London Rayne just did it, as have many others. Also, many gals do this part time and have a "real" job or business as well, or are putting themselves through school.
Besides, whatever any gal tells you about her "other life" should be taken with several grains of salt. You have no right to expect the truth about her real self.
Besides, whatever any gal tells you about her "other life" should be taken with several grains of salt. You have no right to expect the truth about her real self.
So do you know with certainty or just what you've been told taking it "with several grains of salt"? A post saying I'm leaving to embark on such and such doesn't mean it actually happens. Hence the many "retired" girls who show up in a few months back on the hooker hamster wheel!
I don't fully believe anything I'm told, except in a very few cases where we have more than a "hooker/John" relationship.
Believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see. A solid motto to live by, imho.
I have reg job and sex worker. I started doing this 5 yrs ago when factory shut doors. Thanks!
Learning to assess and adapt quickly to a client's mood seems to translate directly to the same for any customer in just about any environment. Adhering to screening and appointment protocol seems to directly translate. Scheduling and meeting timelines (although it seems like this may be a common gap with most providers). Willingness to adapt to customers requests within hard set parameters. I can imagine that the psychology or dealing with different personalities in such an intimate environment is a huge learned skill. I think being a provider is a great way for a woman to prepare for the conventional business world, in fact I believe it gives them a leg up. Hell if I were a woman I'd tap that resource.
I agree for a customer service job or in retail sales, but what about the MBA's? Would you say the hooker skills translate into those required of middle management and ultimately executive positions? I don't quite see it myself.
My thoughts were directed to middle management and executive positions and not at all to retail sales. Middle management and executives have customers too, and the key to remember is that not all customers are external, often times internal customers are the key customers.
Great oral skills, results oriented, worked under many successful business mentors, marketing and sales experience with high demand products, stays on top of pressing issues! Lol
And it's really true. As far as your comment about gap in employment on her Resume, hopefully these women are paying taxes on at least part of their income (as the IRS will find them if not) and they can fill that gap with that they attempted to start and grow their own business, but in the end it failed as most start ups do. This also reflects entrepreneurship, another bonus.
What you say. I have to say that I'm skeptical this would actually be realized in the real world. Any perspectives from the ladies would be very interesting as well.
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Posted By: Ciscodog
Great oral skills, results oriented, worked under many successful business mentors, marketing and sales experience with high demand products, stays on top of pressing issues! Lol
Well yeah...no man is a prophet in his own home town.
Bucks the trend,
Handles stiff competition,
Tackles hard problems,
Master debater (say it quickly)
Clients love her!
Those skills were learned long before most became escorts dear, and if you think an MBA in Marketing won't correlate with being an escort, it's obvious you have never taken such classes. Everything an escort does or does not do here, is marketing. The ability for one girl to sell herself for 1k when she is older and fatter than hundreds selling it for 300, is simply genius. Nothing about that girl is better than the next, but her package (Marketing) made it appear so, and so many of you bought it... literally. That's knowing your target market, what they will pay, and having a sense of Economics to strive for Equilibrium vs. having to screw 10 guys a week at 300 a pop, when you can screw 3 at 1000.
Why do you think so many providers charge different rates? Because they are either too dumb to know their market and what they could be making, or they are smart enough to have already figured it out, and stay the same. If that is not business skills that will transition to any other industry, I don't know what is.
There are actually executives who hire former escorts who were discreet with nothing linking back to their real identity, for such positions. Of course those same guys were at one time in the hobby, so they are not as judgmental or stupid to assume a provider could never work in such a position. In fact, it's just the opposite. Business, Markeing, Economics, Advertising, etc. are the very positions the majority of providers are in, so you lose.
The fact that you are that blind and naive to assume a provider has never and will never do anything else with her life, says more about you, than about them. You're just a typical hobbyist who can't see beyond a pair of tits that you paid to play with. Many, many providers have NEVER done this full time... ever!
Do you honestly think anyone could deal with some of you for that long, without something else in life giving them true promotion and self assurance? LOL... sorry to burst your bubble, but you were never a provider's sole source unless she was an idiot or in a state of confusion and desperation. I don't know a single provider that did/does only this and nothing else. Not one. Sure, they are out there, but I just don't know any of them personally.
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While the overall success rate may be a rather low percentage, I know of several ladies who made the transition you speak of with no issues whatsoever.
It really does depend on the lady, her plan for this business (if she has one) and how smart she is with her money.
I know of several ladies who had monetary goals in mind when they started in this, reached those goals and simply got out, never to be seen here again (I actually have kept in touch with 2 of them and they are now happily married with families and great careers).
It is possible to do, but only if the lady has set goals, sticks to them and doesn't get seduced by the making of fast money and forgets her "plan".
Some ladies are capable of doing both, having a successful "regular" career AND being a provider. I know of 2 in particular and I am certain there are far more of these ladies than those that your original question asks.
Think of it this way. A lady travels for work (she does NOT have to be a flight attendant for this) and does not like to be alone when she makes her stops for work so she has this on the side to help fill her dance card and make a few extra bucks. I have seen this much more than I have seen ladies leaving this business for a more, shall we say, 9-5 job.
Exactly my question. The part time while pursuing your career makes sense. I was considering the other scenario: from full-time provider to full time corporate worker seems more difficult. Both in getting hired and the structure the job would entail. I don't think many high end girls are accustomed to the 40-50 hour work week of the new hire who aspires to become CEO one day
Posted By: Ciscodog
Exactly my question. The part time while pursuing your career makes sense. I was considering the other scenario: from full-time provider to full time corporate worker seems more difficult. Both in getting hired and the structure the job would entail. I don't think many high end girls are accustomed to the 40-50 hour work week of the new hire who aspires to become CEO one day
40-50 hr work, dude if you want to even get to middle management you are working 60hrs+ a week easily.
Many ladies are first rate business people and will do quite well. Others seem to always have a cloud of dust and turmoil surrounding them all the time and can not seem to make ends meet. These ladies will fail big time.
Gaps in unemployment can easily be explained by saying you are running your own consulting business, or my favorite, internet marketing business. I know several ladies doing quite well
Then why would you not concede that most of us had jobs in the RW before coming here, and can easily return back when we decide it's worth it? Some things are worth more than fast cash and sleeping until noon... family and stability are among them. Some providers do their time here, and move on just like that. If you have even a four year degree or sales experience, you're not exactly going to be homeless. Many providers came here mid 20s to go back to school for a higher degree, and once completed with a job secured, they leave. The allure of this business wears off my friend, so don't be so clueless.
