What do you think the success rate is for providers transitioning from "hooking" to pursuing a career in the conventional business world? Understanding the attraction of flexible hours, potential for fast cash, the rush of knowing clients will bankrupt themselves to see you. How does this compare to the corporate grind with it's regimentation and lower pay but greater security and opportunity for advancement. For those with "advanced degrees", how do you explain the extended gaps in employment on your resume?  

London Rayne just did it, as have many others.  Also, many gals do this part time and have a "real" job or business as well, or are putting themselves through school.
Besides, whatever any gal tells you about her "other life" should be taken with several grains of salt. You have no right to expect the truth about her real self.

Besides, whatever any gal tells you about her "other life" should be taken with several grains of salt. You have no right to expect the truth about her real self.

Learning to assess and adapt quickly to a client's mood seems to translate directly to the same for any customer in just about any environment. Adhering to screening and appointment protocol seems to directly translate. Scheduling and meeting timelines (although it seems like this may be a common gap with most providers). Willingness to adapt to customers requests within hard set parameters. I can imagine that the psychology or dealing with different personalities in such an intimate environment is a huge learned skill. I think being a provider is a great way for a woman to prepare for the conventional business world, in fact I believe it gives them a leg up. Hell if I were a woman I'd tap that resource.

I agree for a customer service job or in retail sales, but what about the MBA's? Would you say the hooker skills translate into those required of middle management and ultimately executive positions? I don't quite see it myself.

While the overall success rate may be a rather low percentage, I know of several ladies who made the transition you speak of with no issues whatsoever.

I don't fully believe anything I'm told, except in a very few cases where we have more than a "hooker/John" relationship.

Exactly my question. The part time while pursuing your career makes sense. I was considering the other scenario: from full-time provider to full time corporate worker seems more difficult. Both in getting hired and the structure the job would entail.  I don't think many high end girls are accustomed to the 40-50 hour work week of the new hire who aspires to become CEO one day

My thoughts were directed to middle management and executive positions and not at all to retail sales. Middle management and executives have customers too, and the key to remember is that not all customers are external, often times internal customers are the key customers.

Believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see. A solid motto to live by, imho.

Great oral skills, results oriented, worked under many successful business mentors, marketing and sales experience with high demand products, stays on top of pressing issues! Lol

And it's really true. As far as your comment about gap in employment on her Resume, hopefully these women are paying taxes on at least part of their income (as the IRS will find them if not) and they can fill that gap with that they attempted to start and grow their own business, but in the end it failed as most start ups do. This also reflects entrepreneurship, another bonus.

Many ladies are first rate business people and will do quite well. Others seem to always have a cloud of dust and turmoil surrounding them all the time and can not seem to make ends meet. These ladies will fail big time.

What you say. I have to say that I'm skeptical this would actually be realized in the real world. Any perspectives from the ladies would be very interesting as well.

I do know of another provider I have seen that also started out in corp America and had a descent career before switching gears.  She claims she won't ever go back now.  But then again, if Nicky and Russ are right, it could just be BS she made up for interesting conversation during our down time...

Then why would you not concede that most of us had jobs in the RW before coming here, and can easily return back when we decide it's worth it? Some things are worth more than fast cash and sleeping until noon... family and stability are among them. Some providers do their time here, and move on just like that. If you have even a four year degree or sales experience, you're not exactly going to be homeless. Many providers came here mid 20s to go back to school for a higher degree, and once completed with a job secured, they leave. The allure of this business wears off my friend, so don't be so clueless.  

Those skills were learned long before most became escorts dear, and if you think an MBA in Marketing won't correlate with being an escort, it's obvious you have never taken such classes. Everything an escort does or does not do here, is marketing. The ability for one girl to sell herself for 1k when she is older and fatter than hundreds selling it for 300, is simply genius. Nothing about that girl is better than the next, but her package (Marketing) made it appear so, and so many of you bought it... literally. That's knowing your target market, what they will pay, and having a sense of Economics to strive for Equilibrium vs. having to screw 10 guys a week at 300 a pop, when you can screw 3 at 1000.

And she told me she got into Escorting because she lost her job as a Pharma Rep...

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success stories re. this topic.

There are so many skills/knowledge that could be learned/cultivated as a provider that I would not at all be surprised about the success rates. As with any other line of work or career stepping stone you'll find those that are not motivated or those that don't have clear objectives and those folks will always get left behind. We are all in the positions that we put ourselves, we all make decisions and choices that will have an affect on our future.  

who has the firm picking up the hotel and meal costs to boot.

