Ladies......

Would you 'start the punch card' on a gentleman caller if he got there and used your/the available facilities?   Would that depend on if you joined us in the shower?

What are your thoughts on jumping in the shower either before or after .. and with us

Bob's former wife --God bless her soul-- had amongst other ailments, bad arthritis.  Shower time for us was sometimes the only play-time we could manage.  The hot water and air, and a chance to loosen up her muscles and enjoy her body were some of the fondest times bob spent with his wife..

In some ways it seems even more intimate than the race for the bed.... at least to bob.   Perhaps that is just echos of fond memories from another life.

Would a lady book an appointment that was based around a long hot shower and 'play time' in the wet if it were communicated clearly beforehand?   Geez, if you all have to deal with the creepy icky factor of some clients, would you consider this mild, or even fun?  Good grooming can lead to a great time, and seems less lascivious than just groping for the naughty bits.

Bob says thanks for the thoughts.

When you step in the door, the clock is usually running. I'm sure any incall ladies would love to spend time with you in the shower.

Btw, why the 3rd person references to yourself?

Katie

You would rather be funky than miss a few minutes?

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The anticipation is building, you are truly prepped and she will be glad to devour all those squeaky clean parts of you!

Yes, the clock starts when you walk in the door. Regarding showering with you, by the time I see you, I have spent 2 hours working out and then showered afterwards. I spent an hour taming my wild curls into an attractive style. I spent another 30 minutes on my make-up. So please don't take offense, but I prefer not to shower yet again and have to repeat the entire hair styling and make-up exercise over again.

If you indicated in your contact with me that you were interested primarily in shower fun though, I would have no objections to that, and would happily greet you without make-up, wrapped in a towel, and ready to spend an hour splashing around with you in the shower.

Stacy says Bob is welcome for Stacy's thoughts.

Sins.....you said it perfectly!!  I know this sounds silly but some of us have crazy ass hair that needs time to tame. If we showered and got it wet again we would have to re do it again and again and again. By the end of the week we'd have no hair left!!!  Believe it or not, for most of us making ourselves bootyful is a process and takes time. Especialy when ya get to be MY age!!!!

You are more than welcome to let me know before the appt. That way I can be prepared. IE: make you the last appt of the day....or make sure I don't have an appt right after you so I have time to repair.

PS.....Meowbaby says, unless you're the Queen of England, speaking in the third person is pretentious. Meowbaby says that's just her humble opinion.

Make sure that you convey that to the lady up front, and just book the appropriate amount of time. It's much better to shell out a few extra bucks than to be concerned that you'll be rushed or just not have enough time.

I wouldn't show up "needing" a shower, but wanting to freshen up is not unusual.

Just Hungry's opinion.

Thanks for the thoughts and info.   Bob is very naive about many such things as all of this .... Bob misses his wife, God bless her now.

and as to the 3rd person... bob found out years ago that it drives certain peeps... especially GAMERS absolutely freaking bonkers nuts!   Bob discovered this while being an online gamer, and has always spoken thusly!  Bob was famous/infamous on a certain server in a certain game for singing Monty Python songs with his Bard in Jeuno

No pretentiousness, but an ability to differentiate between the online persona, and the 'real' one furiously typing away behind the screen.  It may differ in style from what you like, but in substance, is it any different than the screen names we use, or the 'working' names given instead of real names?  in an industry given over to eccentricities and oddities, would not you consider Bob to be harmless?       Well, you havent seen bobs' junk, so harmless may not apply!

I'm not a provider who rushes a date but the time starts when we meet. I welcome and encourage showering before hand but it is part of the date. I agree showering together can be very erotic and sensual so it only makes sense that "the punch card" includes that time.

in the tv serial becker, bob refers to himself in third person.

i loved that show!

I always take a shower before leaving for an appointment, but if it helps make a lady more comfortable I will take a quick one before playing.

Geeze...its not like you're taking a 30 min shower, of course it's on the clock. Unless you're booking 15 min sessions, whats a few minutes here or there?

Most quality providers don't count the minutes, (at least the ones I've seen)but then I always book longer sessions so time is never an issue.

You should ask the lady beforehand to make arrangements to play in the shower.

First you try to get women to agree that applying Gold Bond powder would be a way to avoid taking a shower.  Give me a break.

Then you wonder if taking a shower is going to cut into your previous time..

