What do YOU do with all our personal information after verification and a solid visit?  What do you think most other girls/agencies do with this personal information after verification and a solid visit?  You do you; it's just a question.  

Things are not always the way they look. You can negotiate, and not just price, but other things as well..  

have to risk it all for some vag.  Within the boundaries and safety of both parties of course.  I have always argued that current WL's on TER should suffice as screening, some won't accept it while others have scheduled with me simply from a PM through here.  I have also argued that P411 should be the primary tool for setting up a date, but even there you have some providers that want even more personal information, others that won't see you if your "Okays" aren't current enough, you have too many, or not enough of them.  Even with references, some providers have ridiculous rules that require you to see them semi regularly just to get a reference to see another provider, and there's also the whole jealousy within the hobby itself that has been discussed plenty.  Some ladies take it too far.  Again, I'll circle back to P411, if that isn't good enough then I'll move on and save my bread.  

Soooo ... you delete our information once you've verified?  Correct?  Are you the norm or the exception?  Again, you do you.  Just a couple of questions, since you brought it up.  

It may very well be because business is slow, or just out of ignorance. One thing is for sure, you will eventually find yourself face to face with LE. As the old saying goes, "desperate times call for desperate measures." Nothing good can come out of not screening. You can't run in between raindrops forever.

Mainly because people seem to have plenty of money to spend on everything else, like houses, cars, etc. Not to mention the amount of pent-up horniness that's built up.

screening is cut back, it's harvest time for LE.  That seems to be when agencies get busted in LA.   It usually happens when screening is relaxed due to a temporary slowdown.  

for 20 months, a lot of scammers took advantage of customers by misusing their screening information or outright blackmail scams.  Many stories of trouble caused by these providers ended up on this board.  You can look back and find them.  Consequently, many customers are more resistant to providing too much personal information in order to get screened by a provider.  Many times, higher end customers are the ones Providers seek out, but the more a man has to lose if it's discovered that he dabbles in P4P, the more likely he will resist intensive screening that allows you to do a full verification of who he is.  The guys that will hand over their life story are blackmail-proof (which does not automatically mean they are NOT also high end) and have nothing to lose if you put a story on the front page of the Times that they see sex workers.  For some, it's a badge of honor.  Lol

Bullshit.  When agencies get busted, it's because of the nosey neighbor.  Not because of the screening.  You should know pork.  

As I was making my plans for Vegas, I wanted to see someone new. So I reached out to a few ladies who have a "Screening is a must" on their site/ad. Now, I'm not good at giving references, I hate it but I gave it a whack without the references...and the three ladies I reached out to, had no problem seeing me. They didn't ask for a deposit,didn't bring up references. I didn't go through P411 (Not a member anymore) I just text them, chatted a few times, gave them my sad song and dance and voila, I was set. Now if they don't show up then that'll be a different story.
Funny is that didn't ask for anything personal or out of the norm.
Shit,Maybe I can now crack the code to the whole KGirl scene...nah, never mind.

And if it's deleted, is the info deleted properly? Or does it just sit in the trash forever? And is the phone secure to begin with?  

Maybe that's with girls who offer greek?

The oldest profession in the world is NOT struggling.  Providers and agencies that overcharge and over-verify are the ones struggling.  If the cops are sending someone to infiltrate you, you're doing something more than the plain vanilla sex for money; they also go for the lowest hanging fruit with the most amount of pizzazz.  So why do you need to know where I eat, shit and play?  My opinion, you don't, but YOU do YOU and what makes you feel safe.  I will never suggest otherwise, but I'll do me and what makes me feel safe.  BTW, you're incredibly sexy and Montreal is a beautiful/artistic city, love those murals.  Also, if pork wants after you, it's an unfortunate misallocation of funds with ALL the other real crimes going on today.

