Why is everyone mentioning your age as a reason to be nice once in awhile? Tell them you have always been nice when there is a REASON to be nice. Otherwise, they get the asshole treatment. I'll back you that. LOL
Telling this board not to get into an off topic rant is to invite the very rant but with that risk, I ask, out of curiosity, what is the thinking for those men who are willing to engage in employment screening or sharing IDs. Every other ad in my market (very large) on Tryst seems to expect some variation of "need your work email, Linkedin, picture of you holding your govt issued ID" or some other combination of those. I get the whole "her body, her rules". I am not challenging the women, just curious as to what is the rationalization for a guy who is willing to share that info. And there has to be a significant buy-in on this type of screening because if the entire population was like the five guys from Oklahoma on this board who regularly beat their chests about how no guy would do this, these women would be seeing no one. So, again, if you have done this, how do you rationalize sharing that much info as a client?
Despite all these claims that so many of these providers demand that all their clients jump through all these hoops before agreeing to see a client that has simply NOT been my experience. I am hardly "beating my chest" about it, it simply has not been an issue for me.
I am a P 411 member with plenty of Okays and that has been more than enough to pass the screening of over 99% of the independent providers I have booked with using P 411.
I agree there must be a "significant buy in" on the type of screening you mention because so many guys come on the boards to whine about it, but speaking strictly for myself, it simply has not been a problem I have run into. I also agree that if guys would refuse en masse to jump through these kinds of ridiculous hoops the women would by necessity have to quit demanding it.
There are two reasons for escorts screening clients -- to guard against LE busts, and to deter harmful actors -- actions which include extortion, theft, beatings, rape and murder. So the motivation isn't hard to understand.
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Clients also have motivations to be forewarned of LE, ripoffs, theft, extortion, and assault/murder.
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P411 is helpful to both parties. But P411 has its own hoops to jump in order to get listed. And or course we clients have TER reviews or word of mouth.
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Escorts see a lot of clients that aren't on P411 or other verification sites. They have to screen somehow. To those who may say they shouldn't screen ... well I can't really get behind that. I don't want these lovely ladies imprisoned or harmed. I guess that would make me a White Knight in some views. But I don't like ripoff escorts or fake pictures either.
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Personally I find so many options that I can't conceivably hope to fulfill in my lifetime and budget that this or that escort's excessive demands are a non-factor. There are so many others to choose from.
Lester, here hold my beer for a minute and watch this!!!! I can't speak for others but for myself you are on the money with a caveat. The vast majority of those who inquire of me do give up that info, mostly because I guess It,only sounds reasonable when I say that if I don't know who you are then I obviously don't know the last or the next and how might thst affect your wellbeing and personal life. Truth is many would put more thought into screening/vetting the guy retiling their bathroom than they would consideration about where they are putting their dick and with whom they are sharing their life even if only an hour. I have always laughed at the " that is too personal for me" seriously, what can be more personal than eating me like a slice of watermelon before going home to kiss your kids goodnight...really?
As for 411, I view it but like like Lexi here whom correctly states it is not truly a verification site,,i too believe it is more of a platform or a clearing house where both myself and others can meet with an understanding that they are at least somewhat legit. In fact the rules (unless recently changed) in re a Client meeting requires that he/she exhibit to the Companion/Provider the ID used in their application to 411 that displays the information corresponding to their 411 ID#, should you not the Provider/Companion has grounds for cancellation. An ironic side note is those who seem to be so concerned rarely provide a photo of themselves on their 411 Profile, in fact scarce as hens teeth they are.....though I am fairly certain I have never seen an unknown anonymous brown bag Provider/Companion, every provider has a photo somewhere. Further with those so often somewhat bellicose who have double/triple digit accomplishments here and there consider that possibly you may be seeking unconsciously similiar Providers and further maybe they are just a little overwhelmed by those same accomplishments ... just saying.
I will say this in summary, with rare exceptions those who have complied with my screening requests and there have been many, no matter their socio-economic status i have always found to be gracious, graceful and thoughtful but strong men. On the other hand those who have refused, cajoled, wheedled,weaseled, and attempted intimidation without exception have been rude, demanding, privileged and bullying (God knows how they would have been in person).....in short the screening separates the Real Men from the whiny little boys for me.
So you are right Lester about moving' in or movin' on there are plenty of little doggies out there, saddle up and ride Cowboy or stay on the porch and suck hind tit as my Pops woulda said.
Suzee
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From what I’ve been reading p411 will soon be like TER ladies aren’t accepting okays. Just my opinion.
TER ladies have been claiming for years that they make EVERYONE jump through the very same hoops, with or without a P 411 membership, but as I have said before my personal experience has been VERY different.
I know I can only speak for myself and my personal experience is anecdotal at best, but my sample size is pretty large. I have booked at least 300 sessions through P 411 over a period of several years and only ONE indy girl has ever asked me to jump through any extra hoops, only two other times was I ever asked to provide any additional screening information and both those times were by agencies.
