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Bill Clinton and the Meaning of “Is”
“It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is.”
Posted By: rhs023191
So I have been seeing this massage provider for a while and became a regular.
She provides a great massage, and a great ending with body gliding / HJ etc.
As we see each other more, she offered an ending with titty fuck.
I understand no FS means no "sexual intercourse".
Can I assume it means no BJ?
Is it okay if I ask her if BJ is something she's comfortable with / where does she draw the line?
Has anyone have this kind of experience where you "unlock" certain services after you become a regular?
I know providers are all different and I respect all the providers out there.
If you are taking a poll on TER, my interpretation is that "FS" usually implies vaginal penetration by the penis.
BJ or BBBJ are not FS (and therefore not ruled out by a "No FS" policy).
Digital penetration is not FS (and therefore not ruled out by a "No FS" policy).
And you already know by experience that, to her, HJ and Russian (between the breasts) are not FS (and therefore not ruled out by her "No FS" policy).
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I think you can ask her about BJ or BBBJ. If she has a fit, you can say, "But impposter said it was OK!"
Thanks for your reply! Ha I'll remember to bring that up lol! Have a great day!
I and I’m sure many others have had the menu opened up once the provider got comfortable after a session or more—sometimes even during the first session, ala “YMMV”. HJ to CBJ, CBJ to BBBJ, no DATY to DATY, BBBJ to FS, FS to Greek etc.
Since you’re a regular, I think it’s ok to ask if she would consider any other services. See what she says, don’t push (you don’t seem like the type of guy who’d do that), and come prepared for an upcharge.
Thanks for your insight! I'll try my luck. Have a great day!
...and usually don't offer anything more. Never say never, tho. She might offer more, especially if you're a regular with her. It never hurts to ask politely.
providers, who I see sometimes when I really need a massage (and they know how to give a genuine massage), I always ask if they’d like some table time and they always say yes. On my first visit, I tell them I’ll only rub what they want me to rub, ask if they have any spots they want special attention to, and I start there. Once they’re comfortable I’ll ask if they’d like their glutes rubbed (always a Yes, if they haven’t already directed me there), and go deep there which they always seem to appreciate. I also do their inner thighs getting very close to but not touching their pussy (unless they’re indicated that’s ok). On the flip, I’ll ask if they’d like their lips massaged, and if that’s a yes (usually) I’ll go from there to ask if they’d like a finger massage (pretty high take up rate) and then if they’d like a tongue massage 👅 . If that’s a yes, it’s a pretty good indication that a BBBJ at least will be on the menu, and maybe FS in a future session if not that day.
Then there’s times when there’s nothing beyond the butt massage for her, and a HJ for me. But it’s never a bad time massaging a beautiful, sexy woman, especially the super-fit ladies who really appreciate a massage after they’ve hit the gym.
There have been nuru providers that I've read reviews about that claimed that they were lazy, uninterested and overall were given a bad rating. Since the physical description of the provider was appealing to me I decided to try her anyway. My experiences were exactly the opposite, so it's true you get what you give.
was for a FBSM. It included a HJ and that's it. On a subsequent meeting, I asked about BBBJ, and she agreed for an upcharge. After about 6 weekly visits, she offered me CFS for an upcharge without me asking. The rate progression had gone from $150 to $200 to $250 for FS. In retrospect, I wish I had asked about FS when I got the blow job, so the advice here from other posters to ask her is sound. Go for it, but don't pressure her if she says no. It still floats the idea, and she may consider it and come back later and change her mind. Or, you can just book a FS provider with no fuss.
An awesome FBSM gal just had such a fantastic delicious body that on our visit, I literally groped her up all over and reached down and pushed her thong down. This was while she was setting up some tunes on her MacBook for us to listen to. She panted and shuddered that she "wasn't FS".....
But her body actions almost broke her resolve. The tip I gave up front was 2x her posted massage rate.
She did let me go down on her and she ultimately gave me a CBJ, but that was it.
$$$ sometimes talks..... depends on how much you're willing to give.....
I've seen a FBSM provider in Wilmington, DE (Joy) and she makes it very clear what her boundaries are.
No FS, no kissing on the mouth, but you can touch her anywhere and she provides outstanding oral service (and loves to receive it too.
It all depends on the provider, as other have said.
I usually bring up add-ons at the end of a session so it doesn't interfere with the planned event and we had the better part of the hour to establish chemistry.
I've had every response from "no means no" to a detailed menu, to an organic evolution to bbfs.
Long ago (maybe 25 years) I saw a tall blond gorgeous massage provider several times. She would come to my house, get naked, give a great massage, then lie beside me and use her hand expertly. I was happy with this, and she only ever advertised massage. Then at the end of one session she said, I want to give you more! Jackpot!!! I saw her several times more after that, full service for the win! I don't know why I stopped seeing her. Damn. Anyway I tell this story just to show, you never know!
