Thanks for the thoughts and info.   Bob is very naive about many such things as all of this .... Bob misses his wife, God bless her now.

and as to the 3rd person... bob found out years ago that it drives certain peeps... especially GAMERS absolutely freaking bonkers nuts!   Bob discovered this while being an online gamer, and has always spoken thusly!  Bob was famous/infamous on a certain server in a certain game for singing Monty Python songs with his Bard in Jeuno

No pretentiousness, but an ability to differentiate between the online persona, and the 'real' one furiously typing away behind the screen.  It may differ in style from what you like, but in substance, is it any different than the screen names we use, or the 'working' names given instead of real names?  in an industry given over to eccentricities and oddities, would not you consider Bob to be harmless?       Well, you havent seen bobs' junk, so harmless may not apply!

You took the slippery slope argument way too far.

If she doesn't want to have to redo all her makeup and hair bc he has not told her of his preference up front, then she should be able to decline it.

No need to attack her on this issue.

Simple solution: tell a lady that you want to spend your time in the shower together. Then let her book the rest of her appointments that day based on the fact that afterwards she'll do her hair and makeup.

Katie

Ciara, Maybe some fool would rate you downwards for that.. but you are one hot lady in the "au naturel".. and as I told you before.. you should be modeling...

Since I find women to look much more beautiful wearing absolutely nothing but a smile!

I may be in the minority, but to me a woman with no makeup, etc. is much more beautiful than a woman made up like a circus pony.

"Wow!   ask a question or 2 and get flamed!  lol!   Bob observes peoples character in how they respond!"

How I responded was in a quite reasonable fashion.  Furthermore, there were many other responses to your thread equally as attacking, and you chose me to respond.   Get a Life!

Let me see if I can explain this to you in simple language..

 1) You speak about yourself in the third person

 2) You think that you have to learn about how to act via personal experience, when many of the types of questions you have asked can be answered with a simple search

 3) You act indignant when someone mentions that what you are asking is plainly wrong

You somehow believe that you might have found the secret way to get an extra few minutes with a woman.

Look, I am a very reasonable person.  My handle is luv_women because I truely luv each and every woman I see.  To me every woman is beautiful in her own way, but there are rules in how you need to act.  As a newbie, you need to err on the side of caution until you learn what you can do.  But everything I have learned about how to act is available on these messages boards.  

You might think it funny or cute to refer to yourself in the third person, but nowhere else in the internet universe does any normal person do it.   If you cannot at least understand that, then what hope is there for you?

Freshening up and water play during dates

I think speaking in third person is an individual decision- I think it also may make some feel safer when discussing potentially illegal activities. But for what it's worth, most of us here at TER, when given a choice, will try to answer a newbie's question over flaming them for language or other randomness (unless the language use is offensive- obviously)

Yes, all time is "on the clock." Generally outcall, a woman will shower before she comes, drive to your hotel and come in, and then excuse herself to change or freshen up- which may include freshening again with a baby wipe or hot towel, or jumping in the shower again for a quick rinse etc. and then putting on her lingerie. This is on the clock. Reverse scenario, man comes to an incall. He arrives on time, the clock starts. Most men will excuse themselves to go freshen up, and if not many ladies will suggest it- the fresher the better, best to just rinse and freshen up the down-below bits, and then use mouthwash or re-brush teeth.

If you spontaneously decide that you want the lady to join you while you shower, ask her- like stated before, some can and will, while some may have hairstyles or makeup which don't allow it. Also there's a difference between a quick and spontaneous shower to rinse and re-freshen, and a longer shower.

If you know you enjoy this longer shower as part of the sensual action, and want to make it the mainstay of the date, bring it up beforehand so she can say yes or no and be adequately prepared. Personally, I prefer to plan bubble bath or jacuzzi dates, which can include gentle touching and massage while in the tub. But with my long hair and contact lenses, the small space of a hotel shower tends to be uncomfortable after more than just a quick freshen-up with two people in there. I am not overly high maintenance, and would simply pull my hair up with a band before getting in, and have done this on many occasions, either first thing, or especially for longer 1.5-2+ hour dates between "rounds." But like I said, I find that it gets cramped, and that the positioning of the water can cause it to bounce off at me at head/eye level and irritate my contacts etc. So I'd personally prefer a sensuous bath or hot tub date if water play is your cup of tea.

That said, actual genital play isn't the greatest for most females. Water does dry us out down there, and more than gentle/sporadic touching can be quite uncomfortable. But each lady is different- think through the pros/cons, and ask ahead. My favorite is when the arriving party (depending on incall/outcall) takes a quick 3-5 minutes to freshen his/her body in the shower and freshen his/her mouth, and then proceed with the action. Water play can include a bubble bath together during the date, a jacuzzi room if one has booked such with massage jets (ask me to bring my water-proof toys! or using the hotel's pool and hot tub if you are comfortable doing so- I love doing this when it is deserted (best between hotel hours ie. between 12 noon and 3 pm, when everyone else is checked out- if you get an early check-in you can get the pool area all to yourselves- but still remember, the intent in that scenario would not be sex or outright sexual foreplay in public, it would be having fun, splashing around, holding each other, massage, enjoying the water, and then back upstairs for more in depth intimacy.

Just Marea's two cents And welcome to Bob!

And those showers do not accomodate people over 6 feet tall either.