I think it may be a case of these ladies beating their own chests about how demanding their screening is in the hopes that weak minded guys will simply fall in line, but whatever it is, it hasn't affected me in the slightest. On any given day there are several hundred P 411 providers to pick from in my market. None of them are so special that I would think even for a moment about jumping through a bunch of silly hoops in order to give them money.
I was lucky to get a lifetime membership on P411 when they first came to be.
Now with nearly 200 reviews on TER and nearly 40 okays on P411 I think I am set for life.
I was once told by a lady that too many OK's on P411 is a red flag. Show's that I have been too active?
WTF, isn't that what the hobby is suppose to be?
I limit my OK's on P 411 to about 30-40 at any one time. Even when I was seeing 10-15 new providers from P 411 each month I would limit my new oks to about one a month to keep from accumulating hundreds of them for that exact reason.
In the old days it was easy to run up way too many oks without even asking for them because providers could ok every guy that they saw if they wanted to. Several years ago Gina changed the rules and now a provider can only OK a client if he asks for one. 10-15 new Ok's a year is about perfect. 10-15 a month makes you look like a man whore. lol
I have even been told in person at places like the Del Rey that I was known for "seeing too many women" lol I find it hugely ironic when I am doing more fucking than the hookers I see. lmao
Yes, ladies sometimes avoid guys with tons of Okays or reviews to their names/handles.
Some because they automatically judge him to be a "slobbyist" but other ladies just feel weird about it for unexplained reasons.
I've even had a couple ladies ask me about a couple of clients who have written hundreds of reviews here, saying they were hesitant about seeing them. There's a conception that anyone who sees as many ladies as GaGambler does treats women like objects and is anything but a gentleman.
I disagree. Man-whores can be great company and "respectful, selective gentlemen" with only a dozen okays, can be awful.
You just never know. 
I think it's the same standard that a lot of guys use. They want an experienced, professional provider, but they don't want one with "too many" reviews. Kind of dumb, isn't it? lol
So yes, if it's dumb when the guys do it I guess it's equally as dumb when the ladies do it too.
Some of these same companions complain about guys who refuse to see touring providers or anyone whom they think is NOT "very low volume" .... they don't want to be judged or discriminated against, yet that's exactly what they're doing to the more prolific clients.
Judging books by their covers is certainly time-saving, but hardly an enriching experience. 
This may work both ways. I know several ladies that introduce their new lady friends to their guy friends that have written several reviews (50+) because they know that is the most efficient way to get her business to take off: get a glowing review from a credible, established guy that has written plenty of reviews. So while some ladies may avoid guys that have written too many reviews others will rush to them.
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It tells me that the provider is concerned with her safety, and that is always a good thing.
After all, who isn't concerned with screening? LE, that's who.
Letting the little head do the thinking.
I used to be that stupid/naive. I'd guess that most newbies have never heard of TER or would search for a how-to forum before procuring their first p4p experience.
Then there's the experienced monger who either has nothing to lose or figures "so far nothing bad has happened, so I'll just go with it."
Whenever I see that a provider has a RW info or deposit requirement, I move along to the next provider. I use p411 to schedule dates and have only met one provider who required RW info.
...of your post OP as you follow up on here with responses. When you get enough of what will become the typical (or is it atypical) responses......just take a pause, smack your forehead, shrug and remember those 21 words while you laugh it off
Suzee
So, I didn’t verify for the first two years in this world but after an unfortunate event, I saw the importance of it. I also saw a terrifying video on Twitter that a provider posted showing her attacker rummaging through her stuff while she laid in her bedroom almost dying because he had cut her so badly. Since then, I haven’t seen one guy who won’t verify with rw information. It’s not that I want you all to jump through hoops, but I couldn’t do a good job if I didn’t have basic information about a guest in my place.
I thought not being on P411 was going to be detrimental because of screening but it really just cuts out the middle man. So as an independent in exile, lol it’s crucial to just give me the info. Then if you don’t hurt me or arrest me, I delete the image or link. So far it’s kept me safe and it gives me peace of mind. Then I can concentrate on you and provide to the best of my ability wo having distracting thoughts. Thank you to the guys who don’t give me grief and book.
I will not see anyone that I can not verify - now by verify it doesnt mean that I need your ID,social security card and birth certificate.
IN THE EVENT that the client requesting an appointment has NO FORM OF 1st TIER REFERENCE which means No p411 OK's, No TER reviews, No provider reference or no hobby presence whatsoever., then I request a 2ND TIER FORM of reference, LINKEDIN,FB,INSTA,ETC.... That account has to have the name you are booking under and has to be older than at least 4 years and must have recent activity on it.... IN THE EVENT of not having any of the above I require the 3rd Tier which is Business card with your name on it or Pic of your ID, address can be blacked out I just want proof you are who you say you are. But that is only if you have NONE of the other things asked.
