There is an almost even split on those that agree or disagree that there was a theft based on the info provided. It IS a relevant fact - the OP seems to think there is no question that money was stolen. But providing the facts, rather than just stating he was ripped off, has allowed everyone to form their own opinion.
And if a lady believes something was stolen from her by a client, I have no doubt she is going to post him on a DNS anyway.
I just came from a session - first time with this agency provider. She is young and really hot. Angelic face, electric blue eyes, tight body, and her skills will put a lot of ladies to shame. She really enjoyed herself. I had 2 cups in an hour and she had multiple. She was really wet. Everything went well.
I knew I left $20 on my wallet. When I went home, I opened my wallet and the $20 was gone - had no cash left. I went inside the bathroom for awhile during our session, and I believe she picked up my cash at that time.
At the end of our session, she mentioned that she only got 30% of the fee and rest was for the hotel and agency owners. And she also told me she has a young kid, bills to pay, and it's been 5 days since her last call. And she surely appreciates a tip next time. I think she said all these after she took $20 of my wallet.
I was thinking of talking to her agency. $20 is nothin much but she still took it without permission. Knowing she has a kid and she relies on this job, I donno. I even told her I would give her a stellar TER review and she said - please! What will you do in my situation. Do something or do nothing?
The agency has a tier-rating and she was one of the more expensive ones, so I didn't see the need for a tip. I also told her I'll give her a good review and will come back to see her, which is a nice tip if you ask me. Her other clients have not done a review for her. Anyway ... I'm sure I had $20.
is never acceptable, no matter how small. the fact is you didn't gift it and she crossed major boundaries going in your wallet. you can't let her get away with that, or she will steal more from her next victim.
Posted By: DoggieStud
I just came from a session - first time with this agency provider. She is young and really hot. Angelic face, electric blue eyes, tight body, and her skills will put a lot of ladies to shame. She really enjoyed herself. I had 2 cups in an hour and she had multiple. She was really wet. Everything went well.
I knew I left $20 on my wallet. When I went home, I opened my wallet and the $20 was gone - had no cash left. I went inside the bathroom for awhile during our session, and I believe she picked up my cash at that time.
At the end of our session, she mentioned that she only got 30% of the fee and rest was for the hotel and agency owners. And she also told me she has a young kid, bills to pay, and it's been 5 days since her last call. And she surely appreciates a tip next time. I think she said all these after she took $20 of my wallet.
I was thinking of talking to her agency. $20 is nothin much but she still took it without permission. Knowing she has a kid and she relies on this job, I donno. I even told her I would give her a stellar TER review and she said - please! What will you do in my situation. Do something or do nothing?
"I knew I left $20 on my wallet. When I went home, I opened my wallet and the $20 was gone - had no cash left. I went inside the bathroom for awhile during our session, and I believe she picked up my cash at that time."
If I wasn't 100% positive she took the money I would let it slide. Wouldn't be the first time you thought you had money in your wallet, you had spent it and forgot. I thought I had lost $700 that was in my wallet a couple months ago. I had no idea who took it. I found it months later, in a coat I seldom wear. Just to be safe I would check my recent credit card transactions.If she copied your CC number and expiration date, her friend in Bermuda might charge thousands.
If your story is true then her IQ must be in the negtives.
Step 1: Empty your wallet while you aren't looking.
Step 2: Tell you a sob story that might encourage you to give her a tip, only to have you check your (now empty) wallet and discover the theft while you are there in the room with her.
You said she was talking about a tip AFTER you went to the bathroom.
If she took the money, it seems odd she would then try to get you to give her a tip, which would force you to look in your wallet, which would get her caught.
For $20 bucks, let it slide.
And stop leaving your wallet laying around.
Posted By: DoggieStud
I just came from a session - first time with this agency provider. She is young and really hot. Angelic face, electric blue eyes, tight body, and her skills will put a lot of ladies to shame. She really enjoyed herself. I had 2 cups in an hour and she had multiple. She was really wet. Everything went well.