I have reg job and sex worker. I started doing this 5 yrs ago when factory shut doors. Thanks!

Yes, I would.

When?  

did work at a highly regimented and supervised job (think civil service). I don't think I'd ever be able to function in such an environment again...well, not happily, anyway.  

Provider income is neither secure nor stable...

Agreeing with almost everything you say.

Much like with hooking, my time has passed. I don't want anything physical to get me a job, nor keep it. I've worked for everything I have, and by the grace of God, it finally came to pass. Yes, a hooker can still trust God ha ha.

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No religion here... just a common respect, and giving credit where it's due. Biaaaaaaaatch!

I know and work with many successful women. My question was fairly simple. My only observation is that if, as several posters have alluded to, prostitution is the next great training ground for executives then this is news to me. I just wondered how many were successful in making the jump back.

And she was lamenting that God was getting back at her for her "evil" ways.

Exactly my thoughts.

Most women would not engage in prostitution under any circumstances.  Hence you only have a very small pool of women who ever venture into this cesspool.  Of those that do become hookers...only a small number of them are able to get decent paying work in the real world.

An urge to yell Amen just now. Lol.

I'll begin by saying that I'm not an Attorney or a Financial Advisor, but I think if you were to incorporate yourself you could fill the gap in employment history with that you were trying to startup your own business. A whole lot of startups go bust, so it's a very believeable thing, and in reality you are doing that so you're not fabricating, obviously you'd want to state a different business but it could be almost anything. Another benefit would be you'd be demonstrating entrepreneurship, and you really are, you are currently performing marketing through delivery of service. You can be anything you want to be as long as you're sure and confident who you are. Your clients are probably doing a collective shhh to me right now, as I assume since you don't advertise here you are busy enough that you don't need to. Anyway perhaps you'd be best served contacting legal counsel, but I don't think you'd need clients help filling those gaps.  

Posted By: tg_baby

did work at a highly regimented and supervised job (think civil service). I don't think I'd ever be able to function in such an environment again...well, not happily, anyway.  
   
 W/the gaps in my resume, there is very little likelihood I will EVER get a corporate job...clients who have offered to help me fake my resume say otherwise, but as they've never revisited the topic outside of a date, I think it's alcohol or hormones talking. I honestly wouldn't know if it's possible or not...but I don't want to fake my way into a job for which I might not be fit.  
   
 While providing, I have taken ~15 classes (about to take one more this month). Providing has also given me the time and flexibility to teach myself skills (roughly equivalent to a BS or higher, from syllabi I've looked over) I am currently using to earn my first 'legit' money since 2010.  
   
 I'm not currently earning enough to quit providing, but that's partly by choice. I have more time to learn/improve/experiment, by working for myself. I have a few projects which are off the ground, but barely (I actually find marketing/creating demand much more of an issue than the work itself). But if there ever was another emergency and I had to quit providing, I'm confident that I could at least find enough grunt work to pay my bills....it would have a major impact on my energy level and time flow, tho, and as I'm earning a comfortable living by providing, it's not an attractive option....at least at this time.  
   
 I'm also investing time/experimentation into a second passion of mine which brought me some success about a year and a half ago...I'd had to put it aside for a while but not permanently. It's become very important to me that I have time to devote to that passion. There is a specific goal toward which I am doggedly toiling  
   
 So in sum...who the f*** knows? Not me. I'm not exactly looking for a way 'out' unless it's also a way 'up' and I'm motivated more by personal ambition than a desire to leave this lifestyle behind. So unless an opportunity arises that is truly an opportunity...or I have kids, or gain 200lbs, I'm staying put.

...We know bided their time and left in quiet style.
They have a plan and enough fear and gratefulness to do it seriously.

Bucks the trend,
Handles stiff competition,
Tackles hard problems,
Master debater (say it quickly)
Clients love her!

That Mr. CPA is the reality. Thank you. I'm interviewing my next hooker executive now. 1st topic: strategic cocksucking constrained by the capacity to cim! Lol

Well yeah...no man is a prophet in his own home town.

I don't want to falsify my employment so I'll falsely assert that I ran my own company!!! That's the kind if advice these girls need! Lol

I really have very little professional working experience...last time I worked a 'real' job was back in 2008. I just am not used to the culture/environment/hustle. Also, I am used to dealing with people by being 'nice' and don't know how I'd feel about a competitive working environment. All in all, it would be like throwing a French poodle into a cockfight.  

Mine and a few friends.

Lying in interviews is usually a red flag for most HR people.  And to create such an easily verifiable lie is simply more stupid than creating one where they can at least claim the dog ate all their verifiable employment information  

Sounds like a bunch of horny bitches need my service!

