Telling this board not to get into an off topic rant is to invite the very rant but with that risk, I ask, out of curiosity, what is the thinking for those men who are willing to engage in employment screening or sharing IDs.  Every other ad in my market (very large) on Tryst seems to expect some variation of "need your work email, Linkedin, picture of you holding your govt issued ID" or some other combination of those.  I get the whole "her body, her rules".  I am not challenging the women, just curious as to what is the rationalization for a guy who is willing to share that info. And there has to be a significant buy-in on this type of screening because if the entire population was like the five guys from Oklahoma on this board who regularly beat their chests about how no guy would do this, these women would be seeing no one.  So, again, if you have done this, how do you rationalize sharing that much info as a client?

Despite all these claims that so many of these providers demand that all their clients jump through all these hoops before agreeing to see a client that has simply NOT been my experience. I am hardly "beating my chest" about it, it simply has not been an issue for me.  

From what I’ve been reading p411 will soon be like TER ladies aren’t accepting okays. Just my opinion.

I was lucky to get a lifetime membership on P411 when they first came to be.

There are two reasons for escorts screening clients -- to guard against LE busts, and to deter harmful actors -- actions which include extortion, theft, beatings, rape and murder.    So the motivation isn't hard to understand.
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Clients also have motivations to be forewarned of LE, ripoffs, theft, extortion, and assault/murder.
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P411 is helpful to both parties.  But P411 has its own hoops to jump in order to get listed.  And or course we clients have TER reviews or word of mouth.
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Escorts see a lot of clients that aren't on P411 or other verification sites.  They have to screen somehow.  To those who may say they shouldn't screen ... well I can't really get behind that.  I don't want these lovely ladies imprisoned or harmed.  I guess that would make me a White Knight in some views.  But I don't like ripoff escorts or fake pictures either.
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Personally I find so many options that I can't conceivably hope to fulfill in my lifetime and budget that this or that escort's excessive demands are a non-factor.  There are so many others to choose from.

TER ladies have been claiming for years that they make EVERYONE jump through the very same hoops, with or without a P 411 membership, but as I have said before my personal experience has been VERY different.

Maybe it's because I never book with the OTHBFC that this kind of thing never happens to me. But I can state categorically that only ONCE out of 300+ different independent providers that I have booked with through P 411 have I been asked for additional screening information and NEVER have I been asked to put up a deposit.  

I've only had one P411 provider request additional ID and she happens to be an active TER participant.  What I have seen is that P411 providers will contact providers appearing in my Okay list as references.
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P411 still has two ways to verify a client ... various ID/work info, or getting at least two Okays from P411 providers.  That's the way I got my P411 membership, P411 provider invites.  So I never had to give personal info.
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So I think if you contact P411 providers as your references for potential clients, they'd tell you the truth about them even if you think they were "forced" by P411 to give Okays.

It tells me that the provider is concerned with her safety, and that is always a good thing.

Letting the little head do the thinking.  

Whenever I see that a provider has a RW info or deposit requirement, I move along to the next provider. I use p411 to schedule dates and have only met one provider who required RW info.

Lester, here hold my beer for a minute and watch this!!!!  I can't speak for others but for myself you are on the money with a caveat.  The vast majority of those who inquire of me do give up that info, mostly because I guess It,only sounds reasonable when I say that if I don't know who you are then I obviously don't know the last or the next and how might thst affect your wellbeing and personal life.  Truth is many would put more thought into screening/vetting the guy retiling their bathroom than they would consideration about where they are putting their dick and with whom they are sharing their life even if only an hour.  I have always laughed at the " that is too personal for me"   seriously, what can be more personal than eating me like a slice of watermelon before going home to kiss your kids goodnight...really?

