on what she wants to charge.
It's up to the hobbyist if he wants to see her based on her pricing scheme. If you don't like the pricing scheme, you can move onto the next lady. Typically, rates aren't negotiable and if you try to haggle with the provider, she probably "slam the door" on you. When I see that kind of 'ala carte' pricing, that gives me pause because I feel that the provider is charging low prices just to lure in hobbyists. Not a good business model. The Forest WaitsI can see it for Greek because that requires some special preparation beforehand to avoid a potential mess on the sheets. But I will need a calculator in bed to add up all the other extras.
I would rather see an "all you can eat" price of say $250. Maybe one guy will slip a little extra FIV in there, but the next guy won't.
How do the rest of you hobbyists and providers feel about the "ala carte" style of pricing?
One thing I find confusing are complicated menus on provider sites. Sometimes they offer $160 for 60 minutes, however DATY/DATO + 50, Greek +50, FIV +50, DFK +50.
I can see it for Greek because that requires some special preparation beforehand to avoid a potential mess on the sheets. But I will need a calculator in bed to add up all the other extras.
I would rather see an "all you can eat" price of say $250. Maybe one guy will slip a little extra FIV in there, but the next guy won't.
How do the rest of you hobbyists and providers feel about the "ala carte" style of pricing?
It's up to her what she wants to charge. For any Special Requests a Provider should charge a bit Extra on top of her Rate. Of course depending on what that Request is. It's only Fair.
on what she wants to charge.
It's up to the hobbyist if he wants to see her based on her pricing scheme.
If you don't like the pricing scheme, you can move onto the next lady.
Typically, rates aren't negotiable and if you try to haggle with the provider, she probably "slam the door" on you.
When I see that kind of 'ala carte' pricing, that gives me pause because I feel that the provider is charging low prices just to lure in hobbyists. Not a good business model.
The Forest Waits
I can see it for Greek because that requires some special preparation beforehand to avoid a potential mess on the sheets. But I will need a calculator in bed to add up all the other extras.
I would rather see an "all you can eat" price of say $250. Maybe one guy will slip a little extra FIV in there, but the next guy won't.
How do the rest of you hobbyists and providers feel about the "ala carte" style of pricing?
Rates do become negotiable after you've seen a Provider for a while. Well that's been my experience. With the Provider I'm seeing I pay half of her hourly rates and still get FS. I know I'm on her Regular Client List.
For example, the greek thing as you point out.
Also, some gals have a FBSM/spa menu that is less than the GFE menu, and that makes some sense also.
Then there are menus for BDSM and fetish/roleplay that can get complicated and need a lot of preparation also, so I can see upcharges for that.
But when there are upcharges for DFK, DATY and FIV, I think things are getting a bit overboard.
As people have pointed out, if things are more complicated than you want, you can always move on.
With the exception of an upcharge for greek, which is pretty common for ladies who offer this service, very few legitimate and what we will call "highly reviewed" providers will upcharge for things like DFK or FIV.
I am by know means a fan of any of the "top" lists here on TER, but to prove a point I defy you to find a single lady on ANY or the top lists here that does this. The easiest way to discourage this practice is to simply avoid women who "upcharge" which is my preferred term for women with what you call an "ala carte" menu.
Nothing spoils a GFE faster than stopping every five minutes to "renegotiate" her services.
I can see where there maybe a additional fee for greek (which I do not offer, however, I understand the prep time, noone wants a shitty mess! LOL)
I have on occasion had requests (lingerie or specified toe-nail polish.)
But considering the nature of this business, that women are expected to have such maintenance or have such wardrobe- I do not consider it an up-charge, unless he requests something I have to go out of my way & find on a snipe hunt.
When I started getting established, I had to figure out a business model. I found that the overwhelming majority of men DESPISE up-charging and find it to be next to deception. I would not recommend it to any escort who is going the GFE route. Some things with GFE are expected & inclusive, or rather, they SHOULD be (or by general rule, are thought to be what qualifies as GFE.)
Now I have an email waiting to be answered this guy wants some water-play....
Hmmm, wonder what I should tell 'em? LOL
That's not exactly in the GFE range!
I can see it for Greek because that requires some special preparation beforehand to avoid a potential mess on the sheets. But I will need a calculator in bed to add up all the other extras.