It sounds like you need an attitude adjustment in that you are trying to eek out the maximum amount of "in-bed" time that you can.  Why not just let things flow??

Anyways in answer to your question though, the time starts when you arrive.  I have learned that the hard way with a few women I have seen, chatting for a half hour before starting anything.

As to a shower, I love showering with a woman.  It is fun to wash each other in the wet warm water!

luv_women says that it is fun!  (god I hate that third person reference method!)

Make sure you list all of your food allergies as well.

plus it dries out da gina

I take my showers before the client arrives- I do not take showers with clients -

It may muss mah hair dawlings

the hour starts at the appointed time...

So just hurry your ass up and you dont have to worry over it

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So if Anon asked you to exercise for two hours and cover yourself in Gold Bond before he arrives so that he can wash the powder off:  will you count the exercise time in the date?  Or just the time to apply the powder?

Anon O'Male

You took the slippery slope argument way too far.

If she doesn't want to have to redo all her makeup and hair bc he has not told her of his preference up front, then she should be able to decline it.

No need to attack her on this issue.

Simple solution: tell a lady that you want to spend your time in the shower together. Then let her book the rest of her appointments that day based on the fact that afterwards she'll do her hair and makeup.

Katie

Katie,

I'm not attacking, I promise. I'm joking - although I'm not sure I wouldn't like a sweaty lady over one who has spent an hour working on her hair and perfecting her makeup. I'm afraid to muss her.

Some of us do like the "natural look".  I may be in the minority, but I think French manicures, etc., are more for the benefit of the ladies than to satisfy the wants of the gentlemen.

Ducking,
Anon

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Wow!   ask a question or 2 and get flamed!  lol!   Bob observes peoples character in how they respond!

this is a new arena for bob to play in.  Bob just supposes that you grew up knowing everything on every question, and have no need to ask such things.

If *you* lived in a barren western state, an hour to 2 hours drive from a major metropolitan area with a nice selection of providers,  Bob just guesses that you would somehow instinctually know all the ins-and-outs of this environment and perilously difficult social  interaction without help or guidance!  

Go flame somebody else.. you bore bob.

thank you to everybody else who has provided insightful info, and who are filling in the knowledge gaps that bob has.

~Bob

You know, I've always maintained that women get their nails done for other women, not men. Guys don't notice that stuff much, but your girlfriends do and you get positive praise for such things, so you keep it up. lol. I had to break this down for someone in my sophomore year at high school. haha.

Katie

Although a logical question, I did find CiaraHasFun's message funny.

Now to be serous, Bob. If you ask the provider ahead of time, then that might be okay, depending on the provider. Yes, the clock starts when you walk in the door. Come on, Bob. What if you took a 15-minute shower? Also, if I'm joining you, then it's definitely playtime. Some of us prefer hot baths. That way, we can just tie our hair up, not worry about getting water squirted in our eyes, etc. Some of us don't have extremely large showers. I don't particularly find showers that sexy with another person. It's cumbersome, awkward because you cannot use a condom and -- like I mentioned above -- water always gets in our eyes. It's especially painful if we already have makeup on.

Remember, you guys don't wear makeup (at least not most straight men), you haven't done your hair and sprayed it so it won't fall into someone's face or get in the way of a great BBBJ. So, I think you get the hint, hon. Schedule with someone who likes showers or wants to do an overnighter with you.

Hugs,
Ciara

Then we would get a reduction in the "looks" department for TER ratings, because we didn't have makeup on or looked like a model.

Hugs,
Ciara

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And those showers do not accomodate people over 6 feet tall either.

Ciara, Maybe some fool would rate you downwards for that.. but you are one hot lady in the "au naturel".. and as I told you before.. you should be modeling...

"Wow!   ask a question or 2 and get flamed!  lol!   Bob observes peoples character in how they respond!"

How I responded was in a quite reasonable fashion.  Furthermore, there were many other responses to your thread equally as attacking, and you chose me to respond.   Get a Life!

Let me see if I can explain this to you in simple language..

 1) You speak about yourself in the third person

 2) You think that you have to learn about how to act via personal experience, when many of the types of questions you have asked can be answered with a simple search

 3) You act indignant when someone mentions that what you are asking is plainly wrong

You somehow believe that you might have found the secret way to get an extra few minutes with a woman.

