I was talking to a provider who recently got "stiffed" (client who bolted without leaving a white envelope).  She also mentioned getting stiffed by a client leaving an empty white envelope.  My question to providers: does this happen often and, if so, is there anything you have done to report these deadbeat clients?

Most providers clearly state on their site that the envelope should be placed down within the first few moments, and the client should go use the restroom to freshen up. This short period of time gives the provider a chance to ensure everything is right with the envelope. Following this very simple process puts both parties at ease. What is so damm difficult about that? And, in the case if outcall, most ladies say to leave the envelope in the bathroom, she goes in to freshen up, same process. I will never understand why some hobbyists can't get a grasp of this very simple process, why fuck with a good thing? You're getting laid by a professional, and you don't have to listen to the bullshit to get it, it's fucking perfect, there is no sense in messing with perfection.

...the guy who leaves fake bills on that first meeting, or the guy you've been seeing for a while who starts "forgetting" to pay?

The first time the lady was totally cool. I contacted her motified and she said lets meet for lunch tomorrow. Excellent. The second time I was driving home and my phone rang. It was a lady I'd seen several times. I did an immediate U turn and took care of matters.

Once the provider caught me before I'd left the building. The other time I realized it when I was about five miles away, and swung around and was able to rendezvous with her before she got on the road.  

He was a regular I'd seen several times for overnights. 40+ OK's on p411, reviewer, MAJOR hobbyist.  
It occurred on a major holiday, which made it even worse.

What's bad for the goose is bad for the gander.

Yes, most clients know they leave a white envelope (though many of my clients just put cash without an envelope).  I sometimes make a statement like, "You may leave your offering to the Goddess....(I have a statuette of The Goddess on my table, since I'm a practitioner)", and they leave the dough.  I don't always get a chance to count it because of how my incall is set up.

A provider offers a service, the cash and dash are thieves plain and simple. Don't try and blur lines please.  

To throw her off to the fact that he put an envelope down with one hundred, and the rest dollar bills.
He literally pretended to be mentally handicapped!
Anyway the girl who told me this also told me she was relived at the fact she didn't notice until he left.
She would rather have been stiffed, than have a possibly dangerous confrontation.
Many girls have said that to me, and it's kinda sad, and unfair...
The fact that an escort can feel threatened by a creepy customer really sucks.
I think all escorts should carry a military grade tazer.

So, the onus is on you to stay away from the risky ones.

Gals, on the other hand, have much less ability to filter out bad clients than we do to filter out the bad  providers owing to having reviews, etc.

The two examples and not comparable.

rip me off or short me.  

I think all escorts should religiously practice martial arts. a tazer isn't going to do much if its across the room and the client has his hands around your neck.

That's why I prefer to get the envelope up front.  After a few orgasms I can't think straight and am still on cloud 9 when he's walking out the door.  
However most of the time I found he left the envelope and if he didn't it's corrected right away.   I've never been stiffed, and I know I wouldn't handle it well. Not something I would let slide.  
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Once the provider caught me before I'd left the building. The other time I realized it when I was about five miles away, and swung around and was able to rendezvous with her before she got on the road.  
   
 Of course, both times the minimum possible score was 9:  "forgot it was a service".  

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I should introduce you two, she is a character  

It's a tad extreme, dontcha think?
Also, even as a joke, not the greatest way to present yourself here.
I mean, we get it.  Stealing is bad, whether it's a light envelope or C&D.  It happens on both sides of the transaction, sad to say.  But still.....

Being a dope who doesn't do his homework and sees a C&D girl doesn't mean the "onus" is on him.  It's on the person who stole his money.  You're blaming the victim here, even though he's clearly a dope.  The implication is there's no "onus" on the thief herself in this analogy.

and I would absolutely return & make things right.  
Typically, I place the envolupe in advange on the first meeting but subsequent meetings I rarely do.  I always carry the donation, precounted & held together with a paper clip, in my key pocket.  I can't get my keys out without finding it.  With favorites, I empty my pockets when I undress so things don't fall out (happened in a civie situation long ago & was a big problem.)  My routine is the donation is the first thing on the corner of her dresser (my fav gal has a chair next to it for my clothes) & my wallet & such go over it.  It freaked out one gal I hadn't seen in a while...  but every other has been fine...  IF LE or someone were to burst in, it just looks like BF / GF.  When I dress & replace my stuff in my pockets, the donation is silently left behind.  We feel it adds to the illusion...  but requires trust.  I must trust her, she must trust me.    

Call me a mangina but I have a bunch of gals I'm a regular with, and the idea of ripping any of them off is just alien to me.
I think these guys are sociopaths who, after they've seen you a few times, think you owe them something.  What a world.

I have had my ass kicked by more than one woman, so I know first hand women can be tougher than men.
The fighting.. It wasn't violent in that way...  
It was more like getting laughed at by a girl as she beat you up.

Mostly, they know they can get away with it, at least once. And they really don't value our time. Not at all. Even *most* nice clients seem to think that our time is pretty much worthless.

with my two ex wives.  Now THAT was expensive sex

If so, you might get by the first time-will never be able to see her again, number and name will be blacklisted and also have a chance of getting fucked up by the bodyguard,bf in next room