I find the ones who retire and come back after 6 months to a year (the ones you touched on) either got married then divorced, or found a SD that did not work out. Rarely are career driven women the ones who retire every year just to come back. They might keep a few regulars on the side that they enjoy being with, but they no longer have a website, reviews, etc. You are comparing apples and oranges, as those are two very different groups of providers. Some providers only leave when some dude is taking care of them... when he drops her ass, she comes back. That is NOT the same group of women who work hard whilst here, to leave for good. It's called putting a plan into action, and having an exit strategy just like with any other venture. Some succeed, and some fail.
In all honesty, it only takes one or two clients a month for most providers over 500 per date, to do very well if they have another income. The salary I make now, before taxes, is more than I made as a provider which is a bit funny.
FYI, providers make the best Pharm Reps in the world, because you're still screwing for commission, but it's only doctors and that is one HIGH commission, not some per hour or per date bs with a guy who can flake last minute after you've booked a room. You need no degree or experience to apply for such a position either... you need only be attractive, have a great personality, and know how to convince people (mostly men) that what you're selling is the best there is... not so much different than the world of escorting is it?
Pharm Reps average 80-130k the first year, with no college degree! That might not be so great for a gal living in NYC who insists on an Upper East Side location and thousand dollar shoes, but the average american family with 2 children can live on that like kings in many other areas.
Bottom line... money is not everything when you consider what you've had to give up to get it. If a person is driven, they are driven to succeed regardless of what business they are in.
Some of you have no idea of the will it takes to do what we do... no clue. It is so much more than simply getting dressed and screwing a guy. It takes serious mental stability and for some, mental strain to do this job and be able to leave in a state that allows them to function normally, after what they have seen and gone through. Many providers leave this business hating men, and being turned off by the idea of marriage... many came here that same way. For others, it's just a job and one they enjoyed for a time, then moved on from with no regrets and no sob story. It's more than obvious you're not seeing the brightest and the best here, because your mind would not be so one sided if you had in fact met successful women.
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And she told me she got into Escorting because she lost her job as a Pharma Rep...
who has the firm picking up the hotel and meal costs to boot.
I know and work with many successful women. My question was fairly simple. My only observation is that if, as several posters have alluded to, prostitution is the next great training ground for executives then this is news to me. I just wondered how many were successful in making the jump back.
Most women would not engage in prostitution under any circumstances. Hence you only have a very small pool of women who ever venture into this cesspool. Of those that do become hookers...only a small number of them are able to get decent paying work in the real world.
Despite the number of hookers who claim all kinds of "advanced degrees" it should take only a moment or two to know that they are full of shit. Unless an advanced degree at Hooker U in cocksucking is what they are actually alluding to.
As for using this model that some of them have as a means to catapult them to executive positions is nothing short of delusional. But you can see the gals that actually think this through...and better catch them while you can. For most of those gals are gone in the blink of an eye.
The others are trying their hand on the photo only boards. LOL
Posted By: Ciscodog
I know and work with many successful women. My question was fairly simple. My only observation is that if, as several posters have alluded to, prostitution is the next great training ground for executives then this is news to me. I just wondered how many were successful in making the jump back.
...We know bided their time and left in quiet style.
They have a plan and enough fear and gratefulness to do it seriously.
Serious kudos to them and I sincerely wish they don't see my sorry ass again.
Unless they're trying to date me OTC. 
Agree again. Those who truly retire don't need to post a damn threAD about it. There is no 'going out of business sale,' no "I have to move on" bs... just a pull of all info. on the net, and a private message to close friends. It's really not that much of a monumental event when a hooker wakes up one day and decides sucking strange d(ck is not working any more. Many of us set a time limit and an age we would be done, and did just that. Lina and London are only a few.
The fact is, no matter how stupid, how abused, and how degraded, every person on this earth has the potential to do whatever it is they want to do. The ones who succeed did one thing... they WORKED FOR IT! Lazy ass gold diggers get what they deserve... a life of empty promises that they asked for. I would shoot myself if I was doing this at 50 knowing I truly wanted but could not do something else. That's gotta suck.
I have no problem with the OP's post in general, but I do have a problem with his deluded outlook. Again, it's obvious he has not spent time with the best providers or he would not be so inclined to think that all of them are idiots. Projection is a bitch, and that is all he is doing. Providers who had smarts and education BEFORE coming here, have it when they leave. Ok, so you get your idiots, crackheads, abuse victims, and plain BSC but they are rather easy to spot. CPA should know damn well how to tell between the group.
Having know both Lina and LR they both had a plan. And seem to be executing it. However only time will tell how it ends. But I think that some gals who get out are indeed never looking back. Others have tried, but through circumstances ended up back here.
The only gal who never PM'd me to let me know she was done was EC. But then she thought I didn't like her...oh well LOL But then again she wasn't a board whore either
As for being able to spot idiots, crackheads, abuse victims and plain BSC...yeah, rather easy to spot them. Sometimes though all of that can be fun...so long as they go away quickly. Stalkers aren't fun to play with...well, the online ones can be fun. Where in the world is Serpius????
Posted By: HooktardGold
Agree again. Those who truly retire don't need to post a damn threAD about it. There is no 'going out of business sale,' no "I have to move on" bs... just a pull of all info. on the net, and a private message to close friends. It's really not that much of a monumental event when a hooker wakes up one day and decides sucking strange d(ck is not working any more. Many of us set a time limit and an age we would be done, and did just that. Lina and London are only a few.
The fact is, no matter how stupid, how abused, and how degraded, every person on this earth has the potential to do whatever it is they want to do. The ones who succeed did one thing... they WORKED FOR IT! Lazy ass gold diggers get what they deserve... a life of empty promises that they asked for. I would shoot myself if I was doing this at 50 knowing I truly wanted but could not do something else. That's gotta suck.