I knew I left $20 on my wallet. When I went home, I opened my wallet and the $20 was gone - had no cash left. I went inside the bathroom for awhile during our session, and I believe she picked up my cash at that time.
At the end of our session, she mentioned that she only got 30% of the fee and rest was for the hotel and agency owners. And she also told me she has a young kid, bills to pay, and it's been 5 days since her last call. And she surely appreciates a tip next time. I think she said all these after she took $20 of my wallet.
I was thinking of talking to her agency. $20 is nothin much but she still took it without permission. Knowing she has a kid and she relies on this job, I donno. I even told her I would give her a stellar TER review and she said - please! What will you do in my situation. Do something or do nothing?
I never heard of 30% .. either poster is not familiar with reality of "hobby" and entire post is BS, or she lied to him or there is agency out there that is taking advantage of young providers.
Either way, something strange in state of Denmark.
The 30% she said is net to her, after the hotel gets paid. But I don't know if it was her way of earning more sympathy from me to give her a big tip next time.
Yeah I have thought about this. That if I had given her a tip, she'd be discovered. But maybe she could just say - maybe you spent that cash and pretended she didn't know.
I told her I was a first time client of the agency, and her rate was on the highest tier - higher than other girls. So she probably took the chance I would not tip as a first time visitor because she was already getting the highest rate than anyone there.
I didn't leave my wallet lying around, because it was in my jeans' backpocket. I went straight from withdrawing from a drive-through ATM (I was in my car) to her hotel. I even went and looked at the car floor if I dropped the bill - nothing. . Anyway, I'll let it slide
Do your review exactly as you would have. Score her a 9 or 10 if that's really how you felt. But also, include your suspicions about the theft in your review. Don't say - "but, she swiped a $20" - provide the facts exactly as you have here and let the reader decide what to think.
Do your review exactly as you would have. Score her a 9 or 10 if that's really how you felt. But also, include your suspicions about the theft in your review. Don't say - "but, she swiped a $20" - provide the facts exactly as you have here and let the reader decide what to think.
Wow that sure is going to make the situation look bright for her even though you don't come right out and say she ripped me off for $20....of which you cannot prove unequivocally. Oh well that gives the ladies something to think about when they "lose" $20 and post the last client on a DNS list with the facts as they are presented . No real proof, but they could follow your example.
Like canceling at the last minute. Putting the clients real full name and employment information for anyone to Google. Effectively outing him to anyone who looks. I have also seen one client outed on one of the public blacklist sites. He would be following the example of a few providers not the other way around. I would not include any mention of it to anyone, unless I was sure, but it is not like some ladies don't do far worse over just as stupid stuff. At least the review would not be searchable by her real name. If he is 100% sure she stole it he should just report it to the agency and forget it if not he should just forget it but if he did add it to his review it would not be anywhere near as damaging as some of the public black-list sites that have similarly stupid stuff reported and effectively outing the client with out any recourse to ever remove his name off the list. She could always get delisted or appeal the review. I agree that he would be an ass if he put it in the review without proof like seeing her do it but don't pretend some providers have not done worse for as little if not less. The review could and likely would hurt her business until she builds up other good reviews but the blacklisting could do more then hurt a guys hobbying it could cost him his job and/or his family and more than half of what he owns. I am not saying you would do so as I doubt you would but others have. If I was him I would just add her to my personal DNS list and move on. Too much drama without proof for so little. Literbike, I do not mean this as an attack against you or anyone else, I am just getting tired of the client bashing I am getting from certain friends of my wifes, and from some of the ladies on this board, not necessarily you. I guess I am getting a bit jaded.