I would rather see an "all you can eat" price of say $250. Maybe one guy will slip a little extra FIV in there, but the next guy won't.
How do the rest of you hobbyists and providers feel about the "ala carte" style of pricing?
Made me laugh. now I have to ask. What kind of snipe, the kind you catch in a poke, or the find you fine "down in the hole" on a Navy ship.
You probably send the guys after the first while you enjoy the latter.
Defiantly not laughing at you, "snipe" just recalled some fond memories.
Navy snipe = engineering. all the jobs that make a ship move and livable.
Keep on smiling
he found at least one Snipe
Good for both of you. I hope you understand that I do not use it as a derogatory term. It is snipes that make it mobile and livable so the rest of us can do our job. Ping jockey over here.
He taught me every cock-suckin', granny dodgin', poon-tangin', mutha-fuckin', ass-bleedin' swear word I know today.
I loved him.
Fast Eddie, where ever you are, I'll never forget you.
telling me I want this but not that. Wanting to pay for the type of session they want.
I am mostly massage and B2B so perhaps that's the difference. But one price fits all
would never work for my business.
Table massage base includes hand finish, if they want another option my offerings are
clearly stated on my site. I recently made changes and "named" my sessions in an attempt
to simplify.
I think guys should visit a providers TER profile so they know more of what to expect.
Many happy endings to you all, Carl
Instead of looking for ladies that have a low base rate and then upcharge their menu ala cart, look for reasonable full menu as stated ladies. If a lady upsells me, I'll never return. Remember you aren't paying for sex, that would be illegal, you are paying for her time. It's just that you are such a gorgeous, sexy stud that they want to play with you.
Here's what I expect, I know what the lady's rate is for the designated amount of time, and that's exactly what is in the envelope, and we never discuss it after I drop it. We have fun, I leave when my time is up and it's over. That is really simple, and perfect I might add.
If you bargain basement shop, that's exactly what you'll get. If you're happy with that, then that's great.
I'm sure guys want to poke and prod every part of her body, which may be why she slaps the 50 on there. Be like. "Don't be flippin this shit around all every which way." lol.
She may not be at a 250 or 350 market, or may not know how to market that amount. So she markets for the 160 market, but plops on the extra money in services.
I kind of like what she's doing in a sense that guys coming in have been well informed before hand that if they have their little checklist to poke and prod every little hole and flip her around, trying out her body like a little rag doll, they're adding 50 bucks every time they do it.
In the higher markets chicks don't have to deal with that so much. But let me tell you. Under 200 and you're having the shit banged out of you the entire time the guy is there, and you're doing different positions every five seconds. Slap 350/400 and above per hour, the guys calm down a bit. They respect you with their money, so they'll respect you with their actions.
Another reason I never saw hagglers. They were always the hardest to please.
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I don't know what else guys expect at those bargain bin prices.
But we do expect bbfs for $160! lol
Dear Ms. Telford:
The underlying question is where are you marketing yourself. If you are marketing yourself, in a place where those rates of compensation are the norm then you are going to get answers and questions about why isn't such and such included in the price. If you market yourself in places, where you know the clientele is more upscale and is used to paying more than what you quoted then that shouldn't be an issue. The question should be how should I market myself so that it won't be an issue. Henceforth you will avoid and usually avert the undesirable element that you are trying to avoid.
I charged $800 at a two hour minimum and nobody tried to haggle, except for shorter time frames.
At $450 per hour, NOBODY asked for a lower price. Those who wanted it just didn't schedule.
At $160 per hour, or anything below $200, you are asking to be taken advantage of, because a woman at that rate is not even looking out for herself.
She can do what she wants, but if you're below $300, people will ask for discounts. If you're above a certain amount, they get the drift that you know what you're worth and you're slapping a high price on yourself, and whether it's an issue or not, it is not going to change what the woman sees her worth at.
Below $300 = hagglers
$300 - $350 = less hagglers
$400 + guys that can afford you contact you and get it.
Cool story, bro.
Dear Ms. Telford:
The underlying question is where are you marketing yourself. If you are marketing yourself, in a place where those rates of compensation are the norm then you are going to get answers and questions about why isn't such and such included in the price. If you market yourself in places, where you know the clientele is more upscale and is used to paying more than what you quoted then that shouldn't be an issue. The question should be how should I market myself so that it won't be an issue. Henceforth you will avoid and usually avert the undesirable element that you are trying to avoid.