...of your post OP as you follow up on here with responses.  When you get enough of what will become the typical (or is it atypical) responses......just take a pause, smack your forehead,  shrug and remember those 21 words while you laugh it off
Suzee

Sorry but I gotta call bullshit on most of this.  I suspect that most of this is just urban myths.  I cannot see 99.9% of guys ever sharing accounts.  If either a client or provider has a valid dispute then P411 will promptly take action.  I have seen plenty of girls and guys get suspended or booted from the network.  I also don't think that they force ladies to give a guy an okay.  They might tell a lady that she should respond to a request for an okay within a reasonable time period and get on your case if you don't take action but they don't care if you approve or deny.  You just should have a reason if you deny an okay.

I was once told by a lady that too many OK's on P411 is a red flag.  Show's that I have been too active?

I limit my OK's on P 411 to about 30-40 at any one time. Even when I was seeing 10-15 new providers from P 411 each month I would limit my new oks to about one a month to keep from accumulating hundreds of them for that exact reason.  

Right on.  During my several years of fun, I have never jumped through hoops to participate. Never will.

Yes, ladies sometimes avoid guys with tons of Okays or reviews to their names/handles.

I think it's the same standard that a lot of guys use. They want an experienced, professional provider, but they don't want one with "too many" reviews. Kind of dumb, isn't it? lol

Some of these same companions complain about guys who refuse to see touring providers or anyone whom they think is NOT "very low volume" ....  they don't want to be judged or discriminated against, yet that's exactly what they're doing to the more prolific clients.  

This may work both ways.  I know several ladies that introduce their new lady friends to their guy friends that have written several reviews (50+) because they know that is the most efficient way to get her business to take off: get a glowing review from a credible, established guy that has written plenty of reviews.  So while some ladies may avoid guys that have written too many reviews others will rush to them.  

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So, I didn’t verify for the first two years in this world but after an unfortunate event, I saw the importance of it. I also saw a terrifying video on Twitter that a provider posted showing her attacker rummaging through her stuff while she laid in her bedroom almost dying because he had cut her so badly. Since then, I haven’t seen one guy who won’t verify with  rw information. It’s not that I want you all to jump through hoops, but I couldn’t do a good job if I didn’t have basic information about a guest in my place.  
I thought not being on P411 was going to be detrimental because of screening but it really just cuts out the middle man. So as an independent in exile, lol it’s crucial to just give me the info. Then if you don’t hurt me or arrest me, I delete the image or link. So far it’s kept me safe and it gives me peace of mind. Then I can concentrate on you and provide to the best of my ability wo having distracting thoughts. Thank you to the guys who don’t give me grief and book.

I will not see anyone that I can not verify - now by verify it doesnt mean that I need your ID,social security card and birth certificate.  
IN THE EVENT that the client requesting an appointment has NO FORM OF 1st TIER REFERENCE which means No p411 OK's, No TER reviews, No provider reference or no hobby presence whatsoever., then I request a 2ND TIER FORM of reference, LINKEDIN,FB,INSTA,ETC.... That account has to have the name you are booking under and has to be older than at least 4 years and must have recent activity on it.... IN THE EVENT of not having any of the above I require the 3rd Tier which is Business card with your name on it or Pic of your ID, address can be blacked out I just want proof you are who you say you are. But that is only if you have NONE of the other things asked.
I find alot of guys who dont do this often or dont have references have no issues giving me what I ask for. For me if you dont have any of those things and you dont feel comfortable ID'ing yourself then  I dont feel comfortabe seeing you.

And as Suzee said it seperates the whiny little boys from the Cowboys lol,
I liked that!
It really does go to show the kind of person you are and what kind of date you would be having. I don't even entertain guys who give me a hard time with reply's like ... Is there another way I can be verified (did you not read my website and info. There are like 20 ways?) or .....why do i have to be (are you an idiot)? Or...... Im not giving that information, I've never had too and I've never had a problem now lets just book this date (pretentious much...definitely not seeing this one).... LOL ... How easy/hard it is with screening usually shows alot about someone's character.

For whatever it is worth, I am on the provider's side on this one.  You all take enough risks as it is to help us get our rocks off, a little consideration on our end to ease any anxiety is reasonable.

Sorry this happened to you.  Another reason I firmly believe in a CONCRETE SOP and I stick with it without exception while also maintaining situational awareness my flexibility only comes into play when i decide it is necessary to improvise adapt and overcome, ie Cut & Run.

