happens to hobbyist as well, and with some frequency I might add. No one however, ever seems to mention the provider who is late or no shows owning the gentleman a thing.
Bottom line for me is that as much as we would like to keep this all professional, it just isn't going to be and you have to roll with it and bite the bullet at times.
To the OP, sounds to me like you did the right thing.
Had you cancelled prior to the 12 hour mark, I'd totally agree with you. The fact that it was at the 12 hour mark, she is in the right. Respectfully, it is irrelevant that she told you her evening is free. Us ladies get inquiries at all hours requesting future appointments at an unpredictable rate. Not only did she lose money by you cancelling, she lost money from the other gentlemen who may have booked her for that upcoming evening. However........
There have been occasions where gentleman have handled themselves with candor and respect. Cancelling an appointment, but rescheduling, and prepaying in advance for a future appointment. 98 percent of us, would have been absolutely ok with that.
Real men honor their obligations, period. You booked with her with her site stating canceling after a certain point would result in you being obligated to pay the full amount. You then canceled after the stated time. The fact you failed to read and understand her site is 100% on you not her. The fact you canceled within 12 hours even if it was well beyond you control is again you not her.
Weather or not she lost money is not relevant. The fact she has no legal recorse to collect is also not relevant. What is relevant is you entered into a agreement to pay that money if you canceled within 12 hours of the appointment. Your failure to read the conditions of said agreement is on you. You entered into an agreement to pay, end of story. Real men honor their agreements when possible. In no way is she trying to cheat you. This is on you.
Now go do the honorable thing and pay her as you ignorantly agreed to. And learn to read the ladies site. For that mater read everything you agree to. Not doing so will get you in trouble.
Wow. That's a little harsh. I already stated I was going to honor the agreement.
I did go to 3 of her linked sites and not one had a cancellation policy. It was the 4th one that did. Had I only gone to onto the first 3 sites, would it still be my ignorance? Does a customer then need to make sure he reviews every site a provider is listed on before making an appointment? Seems an impossible task to know everything then.
You are doing the right thing. One thing to note, TER and P411 are not her site. TER is a review site she has little control of and her ad on TER and P411 is just that an ad. Ads never contain the full agreement. Don't believe me just get one of those "free" phones advertised on TV
No more need to tell Scoed to fuck off, just sasha. lol
DD has come to his senses, except you are incorrect Scoed, he is NOT doing the right thing, He has agreed to pay extortion money and that is NEVER the right thing to do.
the lady has her cancellation policy on her P411 profile.
Steph
Actually, I choose not to get involved (which is not the same as "siding with the guy") unless the provider has fulfilled a number of pretty basic requirements, including having her cancellation policy on her P411 profile.
Always,
Gin
You are NOT responsible to dig into EVERY ad she has to read the fine print, you are under no moral, legal, or any other kind of obligation to do anything more than you already did out of the goodness of your heart.
and it's not an "agreement' if you had no reasonable way to know what you had "supposedly" agreed to. Don't cave into this bitch and don't listen to the likes of DD or Sasha when they try to make you believe you "agreed" to something you didn't even know about, much less agreed to. PLEASE show some balls and tell all three of them to fuck off.
If you are too nice to tell Scoed and Sasha to fuck off, don't worry, I'll do it for you. Hey Sasha and Scoed FUCK OFF!!! if you want to pay her so fucking badly YOU pay it.
As for me, I will even agree to intervene with Gina of P 411 on your behalf if necessary. This is NOT hotels.com with a clearcut and enforceable cancellation policy, burying your cancellation policy makes it moot IMHO. Stand up for yourself and tell her you aren't taking this shit lying down, and if she persists go blast her lousy customer service skills and all around shitty attitude on her local board.
You most likely clicked on sites that pull partial information and are not her actual DIRECT site.
Most of us have independent direct links to our own personal website, and there, is where you find the cancellation policy.
although I am convinced that even if it is buried in fine print on page twelve of her site, some women are still going to argue he should pay.
That said, if we can see just how prominently her cancellation policy is posted we can each make up our own minds as to whether we agree she is justified in both claiming a cancellation fee is justified and further if her attempts at extortion are justified as well
It is hard to know how justified each are without seeing the sites. If it is hidden in her blog or something where one wouldn't think to look that changes things but if it is in her opening page, rates page, faq, or booking page that is quite another. Placement is everything in full disclosure required to make her claim legit. If she hid this cancelation policie it is on her not him, but if not he should pay. If it was buried on some page not normally associated with conditions, well I would tell her to fuck herself especially after threatening me. So how about it can we have the link?
