HI I just rejoined after long break... glad TER is back!! Here's a question for the ladies (or guys too).  Can providers tell when a guy is on Viagra? And does it make a difference to them one way or the other on the quality of the session??  

Here are the main tells for V:

I plan to get on TRT once I get to that point, and I imagine that would help certain guys to the possibly not need dick pills. A provider told me its sometimes hard to nut on Viagra which I think sort of defeats the purpose, no?

I love lifting weights and exercising.  About five years ago I noticed I was having to work out LONGER to keep my muscle mass the same.  I PM'd a hobby friend that I knew was already doing TRT who used to be a competitive Power Lifter.  He told me to go to a sports medicine doc and not my primary doctor.  I did, and he got me started on TRT.  I noticed major improvement within a couple of weeks.  If you have a sports motivation rather than a hormonal one, you will likely get a higher dosage.  If you're doing it just to keep from growing "moobs" or  breaking out in tears when  there's a  puppy commercial on TV because you have "low-T", the dosage will be smaller.  The SIDE EFFECT of all that T is that I have better and longer lasting wood during sex.  This is not the kind of side effect you complain about, so I didn't.  Lol

I would avoid injections unless you really have ED issues and can't take viagra/it doesn't work on you.

prostate cancer. Also, Viagra  has the side effect of making it harder for the guy to O.

What is “trimix”? OTC? Nugenix is a good product for gym work, and I feel a bit of a down-turn in bedroom performance when on the 2 week lull they suggest.

And not one response. ok ladies let me see if I can lend a hand here....
1-Can providers tell if we are on Viagra- Most likely YES! Of course your age and a stiff dick could give you away...But my feeling as a whole, they could tell. After all, they seen it all.
2-Do they even care?- Well this is a tough one as each girl is different. The one and done types, hell yeah they care. How do they delicately tell someone "Not this time honey" when after 40 into the date, the dude wants to jack another one on her.
But for the girl that allows MSOG within an hour, then go for it but don't spring that 3rd hard on at the 59th minute.
Now ladies, I may be a little off but not by much.....correct me if I'm wrong.

It does not make it easier to GET prostate cancer, but if you have any kind of cancer cells in your body, the T will exacerbate and  accelerate their growth.  That's why its important to get regular testing of your PSA score.  I use an online lab service and get tested once of month for Testosterone, Estrodial, hepatic function and PSA score for $99.  You can order the test yourself, go to Quest and they send the lab result directly to your email address within 72 hours.  If you take a doctor's order and get same tests from Quest and your insurance doesn't cover it (most WON'T beyond one a year), they charge you about $350.  When I have a semi-annual meet with my doc, I just print up the last six months of test results and  take them with me for my medical file.  My PSA has remained at 2.0-2.2 ever since I started on T.  Anything below 4.0 is cancer-free.  

Yes, a score in the 2s is fine and one over 4 is troubling but PSA can bounce around and can spike for no reason as well. Last year mine spiked to around 4 and my doc said to get it re-tested. It came back 2.2. The last one was 1.6. What's more important than the absolute number is the trend over a period of time.

that allows more blood to be retained in the corpus cavernosum for an extended period of time.  Because its an injectable, its a controlled substance and therefore only available by doctor's prescription. From what I have been told and read online, the only potential side effect comes from overdosing.  Because its administered locally to your dick, it doesn't matter what medications you take or any other medical issues you may have as long as your doctor says you are healthy enough in general for sex.  

I get tested monthly.  If you don't get tested but once or twice a year, then yes, your prostate health can go south quickly.  By testing monthly, any trend, up or down, will be quickly apparent.  I have been doing this for five years, so I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to TRT and prostate health.  No "boning-up" necessary unless I'm with a hot young woman.  

Luckily for me, I do not experience any negative side effects. Never heard from anyone I know that V makes it hard to finish. Not in my case, now I come even better than before because all the action leading up to it is better. All I see are benefits, mainly, the ability to get a rock solid hard on, which makes me able to have more fun, and more positions are possible again now just like when I was in my 20s!    

