Because in the final analysis, if you're a man getting sex from a woman, it's never for "free." There are always attendant costs, whether it's time, dinner, gifts, emotional support, etc. With a provider, everything's more honest and upfront, at least it should be.

Many years in the hobby.  Only once did this happen.  After a single session, the Provider said "next time's on me."  I got the sense that I reminded her strongly of a previous relationship, rather than anything that had to do with me per se, and decided that was not a real healthy basis on which to proceed.  But once she had made the offer, a "normal session" was clearly no longer possible either.  So I never called again.

I read your fight before with the other guy about you being a shill, which you obviously are.

For a girl to offer you a freebie in exchange for a positive
review means that either:
(a) you told her you would be putting in a review before you saw her; or
(b) you told her your handle and she checked the site to know who you were before she made the offer ; or
(c) you saw her legitimately (paid $) and then told her you
would be putting in a review and she made you the
freebie offer.

(a) or (b) makes you a shill and a mooch and a bit of a bully. Was it (c)?
Every time? (You said you turned down freebie several times)
Time to come clean, doc.

Greetings 7DeadlySins,

Actually, I never did see them like I pointed out because I am against such practices. Some offered a freebie because they have never been reviewed and others because they had not being reviewed lately. They got my handle from lurking on the boards, viewing my reviews and from referrals. If I ever would have seen them it would had been a modified (C) were I pay for the meeting like any other person and posted a review based on performance if they wanted one. Check out my reviews and compare them to other reviewers and see if there is any inconsistency before you make any vague accusations.

I am aware that there are many people out there that do use their handles and Aliases seeking/bullying discounts and/or freebies like you say but not in my case. I must admit that I have had to use my handle several times when I do not have a reference that the provider does know but it was only used for her to know who I am and accept on meeting me at the same regular direct booking fees that you or any others would pay. I don’t seek freebies or discounts and YES I have gotten discounts for being a repetitive customer with Agencies and Providers that have raised their fees and when booking for multiple hours like I regularly book like any other regular customer would also get.

Accepting a freebie from a provider is very dangerous; this has been spoken on other forums were we have all agreed that it is a good temptation but it could back fire at anyone eventually if things don't work out as you think they should.

On a personal note, I know besides you there are tons of others that might hate me for one reason or another but you and those do have all the right in the world to feel that way but I don’t feel the same for you though. I knew that when I was to post on any board not everyone would agree with my style I post my reviews or comments and never will so I accepted these battles and quarrels to occur often making the board lesser boring. The only people I hate are the terrorists that tried taking away our freedom which include freedom of speech like you were able to express yourself here.

Have a Happy Holiday Sir,

The Good Doctor
PS. Another handle with zero reviews to account for and not even an e-mail account. Could it be using an Alias or could it be a new hater of The Good Doctor? LOL!

-- Modified on 12/17/2001 8:21:23 PM

Dear Doc,

I have to agree with 7Deadly, IMHO your credibility is stretching dangerously thin. I'll let the other readers, if they care, check your reviews and posting history, and let them draw their own conclusions.  I've drawn mine, and IMHO, you have far too many reviews where you are the only reviewer, and no one can verify their validity.

I'm certainly willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, maybe you are just a patron of only the super high-end porn star providers, and seldom have a bad experience, and because of the high prices in this niche, few are able to follow your reviews.  

However, even assuming your reviews are real, they seldom contain useful detail for a hobbyist who might be interested in saving up for a splurge, and booking.  I always appreciate reviews that comment on ease of contact, how close she matched photographs, her attitude, or any other caveats.  I notice that you rarely mention negatives for any of your sessions, something I frankly find impossible to believe, even at $1,000/hr prices.  In my experience, even in ATF-type sessions, there is always something that can be improved upon.

IMHO it looks like you are in the "braggart" category of reviewers. Rather than provide valuable, objective info, it sppears you would rather wax eloquent on your own prowess as a lover, how hot your dates were, rhapsodize about how good the sex was at each session, and how much influence you wield as a prodigious reviewer.