I have no problem with the OP's post in general, but I do have a problem with his deluded outlook. Again, it's obvious he has not spent time with the best providers or he would not be so inclined to think that all of them are idiots. Projection is a bitch, and that is all he is doing. Providers who had smarts and education BEFORE coming here, have it when they leave. Ok, so you get your idiots, crackheads, abuse victims, and plain BSC but they are rather easy to spot. CPA should know damn well how to tell between the group.
Just can't let loose of her can you? Awesome.
Posted By: ChgoCPA
Having know both Lina and LR they both had a plan. And seem to be executing it. However only time will tell how it ends. But I think that some gals who get out are indeed never looking back. Others have tried, but through circumstances ended up back here.
The only gal who never PM'd me to let me know she was done was EC. But then she thought I didn't like her...oh well LOL But then again she wasn't a board whore either
As for being able to spot idiots, crackheads, abuse victims and plain BSC...yeah, rather easy to spot them. Sometimes though all of that can be fun...so long as they go away quickly. Stalkers aren't fun to play with...well, the online ones can be fun. Where in the world is Serpius????
Posted By: HooktardGold
Agree again. Those who truly retire don't need to post a damn threAD about it. There is no 'going out of business sale,' no "I have to move on" bs... just a pull of all info. on the net, and a private message to close friends. It's really not that much of a monumental event when a hooker wakes up one day and decides sucking strange d(ck is not working any more. Many of us set a time limit and an age we would be done, and did just that. Lina and London are only a few.
The fact is, no matter how stupid, how abused, and how degraded, every person on this earth has the potential to do whatever it is they want to do. The ones who succeed did one thing... they WORKED FOR IT! Lazy ass gold diggers get what they deserve... a life of empty promises that they asked for. I would shoot myself if I was doing this at 50 knowing I truly wanted but could not do something else. That's gotta suck.
I have no problem with the OP's post in general, but I do have a problem with his deluded outlook. Again, it's obvious he has not spent time with the best providers or he would not be so inclined to think that all of them are idiots. Projection is a bitch, and that is all he is doing. Providers who had smarts and education BEFORE coming here, have it when they leave. Ok, so you get your idiots, crackheads, abuse victims, and plain BSC but they are rather easy to spot. CPA should know damn well how to tell between the group.
You need to get that CPA title back again LOL
It just takes a few Grants to pull it off...as well as knowing some dad's in vegas
How's that working out for you? 
Regarding 99.99% of the hookers out there? Those 2 or 3 are the exceptions that prove the rule.
That Mr. CPA is the reality. Thank you. I'm interviewing my next hooker executive now. 1st topic: strategic cocksucking constrained by the capacity to cim! Lol
We have all heard the bs, and I have mocked many but that does not change the fact that your next boss might just be the hooker you paid 10 years prior. Proof is in the pudding, and many of us have just that. Sure, for the idiot who came her at 19 with no life goals and 4 kids, it's a bit harder to transition, but don't be so stupid to assume that's how it is for most. I was 26 when I started hooking and 32 when I was done. I had a Bachelor's at 23 and a Master's 6 years later after taking time off, getting married, and having a child. I am so sorry you can't deal with the fact that many escorts are smarter and have a higher degree than you do, but that my friend, is a fact. Many do, many don't. The ones who never needed your petty cash in the first place, are the very ones who never kissed your stupid ass on the GD.
Posted By: Ciscodog
That Mr. CPA is the reality. Thank you. I'm interviewing my next hooker executive now. 1st topic: strategic cocksucking constrained by the capacity to cim! Lol
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I haven't run into that scenario as of yet....
But if I do am I supposed to give her the donation before our meeting? Or will she trust that I will pay her after?
Posted By: HooktardGold
We have all heard the bs, and I have mocked many but that does not change the fact that your next boss might just be the hooker you paid 10 years prior. Proof is in the pudding, and many of us have just that.
Posted By: Ciscodog
That Mr. CPA is the reality. Thank you. I'm interviewing my next hooker executive now. 1st topic: strategic cocksucking constrained by the capacity to cim! Lol
How are you paying the bonus?
I'll take half in cash, quarter in stock, quarter in pussy pls. 
Posted By: AnotherDonJohn
How are you paying the bonus?
I'll take half in cash, quarter in stock, quarter in pussy pls.
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You seem bright. Why do you feel the need to assume the mantel of defending all the whores of the world when only a few should be defended?
Of course there are clueless, useless hookers who will never amount to shit, but the same can be said for half the kids in high school today... ha, maybe even someone you know. What's your point? I don't see you picking on addicts who have to transition after rehab or abuse victims having to get back out there and live again... no, that would be too cruel, so let's just pick on those stupid whores you have to pay to fk.
Your OP was actually not bad at all, but you kept flapping your gums making it more and more obvious how much disdain you have for the very women you pay to even talk to someone hypocritical as you. If you think so low of escorts, hookers, whores tell me something bud.. why are you STILL HERE paying them? Ooopsie.
A handful of guys know the year I was born, and have for years so you lose. What photos are you using to make a comparison? I have none last time I checked and even when I did, my face was always obscured. Most guys quoted me as 25-27 on boards where you actually put an age in, not a range of age. Go get that education now. Time is running out, old man.
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Looks like you've benefited greatly with the marketing strategy and sales part of this world. If only other people could see their great potential in these areas. They may not even realize just how good they are until they begin implementing it in the other realm.
Maybe they do, which is why they do so well here. Good post
When?
Until the next recession? Or till the stock tanks?
Then what? Massive lay off
Provider income is neither secure nor stable...
Many providers who once made 10k a month, are making less than 4 now. When I provided near the end, I was only making around 3k a month, but it was more than enough combined with another income, even if that other income was less than 2k after taxes.. it was more than enough to cover my bills and be able to put 10 percent into savings, and tithe 10 percent... a practice I will never abandon. I was NEVER totally dependent on the hobby, nor should anyone ever come into this with that idea. That is a very fatal flaw in Economics, to assume you will always make the money you once did with a business that is simply not predictable.
With a real job (for as long as you have it) you get a paycheck every 2 weeks or every month, that is the same amount. You also have proof of legit income without having to lie, are puttiing forth funds for retirement, and have health insurance vs. having to get a private policy that is usually more expensive. You can count on that money, but here, you simply don't know if you're seeing 2 guys or 10 in the next month, and many providers don't save a dime. They make 10k and blow it on stupid shit... rarely a mortgage or education, both of which contribute to a higher net worth in the future. The reason so many fail, is because they only see the 'now.' That goes for money, a plan, forecasting, and an exit strategy. It's also no shock that many providers come here for drug money or get hooked on drugs after coming here, which is pretty sad. I know 2 crackheads in the top 100... pathetic
Agreeing with almost everything you say.