Like canceling at the last minute. Putting the clients real full name and employment information for anyone to Google. Effectively outing him to anyone who looks. I have also seen one client outed on one of the public blacklist sites. He would be following the example of a few providers not the other way around. I would not include any mention of it to anyone, unless I was sure, but it is not like some ladies don't do far worse over just as stupid stuff. At least the review would not be searchable by her real name. If he is 100% sure she stole it he should just report it to the agency and forget it if not he should just forget it but if he did add it to his review it would not be anywhere near as damaging as some of the public black-list sites that have similarly stupid stuff reported and effectively outing the client with out any recourse to ever remove his name off the list. She could always get delisted or appeal the review. I agree that he would be an ass if he put it in the review without proof like seeing her do it but don't pretend some providers have not done worse for as little if not less. The review could and likely would hurt her business until she builds up other good reviews but the blacklisting could do more then hurt a guys hobbying it could cost him his job and/or his family and more than half of what he owns. I am not saying you would do so as I doubt you would but others have. If I was him I would just add her to my personal DNS list and move on. Too much drama without proof for so little. Literbike, I do not mean this as an attack against you or anyone else, I am just getting tired of the client bashing I am getting from certain friends of my wifes, and from some of the ladies on this board, not necessarily you. I guess I am getting a bit jaded.
I know what you mean about getting sick of the bashing...all round if you ask me. You here it and I read it. Don't ya wish it would cease?
Like canceling at the last minute. Putting the clients real full name and employment information for anyone to Google. Effectively outing him to anyone who looks. I have also seen one client outed on one of the public blacklist sites. He would be following the example of a few providers not the other way around. I would not include any mention of it to anyone, unless I was sure, but it is not like some ladies don't do far worse over just as stupid stuff. At least the review would not be searchable by her real name. If he is 100% sure she stole it he should just report it to the agency and forget it if not he should just forget it but if he did add it to his review it would not be anywhere near as damaging as some of the public black-list sites that have similarly stupid stuff reported and effectively outing the client with out any recourse to ever remove his name off the list. She could always get delisted or appeal the review. I agree that he would be an ass if he put it in the review without proof like seeing her do it but don't pretend some providers have not done worse for as little if not less. The review could and likely would hurt her business until she builds up other good reviews but the blacklisting could do more then hurt a guys hobbying it could cost him his job and/or his family and more than half of what he owns. I am not saying you would do so as I doubt you would but others have. If I was him I would just add her to my personal DNS list and move on. Too much drama without proof for so little. Literbike, I do not mean this as an attack against you or anyone else, I am just getting tired of the client bashing I am getting from certain friends of my wifes, and from some of the ladies on this board, not necessarily you. I guess I am getting a bit jaded.
I know what you mean about getting sick of the bashing...all round if you ask me. You here it and I read it. Don't ya wish it would cease?
And I guess I am guilty of bashing too. It is getting old. Sometime when you read hobby boards it reads like hobbyist and providers are some how rivals trying to hose the other one before they hose you instead of the symbiotic relationship which it is. Just a few threads down there was a thread about names that turned into a pissing match on who is risking more that I was guilty myself of participating in. I must be getting jaded as my posts are getting more and more one sided even though I try to remain open minded. Some of the ladies I know must really resent their clients the way the talk about them and I can see the same tone from some clients and ladies on this board like Jack_Schitt. At least you can turn your computer off, the bashing is way too often coming from a guest in my house. I guess there is to little fantasy in my hobby world. I get to see and some what live the crap on both sides of the envelope and there is plenty to go around on both sides of the envelope. I wish there was a way short of devoice for me to take a break completely the hobby. I am getting tired of the crap that comes with it. The hobby is dominating my life right now and it is showing up in the negativity of my posts and my provider bashing. It is just me venting as I am completely out numbered among those who come over to my home. My friends are out of the hobby loop and need to stay that way and my wifes friends are mostly, providers, ex-providers, or strippers and know I hobby and vent on me. What I like most about you, literbike, is your honesty but sometimes your posts remind me of some of the negative crap I hear from my wifes friends and it comes out in some of my posts. Sometimes I am an ass and I know it. I am sorry if I sometimes seem like I am belittling the ladies in the business, as I don't mean to. I have great respect for the ladies that provide and run their business fairly, with ethics, and respect for their clients.
