With the recent revelation that many hobbyists on these discussion boards are white knights, I'm just kind of curious as to whether I'm a voice in the wilderness, or if there are other red pill men here as well. It'd be good if you would share your story as to how you discovered the red pill although it's not really a requirement, I just want you to check in so I can do a headcount. Also, did the red pill lead you to the hobby as an alternative to civvie dating, or were you already here only to discover you had it right all along? Do you find that providers differ from civvie women, and how so? And what are some of the reactions you get from women (civvie and providers alike) when you reveal to them that you are a red piller? This last one is specifically for the providers; do you thank civvie women for inadvertently sending more business your way? (MGTOW)

I love sex, and I view the "hobby" as a way to get more of a good thing.

And I don't take a blue pill either.  I eat fruit, vegetables, and granola.  Maybe also a steak, potato, or beer along the way.

None of your business, ElTurdo.  Either way, you're still a douche.

In a blue pill state, I think I have no choice but to embrace fantasy while everything around me goes to hell.  

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Paid professionals, not civvie dating. Nothing ever free in life.End up paying for the free thing in the end.

Love the response.

....... I've always known that there are really 2 types of mongers, when it comes to male mongers. There are the arseholes who hate women but need to fuck. Then there are the men who love women and love to fuck.  

I love women and I love to fuck, but that doesn't mean I give "ALL WOMEN" a pass for stupidity, sloth, greed or any other character flaws they might have as individual, the same as I would for a man.

about why you resent women and have such low self esteem.

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I agree, absolutely. That's why i said " treated with the respect that I would like to be treated". There are plenty of mean , dishonest and shitty people in this world, male and female.

Had no clue what MGTOW was either. I googled both and then felt no need or desire to respond to this idiot.

More comfortable ranting on a blog about why he can't score pussy than actually trying to go out there and get some.

Basically misogynists.  And MGTOW is also a group of misogynists.

Yeah, I'm good.  No red pill guys for me lol
XOXO  
TL

with this post. So, I checked it out....briefly.  I don't hate women, I adore them.  However, I would agree that in TODAY's society they hold the cards...In my profession, institutional pharmacy, if you are a woman under 40 you seldom have to work past 5pm, but if you are a man over 40 you get almost all of the evening and night shifts and most of the weekends.  
So, not only do they have that advantage, they are literally in control of all the PUSSY.

Red pill? MGTOW?

Mick, you hit the nail on the head for me. I love women, and I love to fuck. Further, my general life philosophy is as you state, "treat women with the respect that I hope to be treated with," extended to all people, male or female.

but nevertheless, you really shouldn't be on my thread if you don't have a story to tell. But by all means, thank you for confirming what I already know about you being a blue pill simp.

"What you don't know can't hurt you" is a myth, and you'll find out just how much of a myth it is when you feel the fire under your ass.

It's not like you would rely on me for my money anyways. Besides, wouldn't my exit leave you with more dating options to choose from?

About a girl that I once knew. She took my love and ran around with every single guy in town.  Yeah, I should have known it from the very start: this girl will leave me with a broken heart.  Now listen people what I'm telling you...keep away from Runaround Sue!

I am surprised at the anger toward the OP.  I think it's pretty obvious that society has changed and is much more feminist (less masculine)--certainly in my lifetime (now fairly long).  Women have long held a distinct advantage in the court room--or just about any room.  It's like any other group--once they attain power--they consolidate it.  
It's okay to have this view--it doesn't mean one hates women.  It doesn't equate to being an "a-hole".  It's just a simple recognition that this country (most of western civilization) has been feminized.  I think the whole MTGOW "movement" is just a natural reaction to that reality.  Men re discovering (perhaps a better concept might be facing head on )their biological societal role---and not denying it/trying to change it.  Embracing nature--as it were.

That society has been feminized and women have too much control in a lot of ways, I'd agree with that. I did just a little reading about this red pill business and there's stuff there I agree with. But like most any group, they take it too far, to a place I won't follow. Their diagnosis of the problem (at least where I was reading) was pretty spot on, but as I continued to read, their attitudes toward women were, for the most part, stuff I just can't get down with.

He mainly commented on the fact that you are douche, but he's got your name wrong, it should be "ElMierdadetoro""

That's not the credo that I've picked up (having heterosexual sex gives up one's power).  Here is a you tube video I watched after reading about this concept yesterday (for the first time)

Okay. Like any movement, a lot of people with very different views are going to attach themselves to it. Ask ten people what feminism means. You'll probably get at least twelve answers. I'm just telling you one of the things I found when, like you, I looked around a bit after this thread came up. One of several places I saw the no sex idea was on MGTOWdotcom, it said to give up all relationships, one night stands, and friendships with women. It didn't specifically say no prostitutes, but to me "no one night stands" is pretty much synonymous with no casual sex. Also, something I saw everywhere I looked was that all women treat men like ATM simps. Given that, paying a provider seems like quite a non sequitur.

You read the whole thing? I quit less than half the way in and skipped to the answers, which I didn’t read either ...

Bun out dem tings to rassclaat!!