Think of it as playing a round of golf. Ure playing against yourself. Apply that same attitude here. Instead of looking for loopholes, just as yourself how honorable you are with your commitments regardless of the factors. It's ultimately your decision
Weather or not she lost money is not relevant. The fact she has no legal recorse to collect is also not relevant. What is relevant is you entered into a agreement to pay that money if you canceled within 12 hours of the appointment. Your failure to read the conditions of said agreement is on you. You entered into an agreement to pay, end of story. Real men honor their agreements when possible. In no way is she trying to cheat you. This is on you.
Now go do the honorable thing and pay her as you ignorantly agreed to. And learn to read the ladies site. For that mater read everything you agree to. Not doing so will get you in trouble.
I think "WRONG!!!!!" would have been a better way to have put it. lol
I think Sasha is running completely off the rails here. Personally I would love to see the bitch in question blasted on her regional board for trying to extort a customer and this is just one more reason a LOT of guys won't provide personal info, even to "well reviewed" providers because you just "never know" when a woman will go off the rails into BSC vindictive land.
Shouldn't be long now LOL
Huh? Thats the dumbest thing I've read all day.
In playing with myself, golf or otherwise?
Honestly, I think both parties are right. The question is, what is the right thing to do? I think he should make the offer, which he did. I think she should thank him and refuse to take it if she was not damaged in any way.
He can still offer her something and if he does after the refusal of the whole penalty she should take it, they should part as friends and we'll all sing Kumbaya.
In the end all we have is our reputations - Word about us travels in ways we will never know, and if we are honorable, it will come back to benefit us 100 times over
He already sent her "something" and he did so of his own free will BEFORE even learning of her cancellation policy, but that wasn't good enough for her and now she is trying to extort full payment from him.
You are absolutely right about reputations, and she is well on her way to ruining hers.
... I am simply commenting on what might have been a nice, neat, clean way to deal with this situation where he keeps his reputation as a decent guy (I would definitely check that box from what I read) and she would not be on the way to ruining hers (which I agree, she is if she was not damaged in any way from his actions).
If I mis-spoke then I had a brain fart. I don't think we disagree.
We don't disagree about our conclusions, just about what he actually said and he said that he already sent her some money, "of his own free will" BEFORE every knowing about her cancellation policy.
So yes either you misspoke, or more likely either misread or simply didn't catch every thing he wrote in his OP and subsequent posts
First of all, you agree this lady has a cancellation policy in place stating full payment is required should a client cancel within 12 hours of a scheduled appointment and you cancelled less than 12 hours before a scheduled appointment. That's about as straight forward as it gets.
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......just for the recordd, further the OP seems to have some sincerity, probably a nice man. This thread is exactly why I dont, because it means nothing apparently, never has and never will it seems for independents. Apparently the Lady in question would only be able to justify her actions if she went way out of her way and divulged information a CLIENT does not necessarily deserve access to ie, I have nothing else scheduled for that period, it has been slow...so I was considering not rebooking my room for the next day and moving on,but if you want to visit just remember I am only staying over for you and you are on the hook for my booking. When the cancellation occurs within the ADVERTISED CANCELLATION PENALTY period once again she should make the Client privy to the fact that despite what she told him 20plus hours previously and contrary to his belief that he is oh so special that she did in fact received more phone calls from others requesting that same period of time or some portion thereof and had in fact not taken those appointments because she did not want to hurt his FEELINGS (of course because he is oh so special) or possibly have her reputation maligned here or any place else because there are MANY who seem to feel oh so special. Further if she attempted to explain this in such a fashion to the Client she would have been maligned anyway because she is just a Hooker who would lie when the truth sounded better, we all know how greedy, self-centered and manipulative they are, I mean really they do give up pussy and suck cocks for money, RIGHT. Further, by mere definition a CLIENT relationship in any transaction reflects a business transaction is occuring in some fashion, but of course the business transaction being entered into is only as good as the intent of the Parties involved.