Thanks for the useful info Sir. Good points.  I am good on #1 and #2, luckily I don't experience those side effects so not an issue for me. So far I just see pure benefits, no down sides or negative effects.  So I suppose in my case the tell tail sign would be my age, when eventually the hard on doesn't match my age it will be obvious!   For now tho, I will keep it quiet and enjoy!!    

There's one more and it's about skin temperature. I have this when I take it to party. I'm a younger guy, so I only take it when I'm out to fuck 5+ girls in a day/night,  and girls often notice how my skin is unusually hot - a side effect of vasodilators.

Can't always finish.   Viagra can make it hard to cum.  So besides being pounded to death, the providers probably also hate the amount of work they have to do right up to the end of the session in order to get the guy off.  I think those two reasons are why a provider would care about viagra etc.  

Hey, sometimes customer cums on the first minute, sometimes he comes on 50th minute. It all balances out.

I only tried Viagra once. I was in my mid-40s and I was going through a stretch where I couldn’t get it up for my wife. I had a beautiful wife and she always turned me on but for a couple of months, no matter what we tried, I went through a frustrating time when I was impotent. I went to the doctor and he checked me out and prescribed Viagra. I took it a few times and while it did solve the impotence problem, I also had a severe allergic reaction to it. Every time I took it I had severe painful hiccuping. I would have hiccuping episodes for hours and each time I hiccuped it hurt my stomach. The doctor said it was an allergic reaction and advised me to quit taking it. I did, my hiccuping stopped, and I got over my impotency problem so I could enjoy my wife again ...

Most providers I know hate it when a guy takes Viagra when he doesn't really need it just so he can pound away on her for 59 minutes of a one hour session. It's a rare girl who really likes to fuck that long, especially a girl who does it for a living.  

Taking Viagra or pills are always harmful they do a lot of damage to the body and man just for having fun for a few minutes of sex results in several hours pain

I usually take a V before sex.  Other than flushing and a bit of occasional light muscle pain so far taking V has been more than worth it.

I know he doesn't have anywhere near enough "at bats" to qualify yet, but virtually every post he makes is piling up the points.  

Correct, it is the rate of increase (or velocity) that seems to be more important than the absolute level.  So, going from 1.0 to 2.0 over a one-year period is more concerning that an increase from 3.8 to 4.2.  PSA scores can vary between labs, whether you had sex 2 or 7 days before the test,  etc.  Getting tested monthly, per CDL, seems nonsensical to me if you are really interested in score changes over a sufficient period of time.   If you (CDL) that paranoid  that you get a PSA monthly, a much better approach would be get an MRI of your dick every 2-3 years, assuming insurance will cover.(CDL)   MRI's are so powerful these days that they can identify tiny lesions in your prostrate.   Of course, continue to get PSA tests every 6 or 12 months.

Those warnings in drug advertisements  are just CYA  from the drug companies to mitigate liability in case of an ALERGIC reaction, which is possible for just about anything you eat or drink that is new to your body.  A thousand times more people die from shellfish and nut allergies than from prescription drugs. I thought most educated grownups knew that.  

You didn't just compare LTM&L with an "educated adult" did you?  

I mean, I'm talking about different customers who cum fast and aren't on Viagra balancing out the pill takers. Although, I'll say that most of the time, a guy on V will take around the same time to nut on his first nut. Then, yes, refractory periods will shrink and next sessions will take longer.

This is just nonsense.

Just take cialis.   It works longer and it's not as stiff.  Just a nice solid cock.  Not a freaking metal pole.  I have taken both regularly but not only cialis.

Who, besides you, said anything about "deaths.'  I was talking about "allergic reactions."  Go back and read my post again, you moron.  The link below says 4.1 million children had reactions from food allergies in the last 12 months.  