So just becuse some women don't have the common sense God gave a dog, that justifies writing a review that would almost certainly damage her livelihood?
I did not say the behavior of some ladies justifies anything. In fact I said "If he is 100% sure she stole it he should just report it to the agency and forget it if not he should just forget it," and, "If I was him I would just add her to my personal DNS list and move on. Too much drama without proof for so little." My advise to the OP was it forget it and move on not to write a review. I was pointing out that he would not be stetting the example for those providers that "don't have the common sense God gave a dog," but following theirs, in response to literbike's post. I was in a bad mood last night and went off on a tangent, but I did not mean to justify trashing the lady in a review. If that is the way it read, I am sorry, as it was not what I meant.
There is an almost even split on those that agree or disagree that there was a theft based on the info provided. It IS a relevant fact - the OP seems to think there is no question that money was stolen. But providing the facts, rather than just stating he was ripped off, has allowed everyone to form their own opinion.
And if a lady believes something was stolen from her by a client, I have no doubt she is going to post him on a DNS anyway.
My point was I would be very hesitant to do that to a client unless I had absolute proof. He gets tarred as a thief and he has a hell of a time getting an appointment...even if there is whiff of alleged theft. I prefer to post something about someone that could be very detrimental to them if I can prove it without a shadow of a doubt...but that's just me.
Don't come across as a cheap-ass. There's really no better way to say it.
You have said that you'd give her a great review, which is a good tip in itself. Really? How far does a review go at the grocery store? A tip is money. Money given willingly for great service. Don't use it like a carrot in front of a donkey, or a bargaining tool. Yes...before anyone jumps in and says it...I know that a good review could bring in more business....blah blah blah. It's not a tip...and treating it one...is cheap-ass.
You said you mentioned to her that she's one of the higher tier girls price-wise. Tacky. A little class will go a long way.
As far as the $20? There's a bunch that doesn't make sense...so I'm going with the "two sides to every story" mindset on this one.
So you're coming to me as a cheap-ass as I paid more than you for this one. $20 is nothing, but you don't get it. It's the principle involved. Stealing $1 or $20 or $1000 is still stealing. That's what I've been wrestling with. It has nothing to do with the amount. And I am going to tip her for the 2nd visit, now that I know her performance. It's just that she steals, get it ? So even if I tip her $100, what's to stop her from getting another $40 or $60 from my wallet when I'm in the shower? That's the issue right there. It's never enough for some.
Has to be. Because it has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
It is good for a laugh, though. You speak of "principle" with such conviction. Convinced she stole from you....and going to see her again. Then, you say you're going to tip her on the 2nd visit now that you know her performance. You didn't know her performance at the end of the first visit? It took time to set in? If you did plan on tipping her, you stopped to get an extra whole $20?!?
Keep talking. Because the more you do...the more credibility you lose.....and you didn't have that much in the first place with the way you've acted around here.
You said you are going to tip her the second time you see her? But if she steals then why would you go back? Makes no sense....and you cant prove she did it. So just let it go.
And the ladies are paid primarily with tips. The lady only gets 50% of the $150 agency fee and must cover their own expenses like condoms and STD testing. The last review I wrote was an incall with an agency girl. I did not know at the time how this agency worked or I would have never booked. A lot of the back-channel information I received was incorrect or showed up after the session.
if you left a $20 bill visible, it would likely be considered a tip...if she actually went into your wallet and removed cash, bad on her, and bad on you for leaving it there. What are you saying by "on" and "of"? Your language or typing has clouded the issue for me.
I have absolutely no sympathy for thieves. If she needs more money then she should search out another service that will allow her to keep more of the money. I don't know where she is from, but the standard in Tennessee is 50% and the service usually takes the hit on the room as well (provided you are with a decent service). Or better yet, become an independent and keep it all. No excuses for stealing.
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