Fine, to each his own, and of course you're entitled to review as you like, for whatever reasons.  But real or fiction, I've learned to ignore your stuff as being self-aggrandizing pap, and this latest comment that you've turned down freebie deals from providers wishing to get a positive review is just another example.

Have fun, stay safe, and leave the lights ON!!
iceman

Thanks for your sincere comments i_c_e_m_a_n; you have all the right in the world to degrade and attack my reviews and comments the way you have chosen to do.

I have a proven track and the thank you e-mails I get regularly speak for themselves but I don’t need to brag about it here. I also know that it is almost impossible to believe what I review since the type of provider I usually see are Pornstars which are rare on this board (10% or less of the reviews on TER is my best estimate) but the photos talk for themselves and others that have seen these ladies that do not usually post (True High Rollers) also know what I am saying. By researching, talking to them and lots of bachchanneling to avoid a bad meeting which I have had like any other hobbyists but when you are dating Pornstars it is very rare that one would have a bad experience especially if one takes the time to make sure that she meets ones requirements and both know what to expect.

Based on your theory it is a Sin to meet Pornstars, to have the budget to meet them, to post a review that isn't allegedly verifiable because other members of the board might not have the funds to meet them and last but not least the style one does its reviews must be done YOUR way in order to be accepted. ROTFLMAO!

I will not comment on your reviews since I respect everyone’s style of doing it but I shall continue reviewing it MY way whether you and the rest like it or not and like you say, you and the rest don’t have to see them or view them as credible nor my intentions are for you or the others to do such thing. Take them like a grain of salt or sand, whichever is thinner.

I rest my case and rest assured that you are not doing me any harm as much as you might think and/or want to since I know who I am and those I have helped also know and that is suffice for me.

Peace,

The Good Doctor
PS. BTW, I sleep very peacefully every night with the lights off because I fare no one since I have harmed no one and if I ever did I would have valid reasons to do such thing and would still sleep with them off.
PS. Since my posts on the boards are insignificant, why is it that you and others continue to comment on them? Why don't you just omit them and read others that would add value to you?

-- Modified on 12/18/2001 7:33:51 AM

Woo, the Iceman cometh!

Thanks for the backup, Iceman! This doctor guy is so
see-through, he should have a sticker saying "Andersen
Window" on his butt.

Any body telling a provider his TER handle is definitely
up to no good, no matter what this equivocating phony
says. You gotta see his last couple of fights with other
members- just keeps changing the subject till the other
guy gets bored.

A shill if ever there was one on this board!

What you need Doc, is a bodyguard/driver for all these excursions... A real thug, a barbarian type, you know... nudge, nudge, wink, wink...

Although perhaps I would get you into more trouble than I saved you from.... Naw! No way! Offer stands....

Only sex he says....

Have seen many of the same women you have, and generally agree with many of your observations. If I bothered to post ($20 bucks and I don't have to bother with the b/s), many of my posts would be very similar to yours (ok, in addition to being an obnoxious asshole, I'm a shill for both TER and the Doc). Of course, my review of the MONGOOSE may differ, but that is because even though you have seen her, no way you knew she was the MONGOOSE (hi honey).

Hey Purelust,

Drop me an e-mail via back channel and let me know who is "Mongoose".

Maybe when a National Pornstar Board is created provided that the PS's move over from the other boards here, groups can be segregated based on ones tastes and type of provider to avoid unnecessary bandwidth usage do to unfounded attacks posts based on what you, "Straightman", others and I have stated previously. But until then I shall continue wearing the Biggest Catcher Glove in order to continue receiving them gracefully.

And I thought we all had learned a lesson after September 11th, 2001????????

The Good Doctor

-- Modified on 12/19/2001 5:32:39 AM

...for the same reason Doc questioned 7Deadly's, no reviews.  You claim to have seen some of the same women doc has, and concur with his opinions, yet apparently are too lazy to add your own.  Looks like all talk, no action.  