And I would have thought a Pharma rep was a great job for you for the reasons you articulated.
One suggestion: write shorter cover letters.
Not that it matters, it's whom you know and your looks will get in the door.
Then, it's your volume that keeps you there.
A warning: You won't sell any drugs to this guy, no sirree! Lol.
Much like with hooking, my time has passed. I don't want anything physical to get me a job, nor keep it. I've worked for everything I have, and by the grace of God, it finally came to pass. Yes, a hooker can still trust God ha ha.
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Posted By: HooktardGold
Much like hooking, my time has passed. I don't want anything physical to get me a job, nor keep it. I've worked for everything I have, and by the grace of God, it finally came to pass. Yes, a hooker can still trust God ha ha.
No religion here... just a common respect, and giving credit where it's due. Biaaaaaaaatch!
And she was lamenting that God was getting back at her for her "evil" ways.
She's still hooking however LOL
Posted By: HooktardGold
No religion here... just a common respect, and giving credit where it's due. Biaaaaaaaatch!
An urge to yell Amen just now. Lol.
Can I skip the Amen?
Posted By: AnotherDonJohn
An urge to yell Amen just now. Lol.
Sounds like a bunch of horny bitches need my service!
Not too long ago I encountered something I couldn't handle myself. Instead of my normal routine, going to others to vent and ask for help, I said a little prayer... "Help me deal with this. It's too much." I'm always very surprised at the fact that I get answers an help along this journey. Not too long after that, I was my old chipper self, and I had new practical ideas to begin a different direction. They were, in fact, old strategies I'd used and forgotten about. I doubt it's to keep me in my current position, lol.
God uses all things, even our circumstances and our lot in life. I can't wait to see what He is going to do in a friend's life that I know, who has been an intense influence on me.
The most recent song I'm writing is about her, and I've asked God, 'Shouldn't I be giving You all the credit?' I knew then that giving honor where honor is due is appropriate. Though it's humbling, and I'm not much of a follower, lol, I can see clearly His work in her and it has affected me. I used to see it happen a lot back when I didn't understand this lifestyle as well.
He's also said he'd take good care of her. I don't care what anyone says, I believe it's true.
Sometimes someone has to walk another's steps to be able to really represent God to that person, as it's the language the person knows at that time in their life. There's a lady across seas who reaches out to street walkers I also know of, and the street walkers call her Reverend lol. They listen because she had been there herself.
Whoops! Sermon right here!
did work at a highly regimented and supervised job (think civil service). I don't think I'd ever be able to function in such an environment again...well, not happily, anyway.
W/the gaps in my resume, there is very little likelihood I will EVER get a corporate job...clients who have offered to help me fake my resume say otherwise, but as they've never revisited the topic outside of a date, I think it's alcohol or hormones talking. I honestly wouldn't know if it's possible or not...but I don't want to fake my way into a job for which I might not be fit.
While providing, I have taken ~15 classes (about to take one more this month). Providing has also given me the time and flexibility to teach myself skills (roughly equivalent to a BS or higher, from syllabi I've looked over) I am currently using to earn my first 'legit' money since 2010.
I'm not currently earning enough to quit providing, but that's partly by choice. I have more time to learn/improve/experiment, by working for myself. I have a few projects which are off the ground, but barely (I actually find marketing/creating demand much more of an issue than the work itself). But if there ever was another emergency and I had to quit providing, I'm confident that I could at least find enough grunt work to pay my bills....it would have a major impact on my energy level and time flow, tho, and as I'm earning a comfortable living by providing, it's not an attractive option....at least at this time.
I'm also investing time/experimentation into a second passion of mine which brought me some success about a year and a half ago...I'd had to put it aside for a while but not permanently. It's become very important to me that I have time to devote to that passion. There is a specific goal toward which I am doggedly toiling
So in sum...who the f*** knows? Not me. I'm not exactly looking for a way 'out' unless it's also a way 'up' and I'm motivated more by personal ambition than a desire to leave this lifestyle behind. So unless an opportunity arises that is truly an opportunity...or I have kids, or gain 200lbs, I'm staying put.
I'll begin by saying that I'm not an Attorney or a Financial Advisor, but I think if you were to incorporate yourself you could fill the gap in employment history with that you were trying to startup your own business. A whole lot of startups go bust, so it's a very believeable thing, and in reality you are doing that so you're not fabricating, obviously you'd want to state a different business but it could be almost anything. Another benefit would be you'd be demonstrating entrepreneurship, and you really are, you are currently performing marketing through delivery of service. You can be anything you want to be as long as you're sure and confident who you are. Your clients are probably doing a collective shhh to me right now, as I assume since you don't advertise here you are busy enough that you don't need to. Anyway perhaps you'd be best served contacting legal counsel, but I don't think you'd need clients help filling those gaps.
Posted By: tg_baby
did work at a highly regimented and supervised job (think civil service). I don't think I'd ever be able to function in such an environment again...well, not happily, anyway.
W/the gaps in my resume, there is very little likelihood I will EVER get a corporate job...clients who have offered to help me fake my resume say otherwise, but as they've never revisited the topic outside of a date, I think it's alcohol or hormones talking. I honestly wouldn't know if it's possible or not...but I don't want to fake my way into a job for which I might not be fit.
While providing, I have taken ~15 classes (about to take one more this month). Providing has also given me the time and flexibility to teach myself skills (roughly equivalent to a BS or higher, from syllabi I've looked over) I am currently using to earn my first 'legit' money since 2010.
I'm not currently earning enough to quit providing, but that's partly by choice. I have more time to learn/improve/experiment, by working for myself. I have a few projects which are off the ground, but barely (I actually find marketing/creating demand much more of an issue than the work itself). But if there ever was another emergency and I had to quit providing, I'm confident that I could at least find enough grunt work to pay my bills....it would have a major impact on my energy level and time flow, tho, and as I'm earning a comfortable living by providing, it's not an attractive option....at least at this time.