Not me personally... Usu too low quality and too much hassle on hearing an upswell.
Only upsell I hear often is the Greek one because I see a lot of $350-450/h in a pricey market.
THANKS Tobi!!
Gents have NO IDEA the expenses we have. They should know and perhaps they would be more understanding of rates.
Just to start....
HUGE advertising costs. Most ladies spend $500 and UP per month!
Incall rent $1K +
Hotel expenses
Incall electric and heat
Laundry costs
Candles, wipes, cleaning supplies, oils, lotions, lingerie,
Give us a BREAK, the list is never ending!!!
Some must also be confused as $150 is NOT an escort rate. My ad is super clear on exactly what each session is and is not.
Chime in ladies. I am going to start a thread here after someone thinking $150 hour is too much!!
You must NOT live in Chicago!!
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Rates for FS do play a factor in what a guy expects from an appointment. A lower rate, for some reason, the guys expect to screw a girl bare the entire appointment.
For massage, completely different story. I don't know much about the massage market as that was never something I did.
I still believe, for someone doing full service, they may want to consider jacking those rates up to avoid hagglers and guys who will take advantage. Not sure why it is the way it is, but --- it does work that way from what I've seen myself and what I've heard.
I will leave aside the marketing strategy aspects of this discussion (fwiw - I hate upcharges - and will immediately cancel any appointment with a provider who starts quoting upcharges for specific acts).
As soon as a provider advertises a specific charge for a specific act, her ad changes from an ad for an escort's time to a solicitation for prostitution. Anytime she discusses this with a new client, she has committed solicitation.
Conducting business like this sets her up as an easy target for LE, and, if arrested, its an easy conviction because there is no defense.
I see almost every provider's site listing donations, and having different donation amounts for the length of time, and also different rates for GFE and PSE. Isn't that more than enough? Isn't just listing a dollar amount enough? I don't think juries or DA's would be that naive.
Some places the easiest way to get out of a speeding ticket is to file the appeal for a jury trial first. It has cost and risk but will more often than not result in dropped charges. Just understand the difference in simple speeding and a long list of charges.
It varies around the country. I'm in Ohio and am most familiar with the situation here. But some things are generally true everywhere.
Start with the premise that prosecutors don't like to prosecute cases unless they're pretty sure they're gonna win. They run for re-election on the fact that they've achieved a 90% + conviction rate. And they get a 90% conviction rate by prosecuting slam dunk cases and bargaining out the rest. So, if you've got a plausible defense and a good lawyer, chances are you can get a plea bargain to something that is not as potentially disruptive of your life
But ... your attorney has to have something to work with.
The street walker who sticks her head in the car window and says "50 bucks for a blow job" - is a slam dunk case. So is the elite courtesan who says "an extra 50 bucks for anal".
To answer your question, advertising PSE is probably gonna get a provider convicted. Its hard to imagine how a porn star experience could be anything other than prostitution. "GFE" ... maybe. If that's all that's said, the defense would be that she was referring to kissing, cuddling, etc. There's been a lot of discussion on the Arizona boards that lots of those cases are being successfully prosecuted out there. Not so much in Ohio yet (at least that I'm aware of).
And yeah - solicitation is usually just a misdemeanor. But for some of us, the consequences of even a misdemeanor conviction would be extreme. So ... sorry ... but a provider upselling specific services is a deal breaker for me.
But very few things kill the buzz more than a lady turning to me and saying something like "you can lick my pussy for another 40 bucks".
for a "one price gets all" experience.
Of course, If I had to choose an alternate way, I suggest we set up a "reverse menu" structure. A prix fixe hour(s), with reductions for acts that we just can't fit in. It goes like this: We don't do greek, I get a Benji back. No BBBJ, 2 Jacksons back. :
you will find the all-inclusive rates you are looking for; mostly minus the trip to the isles.
Stay off of BP or SW.
Place where you are part of the scene. There are 2 main Character's, You and her alone: You both decide how it will be played out....You agree ahead of time of the menu! Naughty Appetizer's , or an all inclusive menu(excluding greek salad). The main course shall include a Hearty meat tray(You) alongside a sweet delicate flower(Her) allow time to savor each bite, and when your ready for another, remember to take a new clean plate with you!!