At least I can respect Doc for putting in the time to review, even if I don't agree with his style and question his motives.  Can't say that for you.  Although you claim to be a "shill" for TER, it appears you don't even understand how this board works.  FYI - you don't pay any membership fees if you write reviews, so the $20 excuse doesn't hold water, the laziness excuse does.  

If you are going to be a back-channel guy, why don't you stick to the back-channels?  Without any reviews, but just hearsay comments and forum posts, IMHO you add next to nothing, and your credibility is zip.  Do yourself and Doc a favor, follow up some of his reviews with some of your own, it'll make you both look better.

__________________________________________________________
Are you gonna take me home tonight?
Ah down beside your red firelight,
Are you gonna let it all hang out,
Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round.

iceman








-- Modified on 12/19/2001 8:06:36 AM

i_c_e_m_a_n,

I am not seeking to look better or worse since this is not a beauty contest and if it was, I will not even qualify for the preliminaries. ROTFLMAO!

As for my PSE encounters provide me a list of the PS's that you are not capable of verifying its validity so I can provide you and others with tons of reviews from other boards/forums such as ASPD, TBD, TGN, SF Red Book, Yahoo Club "Sex With Adult Film Stars", IAFD and RASP to name a few were you can go on your own and do a search on them but as The Good Doctor I will do you the favor since I want to hear what you have to say when they are publicly presented here.

I will be waiting i_c_e_m_a_n, don’t let me and your followers down now!

The Good Doctor
PS. Photos/vid caps of some of other hobbyists and my PSE's meetings are on the Yahoo Club SWAFS!

PS. For those who don't have an account with Yahoo clubs here is the manual way of doing it:
1. Go to this link:http://clubs.yahoo.com/
2. Subscribe yourself providing an e-mail account that does not have to be your Yahoo account.
3. Once you have created a Yahoo Clubs Account the you go to the Link:http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/sexwithadultfilmstars
4. Once there you will be a "Guest".
5. In order to have full access to this site you will need to press on the "Become A Member" Icon and once you have entered your information you will then become a member having access to the Photo section.

PS. Just because some people don't post/review their experiences makes them a non-credible source. There are lots of people on this forum that DO Contribute and don't post reviews for what ever reason they have chosen and You and all of us must respect their Freedom Of Choice. Why there is so much hatred in your Soul? Is it that you have not gotten a fair share in life? Why don't you sit down and think what you have done to be in this situation if this is the case?

-- Modified on 12/19/2001 10:21:11 AM

Dear Doc,

I stated my opinion that I disagree with your approach to reviews and your style.  If you feel like you need to defend yourself, by all means, go crazy.  Heck, why don't you be in the pornos themselves? The kind of money you're spending, you could easily produce, direct, and star in your own!  Then I can rent you at my local store, now wouldn't that shut me right up.  You'll be the Dick Bass of pornography. LOL.  

But all kidding aside, I would hope that your review record would speak for itself, but apparently you feel that it doesn't, IMHO that is telling.  As for your challenge, I'll politely decline, other readers can follow up if they care (or are considering seeing one of the providers you've reviewed) and draw their own conclusions.

I do appreciate all the research links and photo links you have offered, but my opinion remains unchanged, based on your posts and reviews to this board (I made no claims about other boards), you are a "braggart" reviewer, more interested in glowing, hyper-positive reviews, rather than helping out your fellow hobbyists with good, objective information.  

My opinion remains that many of your posts, even if not fiction, might as well be, due to their lack of any useful detail, and your proclivity to pump up providers (and yourself) beyond reason.  If I'm not mistaken, the rating, "Once in a lifetime" means you should only use that rating once, however, you seem to use it quite liberally, just how many lifetimes are you planning to have?

Again, all jokes aside, it's a matter of reviewing style, I'm sure many readers like your stuff, and although they may not follow you, they at least enjoy your tales.  I'm not one of them.  Again, this is my opinion, naturally, I don't expect you to agree.  