Some providers are as advertised, and you may have to respect that, however you said you are a longtime customer, so don't be afraid to ask, but you not gonna find out by keeping your mouth shut . Am sure she is somewhat comfortable with you by now and might oblige you,especially if you have been respectful and generous. However keep an open mind when asking just in caseyou get turn down.
Also , depending on where you are or visit, am sure there are providers out there that will fulfill all your needs. Broaden your horizons, get to know other people.
I often get nuru massages. There are some good places in oc. I find the uncertainty of not knowing where the session will end up exciting, but at the very least I know I'll get to enjoy a super oily body slide with hj.
I always let them get through their routine before I make a move. The only exception would be if she's dropping some pretty strong hints, like if she's already performing some pretty aggressive camel sliding ill reach down, grab my cock and start smacking her clit with it. If she responds positively to that I'll just throw it in. Or if she's doing hj with her face millimeters away from it, ill look her dead in the eye and tell her I want to see her with my cock in her mouth. Sometimes she'll do it, sometimes she'll tell me there's an upcharge.
Barring her dropping hints such as those, most sessions end up in the same place. Her performing hj in the 69 position. I'll ask her if it's OK to touch her pussy. Usually they'll say on the outside only. I'll start rubbing her pussy with some dirty talk until it gets wet and she really gets into it. Thats when I tell her I want to fuck the shit out of her. Occasionally she'll be so into it she'll just do it. Sometimes she'll say there's an upcharge and sometimes she'll say she doesn't do that. If she says no I tell her ill drop her a grand. That gets most of them. If it doesn't ill allow myself to cum without saying anything to see if I can blast her in the face. Lol, jk. I don't do that last part.
If they are using oil it's not a Nuru. That is a body rub. Nuru is only done using a gel and the feeling is far different than using oil. Look for those using the gel for an authentic Nuru experience.
Posted By: alias
Re: Nuru
I often get nuru massages. There are some good places in oc. I find the uncertainty of not knowing where the session will end up exciting, but at the very least I know I'll get to enjoy a super oily body slide with hj.
I always let them get through their routine before I make a move. The only exception would be if she's dropping some pretty strong hints, like if she's already performing some pretty aggressive camel sliding ill reach down, grab my cock and start smacking her clit with it. If she responds positively to that I'll just throw it in. Or if she's doing hj with her face millimeters away from it, ill look her dead in the eye and tell her I want to see her with my cock in her mouth. Sometimes she'll do it, sometimes she'll tell me there's an upcharge.
Barring her dropping hints such as those, most sessions end up in the same place. Her performing hj in the 69 position. I'll ask her if it's OK to touch her pussy. Usually they'll say on the outside only. I'll start rubbing her pussy with some dirty talk until it gets wet and she really gets into it. Thats when I tell her I want to fuck the shit out of her. Occasionally she'll be so into it she'll just do it. Sometimes she'll say there's an upcharge and sometimes she'll say she doesn't do that. If she says no I tell her ill drop her a grand. That gets most of them. If it doesn't ill allow myself to cum without saying anything to see if I can blast her in the face. Lol, jk. I don't do that last part.
That seems like a pretty big jump from a woman tolerating you rubbing your bare dick on her clit to you jamming it inside. I'm guessing that some girls assume you're going there but I'm guessing you've been slapped in the face a few times or thrown out of a few appointments. There are some people who would put that in the category of rape, btw.
There's a chasm of difference between a woman tolerating a sexual activity and responding positively to it. I wouldn't expect you to understand.
I've never been slapped, tossed out, or even turned down. In fact, i usually repeat endlessly once i know shes down. I know when a woman consents to an activity without verbalizing it. If anything, I'm overly cautious and have left tons of extra service on the table because I don't want to cross a boundary she's not comfortable with.
Of course, women tend to have fewer boundaries with handsome young men 😉
Yes.
Consent is the hottest part of sex.
No need to elaborate on this simple truth.
I have a favorite massage provider that does a great massage, hj, and/or NURU massage. I noted right on her ad she states no fs or bj. During my first massage with her, she made it clear that she doesn’t do fs or bj, and some guys keep insisting on offering her more money to do it. She gets upset about it. She’s a nice person, so I respect her wishes and limits. Almost every guy that has gone to her notes that she is strictly no fs or bj. Most guys get it. My belief is that if she decides to offer you personally more, she would bring it up on her own. I won’t risk offending her. If she decides otherwise, she can offer. If you are happy with her services, like I am, just go with her offered services. That’s my take.
She either will or she won't 
In my experience in the beginning as Sage Love I did not offer FS
Then I realized I was missing out on some good loving so I reinvented myself as Chloe Wilde and offered FS
Then I got married and hubby asked me to stop offering FS so I reinvented again as Holli Wood and went back to massage no FS
Now we choose to practice polyamory and I came out of retirement as Holli Wood and now offer FS again
Never know when or if a lady will be interested so best way to find out is to just ask
Kiss me all over,
Holli