I'm also investing time/experimentation into a second passion of mine which brought me some success about a year and a half ago...I'd had to put it aside for a while but not permanently. It's become very important to me that I have time to devote to that passion. There is a specific goal toward which I am doggedly toiling
So in sum...who the f*** knows? Not me. I'm not exactly looking for a way 'out' unless it's also a way 'up' and I'm motivated more by personal ambition than a desire to leave this lifestyle behind. So unless an opportunity arises that is truly an opportunity...or I have kids, or gain 200lbs, I'm staying put.
I don't want to falsify my employment so I'll falsely assert that I ran my own company!!! That's the kind if advice these girls need! Lol
Lying in interviews is usually a red flag for most HR people. And to create such an easily verifiable lie is simply more stupid than creating one where they can at least claim the dog ate all their verifiable employment information
Not sure how incorporating a business somehow makes it more believable either. I guess russ is figuring that somehow being a corporation is more believable than simply showing their income on Schedule C as a sole proprietor. He is wrong.
However his rhetoric is echoed by some of the gals here. I've heard that from some...only to explain to them the facts of life. Once they hear the realities and understand the pitfalls of creating unnecessary paperwork they mostly go on about running their hooking gigs.
The same tends to hold true for gals seeking financing. However my position on that is the same as if they were interviewing for a position. Showing a Schedule C that is provable income is just as effective. The lender does not need to know the specifics of the consulting and/or entertainment work they are in. And thus far none have needed anything more to verify employment/income.
Posted By: Ciscodog
I don't want to falsify my employment so I'll falsely assert that I ran my own company!!! That's the kind if advice these girls need! Lol
But Schedule C won't serve as employment history for any employer I've ever been involved with. Most of these girls think that whenever they're ready to retire. Magically a new career will appear that will generously compensate them for their vast on business experience in sales, marketing, finance and size estimation! Lol
Some will convert to an LLC or LLP...perhaps even C or S Corps. But many of them did some impressive numbers prior to a conversion.
Quite frankly many realtors use the Schedule C approach. As well as many other professionals. Keep in mind that a single member LLC/LLP files on Schedule C.
So perhaps you haven't met the right folks yet LOL
And are you honestly suggesting that there isn't a career path when hookers retire...taking them directly to the head of a Fortune 500 company? I'm shocked to hear that
Perhaps you meant giving head to the head of a Fortune 500 company?
Posted By: Ciscodog
But Schedule C won't serve as employment history for any employer I've ever been involved with. Most of these girls think that whenever they're ready to retire. Magically a new career will appear that will generously compensate them for their vast on business experience in sales, marketing, finance and size estimation! Lol
That was informative. I don't work in tax anymore so I don't see the extent of its use. I'm a C Corp guy now. But to your last point, I think on their knees is the most likely position the girls will be interviewing for! Lol
So many clients have said something along those lines. There are a few clients I think would likely give me a reference if I asked...they don't offer because (IMO) dangling favors in front of someone is totally tacky. And they're not tacky like that. Most clients' promises amount to 0...unless they're promising that they're good for round 2, hehe.
I do have tangible things to show for my efforts...a 'portfolio' of work of sorts. Nothing is exactly raking in the bucks or household names, but they do interest people and are pretty valid cover for employment. If I'd done that work for someone else...I'd have gotten paid $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
I kinda put things up and then...once it's all done....I get stumped. Now what? A for effort, F for marketing.
I also do some freelance, altho for the reasons listed above I limit that (for now)
Can often help. But not in exchange for pussy. Never trust advice that is exchanged for fucking. Blood loss to the little head affects the thinking of the big head. If you have a friend you trust who knows business and marketing buy them lunch in exchange for picking their brain.
You had taken that "stuff," whatever it is, and tried to operate an ongoing business concern.
Marketing, profit and loss etc.
Then you'd have a lot.
Funny how some girls don't translate what they already know in their p4p life.
But when I retire I will start my own consulting business in my line of work. How will anyone be able to prove I am or am not providing consulting services. Clearly, I have not had to concern myself with needing verifiable employment, mine was not advise but more of a investigate the possibilities, which is why I suggested not once but twice to see legal counsel. Apparently I am wrong based upon the responses, bit I wouldn't have gotten where I am today by saying "I can't do it". Try, and if you fall flat on your face pick yourself up, dust yourself off and then try something different. But if you don't try, you'll get absolutely nowhere and in a hurry.
If you (or anyone) is doing a non-W2 engagement where you are responsible for the reporting and recording of income...in an interview later on all you need do is be yourself.
As I stated in another post many professionals file Schedule C's only (I stated the tax reasons in an earlier post). If I was to interview an engineer seeking work I would ask that person questions regarding the field as well as specifics about his (her) experience. Same would hold true for doctors, accountants, attorney's and so on.
The worst thing a person can do in an interview is make shit up on the fly...hoping that some faux entity and/or website is their "proof". That's so pathetically easy to pierce.
The truth will set you free...if not the truth you better have a bullet proof lie LOL
Posted By: russbbj
But when I retire I will start my own consulting business in my line of work. How will anyone be able to prove I am or am not providing consulting services. Clearly, I have not had to concern myself with needing verifiable employment, mine was not advise but more of a investigate the possibilities, which is why I suggested not once but twice to see legal counsel. Apparently I am wrong based upon the responses, bit I wouldn't have gotten where I am today by saying "I can't do it". Try, and if you fall flat on your face pick yourself up, dust yourself off and then try something different. But if you don't try, you'll get absolutely nowhere and in a hurry.
"you don't have to rely on clients to assist you with your gaps of employment"
Nowhere, I repeat nowhere did I say make shit up on the fly.
If the only thing stopping her from submitting a Resume or trying for a position was a gap in employment she could fill the gap with her trying to startup and operate her own business. Only a complete fool would go on an interview that they cannot answer direct questions about experience or qualifications in the field they are applying for. If a provider fills the gap with her running her own business, she isn't lying, that's exactly what she's doing right now. She does everything from Marketing to providing the service. I wouldn't suggest anyone lie, but just about everyone embellishes their Resume (I don't, but I don't have to) but most people do.