As you mention, the point is mostly moot anyway, because the large majority of hobbyists are unwilling or unable to pay the kind of money you claim to pay for sessions. It's unlikely that many "follow-ups" will ever appear for many of these women.  For this reason, I'll thankfully concede that your reviews are mostly harmless "Penthouse" forum style stories, not really sandbagging anybody with malicious or shill intent.

The reason I brought up Purelust's lack of credibility, is because you challenged 7Deadly for the same reason, yet now turn around and try to claim that Purelust is somehow more credible.  You can't have it both ways.  If reviews are a metric for credibility on this board, 7Deadly and Purelust are dead even at zero.  

As for your postscripts, bringing up hatred, who has what in life, how people sleep at night, September 11th etc., I'm not sure where you are coming from with these points.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but did I bring up any of these issues in my posts?  I've simply stated my opinion of the material that you generate on this board.  

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Workin' all day for the boss man WHOAH
Workin' for the company WHOAH YEAH
Bettin' on the dice I'm tossin' WHOAH
Gonna' have a fantasy WHOAH YEAH

iceman

Greetings i_c_e_m_a_n,

I thought you would do your followers a favor and confront me with my alleged faked posts but I guess it won't happen.

I know you will never agree with me but I would not say the same for you; if I see that you have posted something I find interesting or that I can add my little grain of salt I will post since that is what this is all about, sharing information and not attacking members because one has more resources than others or ones style is not acceptable to others.

O well, Peace to you and your followers and Happy Holidays,

The Good Doctor
PS. Since you are from Seattle I recommend you meeting Seattle's Pornstar Candy Cotton, http://www.eros-seattle.com/ads/se-cotton1.htm, considered one of the best currently in the circuit based on all but good reviews and very affordable $$$$$. I have not met her yet but I sure hope I do some day, peharps she could become your "Once In A Life Time" provider.

PS. As for my Postscripts, read yours were you mention about me sleeping with the light on, were you call me all kind of names, were you try to degrade and belittle me for one sole purpose which you would never achieve.

PS. Based on your theory of rating only one provider “Once In a Life Time” we would have to add an Edit option in our reviews in order to apply your theory and/or we would also have to throw out many good reviews from other members that do not partake with your theory and have rated many providers “Once In A Life Time” too several times.

PS. If you go to these other boards that have specific sections for Pornstars meetings and reviews you will get more reviews from those that I have already seen and from plenty others that I haven’t also. Meeting Pornstars is not a myth but a fact and has always been and there are High Rollers that due meet these High End Stars for $25K/day, something I would not do but that I know is very regular.

PS. When I spoke about those that do not post reviews I was refereeing to everyone and not to one person in particular and YES, 7DeadlySins and Purelust are part of that whole of members I was referring to and your theory of them not being credible because they have not post a review is pretty vague. Imagine if someone came on board and posted 10 faked posts from 10 providers that have been reviewed by several members of this board, does this make him a credible source? Know, lets say if someone came on board and posted 10 reviews of 10 providers that have never been reviewed before and since it is in a City/State that one might not have access to or do not have the resources, would that make him a non-credible source? Give me a break!

-- Modified on 12/19/2001 8:37:53 PM

redeem my good (yeah, right) name is to finally start posting reviews......NOT. You would think that one of the lovely ladies who have met Purelust over the years (ok, this week) would jump to save his honor. But since that does not appear to be happening, guess I really am a fraud. OR, maybe the ladies I have met only read the LA boards, or don't read any boards at all, or think that I'm an ass and wouldn't save me from drowning even if I hadn't paid them yet. Mongoose, stay out of this...you are, and shall always remain A Naughty Moose (anonymous), but how about NOSC, FF, Ali, Mia, Sasha, Leah, Gina, Christina, Lina, Isabella, Celeste, Sonya, Carolina, Tiffany, Brittany,

Re: I will cum to your rescue PureLust...as i did the first night we met..

This 'braying donkey' does miss you...and hopes you dont make her laugh too hard next week..we dont want a repeat of our last encounter..lol.!!!! PS..Bring your earplugs just in case!!