So this is why I do not have a cancellation policy because it means nothing anyway there are good intentions all along, so I just suck it up literally and figuratively.........NEXXXXXXXXXXXXXTTTTTTTTTTTTTT,
Suzee
Which was a gentlemanly thing to do, but you made yourself look like an easy mark by doing so (in a court of law it might be construed as an admission of guilt), so she decided to try to squeeze you for more. If you pay up to try to see her again, which I wouldn't recommend, then be ready for the upsell when you get there now that she knows she can control you.
You went wrong by sending ANY money in the first place without her asking for it. If you let her complain, and then OFFERED to send the amount you sent anyway AS A COMPROMISE, she would have taken it without trying to get more, becaues her other choice was to get nothing. Hope this is a learning moment for you.
I've had several providers cancel on me with less than 4 hours notice and no offer to reschedule... one even cancelled on me at a special rate and didn't even say she'd honor it if I rebooked. I did in fact later try to rebook and she did in fact try to charge me the higher rate even though she had cancelled on me.
Next time a provider cancels on me I'm going to tell her that I have strict cancellation policy and I'd like her home address to come collect the free blowjob that she owes me.
Here's the most recent email I got after paying her &300 total. Not the full $500. Felt it was more than fair
I received your other $200. I will be contacting P411 to enforce the policy for the remainder. Additionally, I have contacted TER to inform them you've threatened to write a slanderous review since I am enforcing my cancellation policy, against your will, and no session took place. Finally, since you did not pay the full cancellation fee, I will be blacklisting you. Your inability to view my cancellation policy I clearly stated on my P411 profile isn't my problem. P411 will enforce this policy since you made the booking request through their system. I'm not required to post my policy on TER or any where else, but I do post it on p411 since they actually do enforce it. Thanks for the measles $300 you sent....you must be a cheapskate. Anyhow, I will proceed with the national blacklisting process now and will call p411 tomorrow to make them aware of this situation so they can collect the remaining $200 from you!
Ugh!!!!
I sent an email to cancel, and sent some money to her as an apology. (didn't even know about policy - my fault for not reading it) She stated she was going to enforce policy to the full amount (100% of appt) because she has to pay for her expenses for this trip. I didn't cause these expenses, and I didn't keep her from any appointments as she told me her entire evening was free. I know it's a business, and I respect the concept of the cancellation policies. However, I felt that with the short notice and timing, this situation was handled poorly.
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The word I'm thinking of starts with a C and rhymes with Bunt.
Only need you to post on her local board her TER handle and hooker name with a link to her site.
Congratulations on finding your first BSC hooker. If you continue to play...now you have a frame of reference to work with in steering away from these crazy nutcases.
Good luck to you in the future.
Here's the most recent email I got after paying her &300 total. Not the full $500. Felt it was more than fair
I received your other $200. I will be contacting P411 to enforce the policy for the remainder. Additionally, I have contacted TER to inform them you've threatened to write a slanderous review since I am enforcing my cancellation policy, against your will, and no session took place. Finally, since you did not pay the full cancellation fee, I will be blacklisting you. Your inability to view my cancellation policy I clearly stated on my P411 profile isn't my problem. P411 will enforce this policy since you made the booking request through their system. I'm not required to post my policy on TER or any where else, but I do post it on p411 since they actually do enforce it. Thanks for the measles $300 you sent....you must be a cheapskate. Anyhow, I will proceed with the national blacklisting process now and will call p411 tomorrow to make them aware of this situation so they can collect the remaining $200 from you!
Ugh!!!!
I sent an email to cancel, and sent some money to her as an apology. (didn't even know about policy - my fault for not reading it) She stated she was going to enforce policy to the full amount (100% of appt) because she has to pay for her expenses for this trip. I didn't cause these expenses, and I didn't keep her from any appointments as she told me her entire evening was free. I know it's a business, and I respect the concept of the cancellation policies. However, I felt that with the short notice and timing, this situation was handled poorly.
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You said earlier the only place her cancellation policy was written was on her website which you never looked at. You said you booked her through p411, and that the cancellation fee was not mentioned on P411. Now she is saying her cancellation policy is on p411. Which is it? Is it there or not? If it is not on P411 I say you are not responsible and she is being a bitch. If it is on P411 then you are responsible. However she could have cut you some slack based on yhevtime the appointment was made, when it was cancelled etc. She is still being a bitch with the threats, blacklisting, etc.
She cannot use P 411 as a tool to extort a client nor is P 411 a collection agency.