Looks like you've benefited greatly with the marketing strategy and sales part of this world. If only other people could see their great potential in these areas. They may not even realize just how good they are until they begin implementing it in the other realm.  

Can I skip the Amen?

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But Schedule C won't serve as employment history for any employer I've ever been involved with. Most of these girls think that whenever they're ready to retire. Magically a new career will appear that will generously compensate them for their vast on business experience in sales, marketing, finance and size estimation! Lol

Some will convert to an LLC or LLP...perhaps even C or S Corps.  But many of them did some impressive numbers prior to a conversion.

Not too long ago I encountered something I couldn't handle myself. Instead of my normal routine, going to others to vent and ask for help, I said a little prayer... "Help me deal with this. It's too much." I'm always very surprised at the fact that I get answers an help along this journey. Not too long after that, I was my old chipper self, and I had new practical ideas to begin a different direction. They were, in fact, old strategies I'd used and forgotten about. I doubt it's to keep me in my current position, lol.  

This is ultimately more important than anything.  

That was informative. I don't work in tax anymore so I don't see the extent of its use. I'm a C Corp guy now. But to your last point, I think on their knees is the most likely position the girls will be interviewing for! Lol

Well done and very practical assistance if you trust the young lady.

We have all heard the bs, and I have mocked many but that does not change the fact that your next boss might just be the hooker you paid 10 years prior. Proof is in the pudding, and many of us have just that. Sure, for the idiot who came her at 19 with no life goals and 4 kids, it's a bit harder to transition, but don't be so stupid to assume that's how it is for most. I was 26 when I started hooking and 32 when I was done. I had a Bachelor's at 23 and a Master's 6 years later after taking time off, getting married, and having a child. I am so sorry you can't deal with the fact that many escorts are smarter and have a higher degree than you do, but that my friend, is a fact. Many do, many don't. The ones who never needed your petty cash in the first place, are the very ones who never kissed your stupid ass on the GD.  

However I've done more interviewing than I care to remember.  And I didn't put much reliance on references since I never met anyone that was willing to give a reference of someone who would tell the real story (as in the reference is a shill of sorts).  So in my years of interviewing I trusted my opinion of a person who I was meeting with, and most of the time I could tell BS from someone who is forthright.

I haven't run into that scenario as of yet....

Agree again. Those who truly retire don't need to post a damn threAD about it. There is no 'going out of business sale,' no "I have to move on" bs... just a pull of all info. on the net, and a private message to close friends. It's really not that much of a monumental event when a hooker wakes up one day and decides sucking strange d(ck is not working any more.  Many of us set a time limit and an age we would be done, and did just that. Lina and London are only a few.  

We know the references are just to seal the deal - to dot the I's and cross the T's for the firm- after they're liked.

How are you paying the bonus?
I'll take half in cash, quarter in stock, quarter in pussy pls.

She's running her own company right now. I was careful to suggest that get get legal counsel first.

So many clients have said something along those lines. There are a few clients I think would likely give me a reference if I asked...they don't offer because (IMO) dangling favors in front of someone is totally tacky. And they're not tacky like that. Most clients' promises amount to 0...unless they're promising that they're good for round 2, hehe.

either another career or business of their own going along with their P4P and or had a plan B. I know for a fact that I have been with girls who have went on to become everything from Lawyers ( I try not to hold that against them LOL.) to nurses, teachers and so fourth. Most of these women have had a lot more going for them than just a sexual skill set.

Having know both Lina and LR they both had a plan.  And seem to be executing it.  However only time will tell how it ends.  But I think that some gals who get out are indeed never looking back.  Others have tried, but through circumstances ended up back here.

But when I retire I will start my own consulting business in my line of work. How will anyone be able to prove I am or am not providing consulting services. Clearly, I have not had to concern myself with needing verifiable employment, mine was not advise but more of a investigate the possibilities, which is why I suggested not once but twice to see legal counsel. Apparently I am wrong based upon the responses, bit I wouldn't have gotten where I am today by saying "I can't do it". Try, and if you fall flat on your face pick yourself up, dust yourself off and then try something different. But if you don't try, you'll get absolutely nowhere and in a hurry.

Can often help. But not in exchange for pussy. Never trust advice that is exchanged for fucking. Blood loss to the little head affects the thinking of the big head. If you have a friend you trust who knows business and marketing buy them lunch in exchange for picking their brain.

You had taken that "stuff," whatever it is, and tried to operate an ongoing business concern.
Marketing, profit and loss etc.