Long ago the economist Milton Freidman and others studied the FDA and found that more people died from the delays of introducing new life saving drugs than from reactions to new drug introductions.    It's tragic that in fact the FDA's rules kill more people than they save.  For instance beta blockers were introduce in Europe about 10 years before they were allowed by the FDA in the USA.  Based on the numbers seen in Europe, it is estimated had the drug been approved in the USA 10 years earlier up to 100,000 lives could have been saved.  You don't see the headline FDA kills 100,000.  But in fact, that was the case.

people started nit picking shit.

My context of monthly testing was as an adjunct to TRT, not just for general prostate health.  You seem to have left that out when you decided frequent testing was "nonsensical."  I have a friend who was on TRT that went from being absolutely clean to needing prostate surgery in eight months.  If he can been testing monthly like I am, he could have avoided the surgery by catching it earlier. I'm not a paranoid guy.  In fact I'm willing to bet YOU wear a face mask way more than I do because you have gone all in on the Covid hysteria.  I AM prudent, and when I know I am increasing my risk by taking the TRT, I will mitigate that risk by testing PSA every time I test my T levels.  BTW, its called a "prostate", not a "prostrate".  Prostrate is what you are during the MRI.  Also, your prostate gland is not in your dick, as you stated.  I thought most men knew that.

that you should never have the blood test taken if you've had any sexual activity within 48 hours of the test.

that go by where I haven't had sex, except on Sundays, which is a day you can't get blood drawn, so I guess that means my score range of 2.0-2.2 INCLUDES whatever the harm is that you're talking about from sex within 48 hours of the draw.  So maybe my REAL range is even lower?

I hate agreeing Laffy the common sense challenged clown, but prescription drug abuse is a top ten killer and food allergies are not. Sorry the clown is right. God, I hate when a politically deranged clown makes me agree with him.

Abuse or side effects?  Those are two substantially different categories.

Especially dealing with oppiods. One extremely common side effects of proper use of oppiods is addiction to them and that leads to abuse. I do some volunteer work  with the homeless. Many have an oppiod addiction. Most started with prescribed use, and couldn't easily quit do to the fact they got hooked. Genes have a big part in this addiction.  

their European counterpart!
There are always pros and cons on both sides of risk propensity. So the reports you’re referencing are just representing the one side.
This debate has never been settled and will ever be!

Despite your admonishment, my last PSA about a month ago was 1.6.

Mine is the 3 - 3.5 range, but it jumped up to almost 6 when I got tested on a Monday have had sexual activity on Saturday.   My doctor is the one who asked about sexual activity, and when I got retested on that Friday, having had no sexual activity in the interim, it fell back to around 3.5.

ask you her name what her rate was?   Lol

I had a similar occurrence. I've been on TRT for 10+ years for medical issues. I get my PSA and testosterone levels checked every three months. It's always sub-2 PSA. Then one test if comes back 5+ PSA. My MD is concerns and says let's re-check in a month, and then if it's still high we'll be concerned. 30 days later back to sub-2 PSA. MD and I have a convo, and he asks me if, by chance, I had had sex within 48 hours of the aberrant test. Looked at my calendar and by gosh I'd had a friend in the weekend before the test and we'd been fucking like crazy for three days. We had a good laugh, as my MD is also a good friend and neighbor. It was only then that he told me no fucking for a few days before the PSA test. DOH!

My prostate wishes yours to stay small and smooth.
My only disappointment was my PCP, a young woman, did not give me the proverbial "finger wave."

His mom/25 cents.

I guess I missed the prostate location during anatomy class.   I always refer to it as my dick MRI  but I will be sure to correct myself in the future.  First of all, a PSA under 4.0 does not mean you are cancer free.  It simply means that the likelihood you have prostate cancer is lower than if your PSA is over 4.0.  In fact,  prostate cancer is found in 15% of men that have scores under 4.0.  The role of PSA  velocity was explained to me by a leading Hopkins urologist when I was getting a prostate biospy.  Not a fun procedure unless you like pissing blood for the next two weeks.  Assume you start at a PSA level of 1.8 and you increase about 0.2 per month but scores still vary due to the nature of the test. If you just compare month by month you think, no problem.  If you compare the results from year-to-year you might be headed to a biopsy.  Unless your friend had a biopsy prior to taking testosterone there is no way of knowing if he had a preexisting tumor or it was related to testosterone.  In any event,  it is highly likely that his urologist would have waiting a number of months before doing a biopsy.