The moral aspect is a bit different, but she is still an extortionist who does NOT deserve to be rewarded for her bad behavior in ANY case.
She is not just a "bitch" she is an extortionist and that is grounds for her getting delisted both here and P 411. Gina doesn't take kindly to BSC hookers blackmailing hobbyists and using her name to do so, and for the record, neither do I.
Wait.... you don't take kindly to people using Gina's name to threaten people? or is it the extortion? I'm confused :P
Isn't the answer obvious? it's BOTH.
For the record, I equally detest "professional hobbyists" threatening providers with bad reviews if they won't give discounts/provide BBFS or otherwise extorting providers.
Yeah, the answer was obvious... been drinking again eh? Anything else you'd like to declare your detestation for?
I could have called her s cunt. Blackmail and extortion is never a good thing. She definitely could have handled it much better. However my point was that the guy is actually on the hook if it was in her P411 profile. He booked her through P411. He should have seen it. This info was totally missing earlier in the thread. Also Gina herself said she does not get involved UNLESS the provider has her cancellation policy on her P411 profile, so she may just get involved here.
I know I have said this at least once that my replies were based "assuming the OP was telling the complete truth" So IMHO it's time to "put up or shut up"
and yes to all the hookers and BSU's I might have offended by my comments up to this point, "IF" it turns out the OP was FOS, I will recant, withdraw and apologize for my statements accordingly.
IF her policy is on her P411 ad AND IF she also mentioned it during her messaging with him to set the appointment, Gina will help enforce the cancellation fee. BUT-- the provider is responsible for making sure that the client is aware of her cancellation policy by re-iterating it during the booking process. If she did not do that, then he is in the clear and she is in the wrong. If she DID do that, then he is on the hook per P411 policy.
No. I said I went to TER and two other linked sites and it was not mentioned at either of those. I went to p411 to book and did so thru the client home page. I never went into her profile as I had already researched thru other two sites and TER and didn't even think about doing so. So, was it posted on p411? Yes on profile page which I didn't go to. I never said anything about her site as she doesn't have one. I feel $300 for a few emails on a nitebshe had nothing going on is more than fair considering.
You booked her through P411 yet you didn’t look at her profile page? Sorry in normal situations I would say you are in the wrong and she is in her rights to report you to P411. You failed to even read the site you booked her on by your own admission.
But this case has a huge but. That but is she threatened real harm in listing you in a public blacklist thus outing you to all who Googles you. And over a cancellation policy she collected the majority of. At this point I would tell her exactly where she can stick her policy. No way would I pay anyone who threatens me. Her bringing up using a public blacklist site would void any contract with her. I would out her and let the chips fall as they may.
You are at fault but the greater sin lies with her. You should of manned up and paid when you was shown you were in the wrong but she is out and out sounding dangerous. Please post a link to her her. People need to know who to avoid. Outing someone for a NCNS isn't justified let alone shafting her part of a cancellation fee is completely out of line.
Please note a lot of this is on you for failure to do your homework. It was on the very site you booked her on. Learn from this and do your homework. You are no angel in this even if the greater wrong was done by her.
Sounds like both parties share blame in this fiasco.
is 100% accurate, in this situation, I would tell her that you will reveal her name on the TER discussion boards if she follows through on the threats, and refresh the story once a week, so that anyone on TER thinking about seeing her will know about her. If she takes the $300 and goes away, you will remain silent. If she still wants to go after you, then scorched earth on her and her business prospects. Am I too nice a guy sometimes?
I didn't read all of the responses but I'm thinking that after you sent a little bit of money for an apology it possibly could have triggered her to use her "payment in full" cancellation policy.
Just my .02
D.
I think if something like that happens some sort of compensation is a nice jesture to the provider. Just shows that your considersate of her time she but into emails, and verification, etc. We all have things that come up day to day.
You should name who it is in this thread.
and even you do not have enough care and interest in her life you still need to ask her- if you are a gentleman - what was her costs to visit you and appreacite above that as min an hour of her rate
You treated her as if she is a hooker.
So whom to blame here ?
John ? or a hooker?
Both and you and her -ar just deserved each other
Myself I never even would consider to move a finger till he takes care about logistics or give me means to st up love nest.
That is how rel woman should be
She acted as a sex worker .. so she had a john on the hands and jons is posting here asking advice of other jonh
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