Look, I am a very reasonable person.  My handle is luv_women because I truely luv each and every woman I see.  To me every woman is beautiful in her own way, but there are rules in how you need to act.  As a newbie, you need to err on the side of caution until you learn what you can do.  But everything I have learned about how to act is available on these messages boards.  

You might think it funny or cute to refer to yourself in the third person, but nowhere else in the internet universe does any normal person do it.   If you cannot at least understand that, then what hope is there for you?

I would bet that if you asked 100 men about eyelash curlers, 100 of them would not care anything about it.

Men simply do not care about those things.

Since I find women to look much more beautiful wearing absolutely nothing but a smile!

I may be in the minority, but to me a woman with no makeup, etc. is much more beautiful than a woman made up like a circus pony.

"and as to the 3rd person... bob found out years ago that it drives certain peeps... especially GAMERS absolutely freaking bonkers nuts!   Bob discovered this while being an online gamer, and has always spoken thusly!"

So your mission to drive others crazy?  Wow, my mission is to gain the respect of others.

I think speaking in third person is an individual decision- I think it also may make some feel safer when discussing potentially illegal activities. But for what it's worth, most of us here at TER, when given a choice, will try to answer a newbie's question over flaming them for language or other randomness (unless the language use is offensive- obviously)

Yes, all time is "on the clock." Generally outcall, a woman will shower before she comes, drive to your hotel and come in, and then excuse herself to change or freshen up- which may include freshening again with a baby wipe or hot towel, or jumping in the shower again for a quick rinse etc. and then putting on her lingerie. This is on the clock. Reverse scenario, man comes to an incall. He arrives on time, the clock starts. Most men will excuse themselves to go freshen up, and if not many ladies will suggest it- the fresher the better, best to just rinse and freshen up the down-below bits, and then use mouthwash or re-brush teeth.

If you spontaneously decide that you want the lady to join you while you shower, ask her- like stated before, some can and will, while some may have hairstyles or makeup which don't allow it. Also there's a difference between a quick and spontaneous shower to rinse and re-freshen, and a longer shower.

If you know you enjoy this longer shower as part of the sensual action, and want to make it the mainstay of the date, bring it up beforehand so she can say yes or no and be adequately prepared. Personally, I prefer to plan bubble bath or jacuzzi dates, which can include gentle touching and massage while in the tub. But with my long hair and contact lenses, the small space of a hotel shower tends to be uncomfortable after more than just a quick freshen-up with two people in there. I am not overly high maintenance, and would simply pull my hair up with a band before getting in, and have done this on many occasions, either first thing, or especially for longer 1.5-2+ hour dates between "rounds." But like I said, I find that it gets cramped, and that the positioning of the water can cause it to bounce off at me at head/eye level and irritate my contacts etc. So I'd personally prefer a sensuous bath or hot tub date if water play is your cup of tea.

That said, actual genital play isn't the greatest for most females. Water does dry us out down there, and more than gentle/sporadic touching can be quite uncomfortable. But each lady is different- think through the pros/cons, and ask ahead. My favorite is when the arriving party (depending on incall/outcall) takes a quick 3-5 minutes to freshen his/her body in the shower and freshen his/her mouth, and then proceed with the action. Water play can include a bubble bath together during the date, a jacuzzi room if one has booked such with massage jets (ask me to bring my water-proof toys! or using the hotel's pool and hot tub if you are comfortable doing so- I love doing this when it is deserted (best between hotel hours ie. between 12 noon and 3 pm, when everyone else is checked out- if you get an early check-in you can get the pool area all to yourselves- but still remember, the intent in that scenario would not be sex or outright sexual foreplay in public, it would be having fun, splashing around, holding each other, massage, enjoying the water, and then back upstairs for more in depth intimacy.

Just Marea's two cents And welcome to Bob!

When you arrive, your time begins.  

If you want a shower?  Go for it.  If she wants you to take a shower, then do.  If you want her to join you in the shower..say so.  If she does, cool.  If not, dont be upset.

Reason I dont join anyone in the shower (if I do, it's always afterwords) is because Ive spent all this time getting ready.  Hair.  Makeup.  etc etc.  The last thing I want to do after you leave is, the hair, the makeup, etc etc.  Besides...unless there is a garden type tub, there is always one person who is left out of the water, and I dont like standing there getting cold....lol

Your a dude.  You can shower in 7 minutes.  After your shower, another 8 minutes and your walking out the door.  I cant.  lol

Why dont guys think about what all it takes for a girl to get ready???  Seriously.