...is an expression I sometimes use at the end of my posts, it means, leave the lights on when you are having sex.  It used to be a slogan for a gym in Manhattan, as in, if you work out, you can "leave the lights on".  I think it's appropriate for hobbyists as well, whether they work out or not--I think most of us appreciate the visuals.  This has absolutely nothing to do with sleeping or a guilty conscience.

In addition, the other two postscripts were just taglines, one was lyrics from a Queen song called "Fat Bottom girls", the other, "Love in an Elevator" by Aerosmith, again, these were not part of the post content, just taglines, drawn from popular culture.  With regards to the Queen song, I happen to be an ass man, as for Aerosmith, I tend to be a "nooner".

I see that you missed these references completely and somehow took them as personal slights, directed at you, they were never intended as such.  Next time I'll be sure not to create such enigmatic references when posting responses to you.

You also seemed to miss the humor in in my pointing out that you liberally use the "once in a lifetime" rating.  It was meant as a little dig at your overly-optimistic reviewing style.  I have no doubt many others have done the same, they make me chuckle a little too.  At no point did I ever call you names, in any of my posts.  If you feel that way, I apologize, but would ask that you re-read the posts more carefully.

As for your "tip" about Candy Cotton, my advice is to read the reviews.  I've met her at a local provider/hobbyist party, seen her dance at Rick's, and can provide an opinion on her looks and attitude.  As far as service, fortunately, a critical, objective reviewer has seen and reviewed her here, and while brief, he mentioned several significant caveats.  Amen. I would advise anyone to do their homework before booking.  

Have fun, stay safe, and leave the lights ON!
iceman

Guys,

Here is Ms. Candy Cotton's most recent reviews from Seattle and Philadelphia were she is currently; Boards Members you be the judge of one credible source on TER and 6 hobbyists that aren’t from TER.

I am sure the next excuse Mr. i_c_e_m_a_n will come up with is that these are not credible reviews since they are not posted on TER and therefore are not verifiable under his standards or some other lame excuse.

I did took the time on reading through the gentleman's review and I do agree that he or any of us should NOT be pushing for a second round on those providers that DO allow it but by him addressing it, will help others that are wanting to see her to let her know that one is a Multiple Cup type of person (YMMV).

IMO, this does not make her a bad provider but as a valid point of improvement that wasn’t brought up on the other recent reviews but the opposite. I, personally ask this question as part of my research and when I go into the meeting all parties know what is expected:

http://www.bigdoggie.net/messageboards/national-pornstar/msgs/posts/12723.html

http://www.bigdoggie.net/messageboards/national-pornstar/msgs/posts/12456.html

http://www.bigdoggie.net/messageboards/philadelphia/msgs/posts/23769.html

http://www.bigdoggie.net/messageboards/philadelphia/msgs/posts/23787.html

http://public1.boards.bigdoggie.net/messageboards/seattle/msgs/posts/40680.html

http://public1.boards.bigdoggie.net/messageboards/seattle/msgs/posts/40409.html

Mr. i_c_e_m_a_n, I rest my case; after reading some of your highly rated reviews that were pointed out to me by some fellow hobbyists I was able to analyze your tastes and I can NOW understand why you might not find Candy as attractive as I and/or others might and why you don't find credible my posts even with photos that do prove that these meetings did took place but everyone has its own taste and there must be respected.

Happy holidays. I am looking forward for your next line of excuse(s)!

The Good Doctor
PS. BTW, Providers are Humans and are bound to commit errors (YMMV) like you and I might have but what makes them good providers is that they learn from their errors that are pointed out to them and improve their services. This is a general comment and is not meant for any Provider in particular.

-- Modified on 12/21/2001 12:41:09 PM

...don't you both think this has gone too far (and taken up too much space)? Get over it, move on, grow up.

Or it could be envy.  He is simply one of the most respected opinions on XXXX Ladies.  And how sophomoric to blame him if he sees women others don't.  Sheesh.

Hey Seth, WTF, right?

wink.. wink...