I'm a Scientist and in 2010 after the economic downturn rebounded somewhat, we were in need of people in my department. We got many Resumes and the brilliant (idiot) HR manager sorted many of the Resumes out using the gap in employment rule. I got one of them put back in the mix because the person was almost a perfect fit, even though this person only had an Associates degree. We interviewed some candidates and it came down to this person and someone who had a Bachelor degree (In English). The English major was nothing more than a good bullshitter, this person had little to no experience in our field, but this person did not have a gap in employment. The Brilliant (idiot) HR manager, who knows nothing about our Science and therefore that the English major was bullshitting, kept going back to the fact that the good candidate had a gap in employment and that this person only had an Associate degree. Guess who got hired? Well of course the English major and this person was only with us for 6 months because they couldn't do the work and so they moved on, but still had no gap in employment. We were left holding the bag, spending a lot of time and money training someone who would never "get it", completely wasting my time. All this because of a gap in employment, the difference in degree's I would have been able overcome because of experience..
Let's be clear, and I suspect you know this and would agree, you won't get a job unless you can get to the interview. To discount someone because of a gap in employment is ridiculous to me, but what do I know, I don't have a degree in HR.
So, if a provider has skills training and knowledge in a field, but they have the gap in employment while in fact they were running their own business, albeit an unconventional business, why not embellish their Resume. Answering the question about that business will be a very small part of the interview and she is not lying. Then on to the experience, training and skills of the job at hand. Getting face time is the biggest hurdle. Selling yourself isn't if you're good at what you do.
She's running her own company right now. I was careful to suggest that get get legal counsel first.
managing 20 divisions and negotiating 5 mil+ contracts every day, lol. As I said previously, I go by my whims and am not used to supervision. I am not sure that'd really fly w/most employers. I personally wouldn't hire myself or anyone like me.
but my response to you, was to this statement
W/the gaps in my resume, there is very little likelihood I will EVER get a corporate job
There is very little likelihood that you will EVER get a corporate job because you don't want one, and that's fine. But say it like it is, that you don't want a corporate job and not that you are concerned about your gaps in employment.
You like your freedom to do what you want, and that's cool. Nobody in here for sure will fault you for that. It's understandable and honestly if I could make my living the way you do I would for a set number of years with goals and objectives.
I can't make my living that way, but I can afford the luxury of participating, and so I do.
Is not likely going to catch much of anyones attention...unless they are looking for entertainment at the Boss' Christmas party.
This is not a business that translates well to the vanilla world. I would not recommend that any gal divulge that she is a prostitute...but is using a Corporation (or LLC, LLP or S-Corp) as justification for a job.
Unless she is seeking work in porn.
Posted By: russbbj
She's running her own company right now. I was careful to suggest that get get legal counsel first.
which isn't really a company (altho it is incorporated). But I don't want to get into it any more than I did already.
I really have very little professional working experience...last time I worked a 'real' job was back in 2008. I just am not used to the culture/environment/hustle. Also, I am used to dealing with people by being 'nice' and don't know how I'd feel about a competitive working environment. All in all, it would be like throwing a French poodle into a cockfight.
While I work hard, I don't have a set schedule...I can take off on a whim, work out in morning or at night or at lunchtime (because it's warm and sunny then), basically do whatever I feel like all day. If I had slated time to do XXX but felt more in a YYY mood that day? Whatevva. If my friend calls and wants to do a weekend trip to Lancaster? Cool, lemme charge my camera. (Note here: I can generally afford to do that, monetarily and time-wise, because I do work super-hard most of the time. I ALWAYS have some work s*** with me and am yelled at for talking about work too much....I never seem to relax, to other people. But I *like* to work and to an extent it's my relaxation).
As I said also, having time to devote to certain things is extremely important to me. Having worked a 'real' job briefly...I understand how it is that people come home day after day, year after year, and are too exhausted to do much besides watch dumb TV. Me? I don't even have a TV.
This is ultimately more important than anything.
They represent the work experiences themselves.
When ive been asked , it actually hasn't been uncomfortable in the right contexts....
(Usual jokes I'm prepared for here by saying this)
...Which are if the provider and I have moved into the friend zone, so to speak,
And I'm supportive of her transition, as long as it's not drama ridden.
In parallel, we need to come up with a real context with which she can build up real work experience
And I can comment on THoSE skills.
Either with my independent llc or through some other entity whereby she updates me on her legit work.
Yes, it's like a weird internship.
Why would I waste my time?
One, my SO doesn't mind.
Two, No, I'm not getting any favors, believe it or not.
My conditions are just that there be no drama like drugs or crazy people who call me. The minute it happens I'm out.
I literally spend five to ten minutes on the phone a week while I'm dropping a deuce and writing emails on my phone.
I spend a few more minutes critiquing a résumé or cover letter.
I've only done it twice for two non-SO women I thought had potential and a reason to be doing this- for their kids (not mine, lol). It hasn't gotten weird either time... At least not yet.
Btw as for work gaps, yes you can say you're working a startup these days but that only flies for non corporate jobs.
I know of one other guy who provides references for his ad agency. We're the two references for one provider, who is working a legit career now.
Well done and very practical assistance if you trust the young lady.
However I've done more interviewing than I care to remember. And I didn't put much reliance on references since I never met anyone that was willing to give a reference of someone who would tell the real story (as in the reference is a shill of sorts). So in my years of interviewing I trusted my opinion of a person who I was meeting with, and most of the time I could tell BS from someone who is forthright.
Your example is a perfect reason why references mean nothing (to me). I'm sure you are feeling you're assisting the gal(s), but the reality is that once they are there they are on their own. So if you were just shilling for someone, and they couldn't really deliver...that word also gets out assuming it is a field that you are in and look for respect from your peers.
Posted By: AnotherDonJohn
This is ultimately more important than anything.
They represent the work experiences themselves.
When ive been asked , it actually hasn't been uncomfortable in the right contexts....
(Usual jokes I'm prepared for here by saying this)
...Which are if the provider and I have moved into the friend zone, so to speak,
And I'm supportive of her transition, as long as it's not drama ridden.
In parallel, we need to come up with a real context with which she can build up real work experience
And I can comment on THoSE skills.
Either with my independent llc or through some other entity whereby she updates me on her legit work.
Yes, it's like a weird internship.
Why would I waste my time?
One, my SO doesn't mind.
Two, No, I'm not getting any favors, believe it or not.
My conditions are just that there be no drama like drugs or crazy people who call me. The minute it happens I'm out.