I don't do revievies so I generally don't use providers for screening. I don't have a problem using employment info or other personal info required. I could really give a shit who knows who I'm fucking.

I do have a suggestion for those pros who refer potential customer back to their website (not to mention doing so in a condescending tone.)  What's they say in marketing ... always be closing.  Customer questions are a gifted opportunity to extoll your wonderful services.  Remember, coffee's for closers.

At first contact i always refer potential clients to my website because i have to verify them first before i answer any questions... and most questions can be answered on my website or thru my reviews. But I have no issue discussing anything AFTER i have screened them =)

I honestly don't care what kind of information you need to feel comfortable. Obviously you want to keep yourself safe, that should NEVER be the issue. What is the issue for me is the feeling that a woman is making me "jump through hoops" in order to get an appointment with her and that is something I will NEVER do.

Thanks GG and I never have would have  assumed that you were one of the "bullies" I referred to that rejected an intrusion.  I keep pretty good track of my hits and misses though and I can accurately say that 90t+% that do are in that group, just like the ladies who can't merely say GreatGuy they just can't say okay no thanks.  Anyone that knows me also knows I love to talk ( or stuff a dick in my mouth) but it is amazing that those who actually inquire of me will freely give up essentials (when necessary)
if they just stop and ask questions of me ......or maybe they just want to stuff a dick in my mouth to shut me up!!!!    
Ring Ring  
Hello this is Suzee  
Suzee this is WhamBam from TER and it is your lucky day, I have 68 reviews and I'm gonna make you lucky number 69
UhHuh....I am gonna need some screening info if you are interested in visiting, whats your real name?
But I'm  WhamBam and I have a 68 reviews and Whitelist too....you need reviews i see, maybe a little discount too for a good review
Ummmmm...no thanks, I actually enjoyFUCKING , not being FUCKED WITH OR  FUCKED OVER,  
CLICKmmmmm

Why is everyone mentioning your age as a reason to be nice once in awhile?  Tell them you have always been nice when there is a REASON to be nice.  Otherwise, they get the asshole treatment.  I'll back you that.  LOL

Since Date-check left, TER went off shore, COVID and my best agency shutdown, I have been very low volume. Stopped seeing independent girls (other than a regular) for more than a year.  

That is awful,  I can only imagine the stress  and anxiety that caused for you, nobody deserves that nor does THEIR FAMILY and LOVED ONES..   My goodness though that does beg the question of how did this happen twice in 9 months  or less to you, TWICE, really....not doubting you at all but among this seasoned crew here,has that ever happened TWICE to you and in just a matter of a few months.  It seems that after the one offense .you found by reviewing her Twitter that she had a history  of misbehaviour, which would have been detected had you maybe put more thought into vetting HER completely and thoroughly rather than just checking her "stellar " reviews.  A second question  would be was the other miscreant a little known provider with no real track record maybe, TOFTT sort of  maybe possibly....just saying.  I have long thought about and said here many put more thought and effort into vetting a bathroom tiling contractor or lawn service than a pretty face with a great set of bolt ons.  Seriously..........

One other suggestion I might offer regarding the reviews you write. If providers are giving you blowback for writing honest reviews you could always start writing them under an alias, that way as long as you aren't too specific with the details they won't know it's you writing them.

Mmmmm.....i think an amendment may be in order.  After reading your post again, the numbers have me a little confused.  
1 was a 400 girl who threatened post on Twitter over a kuss upcharge didn't but had in the past (before you saw her?)  
2 was a well reviewed  provider who didn't do it to you but to another and posted on Twitter  
3 and 4 were girls who threatened in retaliation of reviews or a lack thereof

Likewise.  No issues with P411

Your 3 points are 100% correct. And your original post opinion is correct. I  definitely TOFTT and also was sloppy in my research. Like I said, my hobby technique is a bit rusty and am relearning.

We don't (well, I don't) actually know who owns or runs P411 now that Gina reetired and sold it.  But so far it seems to be functioning the same as always.