I find alot of guys who dont do this often or dont have references have no issues giving me what I ask for. For me if you dont have any of those things and you dont feel comfortable ID'ing yourself then I dont feel comfortabe seeing you.
A lot of you guys seem to think we just want that info for nefarious reasons when alot of us really dont care who you atre or what you do in your personal life. All we want to know is that you are not a COP or a serial killer. And not wanting to prove that is kinda creepy. I understand not wanting to give your info out to someone you dont know but what can a girl really do with just your name and pic? You give that info out probably 1000 times a day whether on the street,at a gas station,buying something online. So it really makes me wonder what have you got to hide?
And as Suzee said it seperates the whiny little boys from the Cowboys lol,
I liked that!
It really does go to show the kind of person you are and what kind of date you would be having. I don't even entertain guys who give me a hard time with reply's like ... Is there another way I can be verified (did you not read my website and info. There are like 20 ways?) or .....why do i have to be (are you an idiot)? Or...... Im not giving that information, I've never had too and I've never had a problem now lets just book this date (pretentious much...definitely not seeing this one).... LOL ... How easy/hard it is with screening usually shows alot about someone's character.
For whatever it is worth, I am on the provider's side on this one. You all take enough risks as it is to help us get our rocks off, a little consideration on our end to ease any anxiety is reasonable.
I do have a suggestion for those pros who refer potential customer back to their website (not to mention doing so in a condescending tone.) What's they say in marketing ... always be closing. Customer questions are a gifted opportunity to extoll your wonderful services. Remember, coffee's for closers.
At first contact i always refer potential clients to my website because i have to verify them first before i answer any questions... and most questions can be answered on my website or thru my reviews. But I have no issue discussing anything AFTER i have screened them =)
I don't do revievies so I generally don't use providers for screening. I don't have a problem using employment info or other personal info required. I could really give a shit who knows who I'm fucking.
Since Date-check left, TER went off shore, COVID and my best agency shutdown, I have been very low volume. Stopped seeing independent girls (other than a regular) for more than a year.
I recently started to get back in the game and complied with the linkedin and ID requests. This was a HUGE MISTAKE! One girl charged 400 and then tried to upsell for a kiss. I refused and she threatened to publish my info. I tracked down her twitter page and she has done so in the past. A highly reviewed provider did the same on her twitter account. On that one, the guy got twitter to pull it down. The other is still up.
I was threatened by two providers who had my info if I did not pull less than flattering reviews. Bottom line, I made a mistake providing such info.
That being said, I might provide if I could verify the girl (but, the one high reviewed gal did it). This has caused me to pass up on some opportunities. But, I do not see any other choice. I am debating getting a new P411 (had one many years ago) and developing a reference list again.
Since being out of the game for a time, much has changed and not for the better.
That is awful, I can only imagine the stress and anxiety that caused for you, nobody deserves that nor does THEIR FAMILY and LOVED ONES.. My goodness though that does beg the question of how did this happen twice in 9 months or less to you, TWICE, really....not doubting you at all but among this seasoned crew here,has that ever happened TWICE to you and in just a matter of a few months. It seems that after the one offense .you found by reviewing her Twitter that she had a history of misbehaviour, which would have been detected had you maybe put more thought into vetting HER completely and thoroughly rather than just checking her "stellar " reviews. A second question would be was the other miscreant a little known provider with no real track record maybe, TOFTT sort of maybe possibly....just saying. I have long thought about and said here many put more thought and effort into vetting a bathroom tiling contractor or lawn service than a pretty face with a great set of bolt ons. Seriously..........
Suzee
Mmmmm.....i think an amendment may be in order. After reading your post again, the numbers have me a little confused.
1 was a 400 girl who threatened post on Twitter over a kuss upcharge didn't but had in the past (before you saw her?)
2 was a well reviewed provider who didn't do it to you but to another and posted on Twitter
3 and 4 were girls who threatened in retaliation of reviews or a lack thereof
Just trying to wrap my mind around this calamity, I get it now but my opinion remains the same
Suzee
Your 3 points are 100% correct. And your original post opinion is correct. I definitely TOFTT and also was sloppy in my research. Like I said, my hobby technique is a bit rusty and am relearning.
One other suggestion I might offer regarding the reviews you write. If providers are giving you blowback for writing honest reviews you could always start writing them under an alias, that way as long as you aren't too specific with the details they won't know it's you writing them.
Back to P 411, I have been a member for years and I haven't had any of the problems that many of you have been running into over the last few months/years. I have had ZERO ripoffs and no screening issues even with P 411 providers without reviews.
Likewise. No issues with P411
We don't (well, I don't) actually know who owns or runs P411 now that Gina reetired and sold it. But so far it seems to be functioning the same as always.