Regarding 99.99% of the hookers out there? Those 2 or 3 are the exceptions that prove the rule.

They left the career behind to raise their children.  Men do this as well sometimes, depending on the breadwinner.  Then the kids graduate and go off to college.  Do they step back in where they left off, normally no.

You seem bright. Why do you feel the need to assume the mantel of defending all the whores of the world when only a few should be defended?

managing 20 divisions and negotiating 5 mil+ contracts every day, lol. As I said previously, I go by my whims and am not used to supervision. I am not sure that'd really fly w/most employers. I personally wouldn't hire myself or anyone like me.

If you (or anyone) is doing a non-W2 engagement where you are responsible for the reporting and recording of income...in an interview later on all you need do is be yourself.

Is not likely going to catch much of anyones attention...unless they are looking for entertainment at the Boss' Christmas party.

From both men and women who were (are) casualties of the Great Depression of 2008.  It seems that over the past year or so many of them are now actively attempting to find jobs that they were in back 5 or 6 years ago.

which isn't really a company (altho it is incorporated). But I don't want to get into it any more than I did already.

As CPA points out, there were many casualties from 2008 onward.  
From the HR training I received while working for many big corporations, areas of job gaps are issues of concern but are a potential HR minefield.  Once I get a basic explanation that is viable and reasonable (raising children, care for family members, etc.) during the initial interview process,  then you generally don't go any further, since that could lead to inappropriate questions regarding the applicants' age, marital status, family status, etc.  

And perhaps it's true...at least in Hawaii.

He is not from here. I believe his experience is from Souther California, and perhaps that is where his "most" comment comes from.

Posted By: ChgoCPA

And perhaps it's true...at least in Hawaii.  
   
 But unfortunately my sample set doesn't equate to "most" have a lot more going for them.  Quite the opposite unfortunately.  But then again I'm not living in paradise    
   

Posted By: hammerhead896

either another career or business of their own going along with their P4P and or had a plan B. I know for a fact that I have been with girls who have went on to become everything from Lawyers ( I try not to hold that against them LOL.) to nurses, teachers and so fourth. Most of these women have had a lot more going for them than just a sexual skill set.

"you don't have to rely on clients to assist you with your gaps of employment"

I will have to admit I have only seen one true local island girl on Oahu who would not have fit in my "Most" category LOL.

but my response to you, was to this statement

I know of several gals who worked their way through school or grad programs...  and graduated with no student loans!  Or others who provided part time because their day job just wasn't enough.   (Probably more in this economy.)

Two take always from this extensive discussion today:

And, we can rest assured that your dumb ass will never make even Assistant Manager of the Home Depot, and your reviews or lack thereof, pretty much sum up what you can afford to spend. I am very sorry all the hookers you can afford are idiots, but it certainly explains why you can't fathom the thought of any part time provider actually doing something other than spreading her legs. News Flash... you will never know if one of those hookers is a member of your own family, until 20 years after they quit lol.

I understand your fear at what lies ahead for you. You seem bright but raleing against your aging body, fading beauty and dwindling options will get you nowhere. If you need some advice And guidance I would be happy to help if you wish. Or you can curse me and the fates for your poor decisions:

Is that in dog years?

Of course there are clueless, useless hookers who will never amount to shit, but the same can be said for half the kids in high school today... ha, maybe even someone you know.  What's your point? I don't see you picking on addicts who have to transition after rehab or abuse victims having to get back out there and live again... no, that would be too cruel, so let's just pick on those stupid whores you have to pay to fk.

There are 20 year olds with more sag on their body than mine hon... might want to do some research. As for fading beauty, well I never had that in the first place, and still got paid. Unlike the hookers you speak of, I have never thought my looks or lack of them, would get me farther in life... common sense and hard work outside of hookerland did that. God knows I would be utterly humiliated if I was here in 10 more years begging for some dude to take care of me lol.  

Congratulations on the career move, by the way. It seems the OP can’t grasp the concept that the opportunities in life are the ones we make for ourselves. As for me, by this time next week I’ll be riding elephants. And for once it won’t mean doing cowgirl with an over-weight client.

Oh wait... that's not really a compliment to you is it? LOL... love ya girl!

From the inside out? You may be reasonably attractive physically though earlier you stated that you were to old and fat to be a drug rep. Not sure if you were lying then or now. Doesn't really matter though. Acting like an il-mannered cunt cheapens one in such a way that all attractiveness is lost. No manner how much you charge, it won't change how cheap you are as an individual.

Nah...you didn't really mean that.