I choose to apply the ideas that are relevant to my current situation, and listen to the rest with an open mind without really applying it. After all, I'd never know if I may feel differently at a later date, and may need to apply it at that time. Everyone brings their own perspective to an ideology based on experience and desire. I would say that monk mode is an extreme side of MGTOW that I don't subscribe to. Some people can live without sex, and others can't. For those who can't, prostitutes are a better alternative to exploring sex while maintaining their freedom, and it enables them to reject the traditional option of civvie dating without rejecting sex on a whole. Prostitutes may seem expensive in the short term, but cheaper and more beneficial in the long term. There's no free lunch, you still have to pay for it regardless. So when weighing the cost benefit ratio, wouldn't you select the one where you get more bang (literally) for your buck? A prostitute can only use you as an ATM simp as often as you need them, unlike a wife whom you keep paying, and paying, and paying, and at any given time, she can still choose not to put out regardless of me paying. So why the fuck am I paying the bitch? But at least a prostitute is honest about her intentions so you know what you're getting into, unlike civvie dating. If anything, I'm paying for honesty! The youtube video I've attached sums it up best. Finally, MGTOW can only be used as a temporary thing as you build wealth, and then you can choose to start a family later on in life after you've retired. The good thing about men is that we don't experience menopause, so that means we can still father a child at 100 if we're still alive, case in point Mr. Ramajit Raghav.

As a general rule, lesbians hate  men.

I have had many lesbian friends, just because they don't want to fuck me doesn't mean they hate me.

Oh yeah, I believe you have lots and lots of friends.  You're a friend magnet.  I also believe in the tooth fairy.

obviously not known many Lesbians.  I have worked along side one for 25 years.  She DOESN'T hate me, she just doesn't want to have sex with me.  In face, we have been drinking buddies after work for many years.  My male friends don't want to have sex with me either, but that doesn't make them "man-haters."

I don't know any lesbians.  That is, no one has ever told me they are a lesbian.  In the same way I don't know any homosexual males.  I don't pry into their lives.  Now people tell me such and such and so and so is gay.  But I have no way of knowing for sure and I don't go bother them to find out if it is true.

I actually meant to say, "Finally, MGTOW can also be used as a temporary thing as you build wealth, and then you can choose to start a family later on in life"

People tend to hate you when they can't get their greedy little kleptomaniac paws on your money. You're all so quick to say how much I hate women (Oh sure, because protecting my hard earned money from a wasteful spender means I must really hate them, right), but no one is willing to hold women accountable for hating me, talk about double standards. Did it ever occur to you that maybe I wasn't the one who fired the first shot? MGTOW was born out of a necessity to retaliate against the ills of feminism. How the fuck you expect me to love such a vain, selfish, entitled creature who doesn't want to reciprocate? There has to be reciprocity in order for it to be called love, otherwise, it's just slavery. Ain't no loyalty out here in these streets bro, just a bunch of snakes and vampires out to get you, that's why more men are waking up from the matrix and going their own way. It's literally the only option left to save yourselves in this gynocentric world, and I'm trying to wake people up, but if y'all want to stay sleep, then I don't know what more to tell you. The love I save may be my own!

I’m not sure what “red pill” means, but my story is:  My marriage was sexless.  After several years of frustration, I ventured into the hobby.  Once I started, and discovered that some providers are really good a the “girlfriend experience” I could not stop.  The hobby is addicting, especially when it’s the only avenue through which your needs are met.  

a man-hater, souls is an idiot, but does this mean there's still a chance you could be lured to the other side?  NOT holding my breath, just curious.  

Surely you can post one website link of an admitted lesbian that says something nice about males, white males in particular.   Just one.  One tiny link. I'm not greedy.  Just an itty bitty one.

has worked for me for 25 years is a Lesbian (I tried to convert her too, Lopaw, 20 years ago, but gave up on her.   I'm incorrigible.  We still do happy hour one day a week after work.  She has some great stories, as I'm sure you do.  Lol), so Souls, my man, I don't need a link, I have lived it and if there was any hint that she hated men, I wouldn't be spending social time with her for all these years.  

Here's your itty bitty link to match your itty bitty comprehension skills.  It took about 10 seconds to find it.  There are also others out there if you took a minute to look. You are also obviously very lazy. But more likely you would just like to continue maintaining your inaccurate and narrow minded views by not bothering to look for yourself.  

If gay men or Lesbians are not comfortable telling you they are one or the other, then perhaps its because they can see your prejudices coming a mile away, and know you would be judging them with your narrow mind rather than accepting them.  

Perhaps it's because even though I am admittedly an asshole, I am not a "narrow minded, judgmental asshole" like you.

Disenfranchised people often very vocal because they're the ones who have something to complain about or so they think so they speak out and act more than others. If you look at the internet you would think most men hate women most women hate men and most people hate everybody that has any difference is whatsoever but most people aren't like that.  

Once again you prove you are "one of the guys" a lot more than many of the so-called men on this board.

I posted a counter example link but it was rejected by TER because it "didn't meet the criteria for an ad"  ???  Not sure what that means -- possibly the moderator hit the wrong reject reason.

I think you have said that as a general rule, web posting lesbians tend to be man haters.  

You are so obtuse it is comical. Of course there is gonna be lesbian generated man hating literature out there just as there is lesbian dialogue quoting the opposite. But in your narrow closed minded little world only the man hating stuff counts, huh. Of course that's what you'd claim since it fits your weak and homophobic agenda.  
No one claimed there weren't women out there  (both gay and straight) who hate men. And there are plenty more who don't. But people like you love to deny the obvious. You just keep stereotyping and generalizing your lame as fuck argument to try and support your bigoted views. Nobody's buying it.

People on social warrior sites tend to be haters lesbian or no. As a rule the lesbians on this site tend not to be man haters. Lowpaw for instance is really cool unless you say something stupid and bigoted.  She gets testy then.

Heard of blue but never the red...guess I learned something....In about twenty years I may have to start learning about the different colors......right now am here because am  just a guy with a big appetite for 'FUN.