...that refusing to screen is still participating in screening. It just means you fail lmao

Even in Canadian Dollars this is still just my opinion for what it is worth.  I joined P411 when it started because I liked the concept.  Hobbyists could join and build their reputation over time and if a provider wanted to verify you when you met the last 4 digits of your DL were proof of who you were.  Between my Okays and the agreed to protocol to show my license on request in support of my P411 profile, I have never had an issue and I think maybe once was asked to show my DL.

let me repeat something said many time ..   as soon as the girl is ready to send me her personal info and her drivers license, then p411 Okays and TER white lists will have to do.    this especially for girls that only have a couple suspicious  reviews  ( reviews from guys whose only post is a review for that girl)  and no p411 account !  

That is correct. Also if you do not screen, the wiser hobbyists will not see you.

Unfortunately, the bullshit's on you.  I agree that nosey neighbors CAN be a source of LE reporting for ladies using an apartment incall, but that's not even the number two threat, much less number one.  I go to some apartment incalls that have been at the same location for 2-3 years.   What do you have, about 30 reviews since 2017?  That's about 6 a year.  Tell you what, get some more experience, become a VIP customer with a few bookers, date some agency girls in real life on the outside, then come back when you know what you're talking about.   I promise to at least listen.  

Agree. There’s an apartment incall in Vegas that’s been in the same place since 2015 when I started going there. And the police station is right across the street.

Im having the same issues, what I think you gentleman fail to understand is that you have a 75% Idea of who is walking through your door by reading our reviews, visiting our websites , and also seeing what other sites we post on and the info provided on them.

From my end what you are saying and requiring is more then reasonable. If myself or others can not supply a reference or two you absolutely need something else. Any provider that does not want at least what you are asking I do not want to see. Am not hearing deposits so with your screening requirements anyone trying to schedule and not provide one of the items you ask - CRICKETS

Agreed.  You DO need to screen.  And as always, you do you.  I personally like that you take references and P411.  In most cases, I don't think that we are worried about the particular provider that some of us give our identification to, but if you get busted, we do NOT want a call from pork OR your ex/current/future pimp, Or your ex/current/future boyfriend/husband/family/relation/do-gooder/anyone, OR our names posted on some website, whether it's 10 minutes from giving the information to you or 10 days/10 months/10 years.  Some of us, say that we have no exposure, but I will guess that 95% of us have a lot to loose, whether it's our JOB(security clearance)/family/friends/anyone we care about/jail.  Ask anyone on the Ash**y Mad*son list.  If it really goes both ways and to repeat NEVERTOOLARGE, I would know your real name and address too.  What do you do with the information that you receive?  Is it deleted afterwards?  Again, YOU do YOU and whatever makes you feel safe.  

You advertise on P411.  Why isn’t being a P411 member with 6+ reviews suffice?

You advertise on p411.  Why does a p411 admirer with 6+ Recent OKs not suffice?

Victoria Jolie, first let me say I'm a HUGE fan! You're crazy fucking hot and don't let anyone tell you any different!  

You pretty much nailed it for me.  I have too much at risk to ever provide my real name or dl.  I did that one time, ten years ago, with p411, and maintain that continuous membership for the purpose of verification.  I respect that may not be enough for some, but it has served me well so far.  I expect that will remain the case until I retire from the hobby.

I've been with VJ several times, so GFY.
Also, I've only paid a deposit once and it was to a mutual friend in LV so she could get her car out of hock. I knew it was zero risk because she was a friend of you and a few others and we were all going to a party in LV so there was no way she'd stiff me.
Last, you'll almost certainly never read this because you almost never come back to this site after an occasional random post. Come back, throw a bomb, disappear.
LOL.

To you.. See he doesn't like you that much after all.

I am Sorry Victoria… in reposted under Tina’s reply.  That was who it was intended for.

Wasn't on Christmas Eve? Fun times always with you, mi amor!

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I don't wanna get between your love fest, but you do realize she is French and "mi amor" is Spanish for "my love", right?

And VJ, being a classic courtesan, speaks ALL the languages of love. She has a VERY talented tongue.

of love without a single dollar sign in your post?   Lol