Change your plans!  Come to Vegas! You will be The Prom Queen!
*sob*

I just can't say "no" to a Denny's card holder.

All those omelets and waffles. And the never-ending bacon.  And the maple syrup fountain in which we bathed.  Paradise!

I have my guesses about how this will go...lol

Massive explosions, shit flying all over the place.  Pass me that bag of popcorn, please!!

Doesn't mean you have to leave the board! Just make a new username and come back and post. We could use your brains and wit to counteract some of the crap here
Post from your ipad whilst riding an elephant!

Of course the year is only 13 days long.

A handful of guys know the year I was born, and have for years so you lose. What photos are you using to make a comparison? I have none last time I checked and even when I did, my face was always obscured.  Most guys quoted me as 25-27 on boards where you actually put an age in, not a range of age. Go get that education now. Time is running out, old man.

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Sorry, if you shit your diapers on that one, but that's really not my problem. I never dealt with you mommy boys, because you are exactly the type most smart hookers price themselves to avoid ha ha. Stick with what you know... women who have to kiss your ass for that cash.  

A proclaimed Marketing scholar who only sees backpage girls, is not exactly a challenge... his very actions contradict his faux knowledge about the women in this business. You can't even teach the very hookers you pay to charge more and work less lol. Classic.  

Should have cited a more reliable source. You said too old and fat.  

Posted By: HooktardGold

A proclaimed Marketing scholar who only sees backpage girls, is not exactly a challenge... his very actions contradict his faux knowledge about the women in this business. You can't even teach the very hookers you pay to charge more and work less lol. Classic.  
   
 Don't look now, but if those same girls hook up with a provider who does know her shit, (unlike you) you won't be able to get them for bargain basement rates much longer. Then again, maybe they are in that group of deadbeats with no job skills who are stuck charging that and seeing losers like you, for eternity? Hey.. you said it, not me.  
   
 Seeing as though you want to pick on appearance and age though, not one of the girls you've been wth rates higher than me, dear, yet they are younger.  I retired with an 8.8 Looks, 9.1 Performance... not that it matters of course, but it does make you look even more ignorant to insult someone on looks and skills when the providers you've reviewed rate less in BOTH categories. Marketing 101 or should I say MBA-615-8A.

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Never had a good mental picture of what this expression looked like until reading your posts. I just learned something whilst perusing the board. Thank you HooktardGold!

Gosh, you really are DUMB lol. I pity you, and any woman cheap enough to attract you. There was not even one exclamation mark in my entire post above, so not only are you clueless about  Marketing, but you can't even comprehend the tone of simple English text. Again, yawn....

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Just can't let loose of her can you? Awesome.  

Posted By: ChgoCPA

Having know both Lina and LR they both had a plan.  And seem to be executing it.  However only time will tell how it ends.  But I think that some gals who get out are indeed never looking back.  Others have tried, but through circumstances ended up back here.  
   
 The only gal who never PM'd me to let me know she was done was EC.  But then she thought I didn't like her...oh well  LOL    But then again she wasn't a board whore either    
   
 As for being able to spot idiots, crackheads, abuse victims and plain BSC...yeah, rather easy to spot them.  Sometimes though all of that can be fun...so long as they go away quickly.  Stalkers aren't fun to play with...well, the online ones can be fun.  Where in the world is Serpius????  
   

Posted By: HooktardGold

Agree again. Those who truly retire don't need to post a damn threAD about it. There is no 'going out of business sale,' no "I have to move on" bs... just a pull of all info. on the net, and a private message to close friends. It's really not that much of a monumental event when a hooker wakes up one day and decides sucking strange d(ck is not working any more.  Many of us set a time limit and an age we would be done, and did just that. Lina and London are only a few.    
     
  The fact is, no matter how stupid, how abused, and how degraded, every person on this earth has the potential to do whatever it is they want to do. The ones who succeed did one thing... they WORKED FOR IT! Lazy ass gold diggers get what they deserve... a life of empty promises that they asked for. I would shoot myself if I was doing this at 50 knowing I truly wanted but could not do something else. That's gotta suck.    
     
  I have no problem with the OP's post in general, but I do have a problem with his deluded outlook. Again, it's obvious he has not spent time with the best providers or he would not be so inclined to think that all of them are idiots. Projection is a bitch, and that is all he is doing. Providers who had smarts and education BEFORE coming here, have it when they leave. Ok, so you get your idiots, crackheads, abuse victims, and plain BSC but they are rather easy to spot. CPA should know damn well how to tell between the group.

You need to get that CPA title back again  LOL