I literally spend five to ten minutes on the phone a week while I'm dropping a deuce and writing emails on my phone.
I spend a few more minutes critiquing a résumé or cover letter.
I've only done it twice for two non-SO women I thought had potential and a reason to be doing this- for their kids (not mine, lol). It hasn't gotten weird either time... At least not yet.
Btw as for work gaps, yes you can say you're working a startup these days but that only flies for non corporate jobs.
I know of one other guy who provides references for his ad agency. We're the two references for one provider, who is working a legit career now.
We know the references are just to seal the deal - to dot the I's and cross the T's for the firm- after they're liked.
I only provide them that.
It's up to them to win the job.
Also, because of their unfamiliarity with the process, a lack of references arises as a source of anxiety.
I help take that fear away so that this is not an immediate concern.
And I don't shill. I try to stay close to the truth about the personal qualities.
Likable, shows up for work, responsibilities at the tester job, how long I've known her (lie about how met); again all based on that tester work situation that was set up
Mine and a few friends.
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either another career or business of their own going along with their P4P and or had a plan B. I know for a fact that I have been with girls who have went on to become everything from Lawyers ( I try not to hold that against them LOL.) to nurses, teachers and so fourth. Most of these women have had a lot more going for them than just a sexual skill set.
And perhaps it's true...at least in Hawaii.
But unfortunately my sample set doesn't equate to "most" have a lot more going for them. Quite the opposite unfortunately. But then again I'm not living in paradise
Posted By: hammerhead896
either another career or business of their own going along with their P4P and or had a plan B. I know for a fact that I have been with girls who have went on to become everything from Lawyers ( I try not to hold that against them LOL.) to nurses, teachers and so fourth. Most of these women have had a lot more going for them than just a sexual skill set.
He is not from here. I believe his experience is from Souther California, and perhaps that is where his "most" comment comes from.
Speaking as someone who has called Hawaii home since birth, and who has participated in P4P for about 32 years, I know that Hawaii is not special when it comes to the amount of former providers becoming successful lawyers, nurses, teachers etc. "Some" do. "Most" don't.
Posted By: ChgoCPA
And perhaps it's true...at least in Hawaii.
But unfortunately my sample set doesn't equate to "most" have a lot more going for them. Quite the opposite unfortunately. But then again I'm not living in paradise
Posted By: hammerhead896
either another career or business of their own going along with their P4P and or had a plan B. I know for a fact that I have been with girls who have went on to become everything from Lawyers ( I try not to hold that against them LOL.) to nurses, teachers and so fourth. Most of these women have had a lot more going for them than just a sexual skill set.
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I will have to admit I have only seen one true local island girl on Oahu who would not have fit in my "Most" category LOL.
They left the career behind to raise their children. Men do this as well sometimes, depending on the breadwinner. Then the kids graduate and go off to college. Do they step back in where they left off, normally no.
Both men and women leave their career to care for aging parents.
Providers are not the only people with gaps in their resume.
From both men and women who were (are) casualties of the Great Depression of 2008. It seems that over the past year or so many of them are now actively attempting to find jobs that they were in back 5 or 6 years ago.
Most gals aren't hookers forever and ever. Typically I see a 4-5 year period at the higher end. So many need only explain that gap....and it's always best to be honest. However, they should leave out the hooking part. Better to simply discuss the charitable work they were in, or other forms of service that many seem to actually do.
While many are now up against a formidable work opponent...it's just tough to even get that interview. I usually suggest to have a professional resume writer assist them in putting together a resume that will get them an interview. Seems someone who isn't emotionally involved can see things better.
Posted By: sexymarafouru
They left the career behind to raise their children. Men do this as well sometimes, depending on the breadwinner. Then the kids graduate and go off to college. Do they step back in where they left off, normally no.
Both men and women leave their career to care for aging parents.
Providers are not the only people with gaps in their resume.
As CPA points out, there were many casualties from 2008 onward.
From the HR training I received while working for many big corporations, areas of job gaps are issues of concern but are a potential HR minefield. Once I get a basic explanation that is viable and reasonable (raising children, care for family members, etc.) during the initial interview process, then you generally don't go any further, since that could lead to inappropriate questions regarding the applicants' age, marital status, family status, etc.
I agree with the idea of using a professional resume service to give you an advantage in the trenches. There's a lot of competition, as well as an unpublished/unofficial prejudice of hiring people with considerable employment gaps. Depending on the job, concerns are the loss of skills, or not possessing the latest techno skills for a job.
I know of several gals who worked their way through school or grad programs... and graduated with no student loans! Or others who provided part time because their day job just wasn't enough. (Probably more in this economy.)
I recent had a Fav Provider Retire. She's mature... was working a "day job" & doing FBSM on the side... as she approaches SS retirement age, she needed to go back to working something with W2s so she could bump her quarters worked figures into current price structure. I miss her services even while I know she is doing what she should.
I think a lot of making it is about getting the right skills & training, prepositioning yourself in a good job market... paying off your school bills... saving enough for a good start. I'm afraid there are those ladies who are not so disciplined.
Two take always from this extensive discussion today:
1. The vast majority of the posts were from men trying to rationalize why or why not hookers could transition from selling pussy to building a legitimate career.
2. A tiny group of posts from said hookers, mostly nonsensical, reflecting a complete lack of knowledge, desire, or interest in discussing how they will adapt when their "honey holes" dry up.
I rest assured that the Fortune 500 is safe, for the foreseeable future, from an onslaught of hookers taking over the CEO positions of those esteemed companies.
Thanks for the input.
Cisco
And, we can rest assured that your dumb ass will never make even Assistant Manager of the Home Depot, and your reviews or lack thereof, pretty much sum up what you can afford to spend. I am very sorry all the hookers you can afford are idiots, but it certainly explains why you can't fathom the thought of any part time provider actually doing something other than spreading her legs. News Flash... you will never know if one of those hookers is a member of your own family, until 20 years after they quit lol.
Might want to take that broad brush and paint yourself with it, because it's clear you are only projecting your lack of smarts onto others. If we were all truly dumb and incompetent, we would be much cheaper and much nicer honey. You don't need a crystal ball to predict if that's gonna happen any time soon.
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I understand your fear at what lies ahead for you. You seem bright but raleing against your aging body, fading beauty and dwindling options will get you nowhere. If you need some advice And guidance I would be happy to help if you wish. Or you can curse me and the fates for your poor decisions:
Do what I can to
Posted By: HooktardGold
And, we can rest assured that your dumb ass will never make even Assistant Manager of the Home Depot, and your reviews or lack thereof, pretty much sum up what you can afford to spend. I am very sorry all the hookers you can afford are idiots, but it certainly explains why you can't fathom the thought of any part time provider actually doing something other than spreading her legs. News Flash... you will never know if one of those hookers is a member of your own family, until 20 years after they
quit lol.
Might want to take that broad brush and paint yourself with it, because it's clear you are only projecting your lack of smarts onto others. If we were all truly dumb and incompetent, we would be much cheaper and much nicer honey. You don't need a crystal ball to predict if that's gonna happen any time soon.
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There are 20 year olds with more sag on their body than mine hon... might want to do some research. As for fading beauty, well I never had that in the first place, and still got paid. Unlike the hookers you speak of, I have never thought my looks or lack of them, would get me farther in life... common sense and hard work outside of hookerland did that. God knows I would be utterly humiliated if I was here in 10 more years begging for some dude to take care of me lol.
Please stop projecting your own insecurities on women here. Not all of us have to fk you... we never did. FYI, when a so called 'man' has to resort to age and beauty jokes as a comeback, it's a sure sign he is losing an argument. Did you miss that class in Freshman year of undergrad honey? Sorry about that, but maybe you should have gone to an on campus school vs. an online one. I can just bet the lovely ladies in NC are lining up for you. Woooo hoooo. Pick me, pick me!
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Congratulations on the career move, by the way. It seems the OP can’t grasp the concept that the opportunities in life are the ones we make for ourselves. As for me, by this time next week I’ll be riding elephants. And for once it won’t mean doing cowgirl with an over-weight client.
Oh wait... that's not really a compliment to you is it? LOL... love ya girl!
Nah...you didn't really mean that.
Have fun on the other side....and do visit when life gets too boring.
Maybe you can swing by ChiTown and we can do Denny's? I'll get my executive membership card by then.
I will miss you.
Posted By: rrasha88
Congratulations on the career move, by the way. It seems the OP can’t grasp the concept that the opportunities in life are the ones we make for ourselves. As for me, by this time next week I’ll be riding elephants. And for once it won’t mean doing cowgirl with an over-weight client.
I just can't say "no" to a Denny's card holder.
All those omelets and waffles. And the never-ending bacon. And the maple syrup fountain in which we bathed. Paradise!
Change your plans! Come to Vegas! You will be The Prom Queen!
*sob*
Doesn't mean you have to leave the board! Just make a new username and come back and post. We could use your brains and wit to counteract some of the crap here
Post from your ipad whilst riding an elephant!
From the inside out? You may be reasonably attractive physically though earlier you stated that you were to old and fat to be a drug rep. Not sure if you were lying then or now. Doesn't really matter though. Acting like an il-mannered cunt cheapens one in such a way that all attractiveness is lost. No manner how much you charge, it won't change how cheap you are as an individual.
I guess spewing the truth will result in being called a "fknasshole". Ouch that hurts coming from you.
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I have my guesses about how this will go...lol
Massive explosions, shit flying all over the place. Pass me that bag of popcorn, please!!
Sorry, if you shit your diapers on that one, but that's really not my problem. I never dealt with you mommy boys, because you are exactly the type most smart hookers price themselves to avoid ha ha. Stick with what you know... women who have to kiss your ass for that cash.
Can you put a price tag on your ass and get people to pay you? Even as low as 100 bucks? Did not think so. Can you manage to use this business to get through school by charging enough to only fk 2 guys a month, not a day? Again, did not think so. Can you sell an over 30 provider who is not a size 2 for 3 times the going rate? LMAO, BAM!
Tell me again, who is smarter? If you think most women here just looooove being with you, think again. They used you for your wallet to get somewhere else in life, while you're still here begging for someone to listen to you. Oh, and it has to be a stupid hooker because those are the only types you can feel like a man around.
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Never had a good mental picture of what this expression looked like until reading your posts. I just learned something whilst perusing the board. Thank you HooktardGold!
Gosh, you really are DUMB lol. I pity you, and any woman cheap enough to attract you. There was not even one exclamation mark in my entire post above, so not only are you clueless about Marketing, but you can't even comprehend the tone of simple English text. Again, yawn....
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Of course the year is only 13 days long.
Posted By: perfectstorm
Of course the year is only 13 days long.
A proclaimed Marketing scholar who only sees backpage girls, is not exactly a challenge... his very actions contradict his faux knowledge about the women in this business. You can't even teach the very hookers you pay to charge more and work less lol. Classic.
Don't look now, but if those same girls hook up with a provider who does know her shit, (unlike you) you won't be able to get them for bargain basement rates much longer. Then again, maybe they are in that group of deadbeats with no job skills who are stuck charging that and seeing losers like you, for eternity? Hey.. you said it, not me.
Seeing as though you want to pick on appearance and age though, not one of the girls you've been wth rates higher than me, dear, yet they are younger. I retired with an 8.8 Looks, 9.1 Performance... not that it matters of course, but it does make you look even more ignorant to insult someone on looks and skills when the providers you've reviewed rate less in BOTH categories. Marketing 101 or should I say MBA-615-8A.
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Should have cited a more reliable source. You said too old and fat.
Posted By: HooktardGold
A proclaimed Marketing scholar who only sees backpage girls, is not exactly a challenge... his very actions contradict his faux knowledge about the women in this business. You can't even teach the very hookers you pay to charge more and work less lol. Classic.
Don't look now, but if those same girls hook up with a provider who does know her shit, (unlike you) you won't be able to get them for bargain basement rates much longer. Then again, maybe they are in that group of deadbeats with no job skills who are stuck charging that and seeing losers like you, for eternity? Hey.. you said it, not me.
Seeing as though you want to pick on appearance and age though, not one of the girls you've been wth rates higher than me, dear, yet they are younger. I retired with an 8.8 Looks, 9.1 Performance... not that it matters of course, but it does make you look even more ignorant to insult someone on looks and skills when the providers you've reviewed rate less in BOTH categories. Marketing 101 or should I say MBA-615-8A.
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