Back on topic...

What I have actually heard from a couple of providers is the guys on V have harder time to cum. But I think it could be just a correlation and not causation. Old age may be the cause and not the meds but older men are more likely to take the meds.
On the topic of bad effects of V or not, viagra is a byproduct of an innovative drug originally meant to be hypertension drug. When the college male student subjects enrolled in the trial refused to give back the leftover supplies of the drugs- a follow up study showed the experimental drugs were helping the male subjects with better boners.

It does not happen to every person who takes the drug but the effect is real. I personally can't cum at all on boner pills and had to switch to injections. I can cum soft easier than I can on Viagra. I will admit my issues with maintaining an erection are more related to trauma to nerves in the area do to a botched surgery than blood flow issues. So my issues may be less typical. But the drug lists reduced sensitivity as a side effect right in it's drug information packet as a common side effect.

I agree with that, sometimes I cum, sometimes I don't.  But I always have a good time trying.  In that case it is better, in my  opinion, to be hard than to be able to cum.  (I can always cum eventually if the provider puts enough effort into it, including a vigorous hand job.  But they are not always up to the task or time has run out.) But I did get to pound them until I ran out of breath.   I love that.

MY post, had nothing to do with opiods, drug abuse or anything else of the kind.

Your post was correct. Viagra while not completely safe, is reasonablely so when taken as prescribed. Next to no one is arguing about your post. The issue I am agreeing with Daffy on is CDL'S comment that food allergies kill more people than prescription drugs do is false. We left your correct comment about Viagra behind after CDL made his very incorrect comment on prescription drugs in general are.  

in calling someone else a "partisan asshole", do you?  If you look in the dictionary under "partisan asshole", they have a picture of you.

Now I got to agree with everyone. Yay, me.

because my stalker most definitely was arguing mine, but he figures he can tell all the lies he wants about my posts because of my policy of not responding to him.

So I stand corrected.  Would you like me to buy you an ice cream?  You are so starved for attention you need something.  Why not go pay a women to cuddle with you?

Of you are, why do you insist on pretending it is?  Seriously every post you make is ether attacking a person on the right side of the isle or about politics directly. Are you seriously that off your rocker or is this an act? There is more to life then partisan politics, like getting laid or enjoying a beautiful summers day.

I get chewable generic Cialis, 20 ngs,, from an online pharmacy which says “Canadian”, but who knows. Really cheap at maybe a couple of bucks a pill! A few years ago, I would lose my erection halfway through a session on occasion if I had a prolonged daty break mid session. Now i chop the pills up into 5-10 Mg pieces. The result is a 60 minute missile! Sometimes it takes a bit longer to come, but I rarely blow early during a great bbbj, for example!  No problem settling back down after an explosion, needing a few minutes, not instantly flaccid. Several providers have commented that I get hard like a young guy!  I Credit their sexiness!

Whatever it takes Make that cock hard and last longer
Kisses

I can never tell the difference between powdered donut dick and viagra though.  

I have to ask, what's a powdered donut dick? I thought I'm fairly versed in sex slang, but I'm kind of drawing a blank there.

is a reference to cocaine, and the UD has a couple of references to sexual practices employing cocaine on various body parts, especially the genitals, so I'm going to surmise that this might refer to applying cocaine to to the penis prior to sexual activity.

A half hour is only 3 on and on's . . . . 8 would be an hour and twenty minutes of on and on's, just to be clear.

Thanks for your honest opinion. I think you hit a very good point. If the chemistry is great between the 2 of us, maybe it won't matter much if I am on Viagra, but if you get "bored" easily after 1/2 hour of pounding then it will not be good no matter if it is a hard-on from Vitamin V or not.  

Thank you Sheila!!! That is what I wanted to hear!!!!  

That's what I'm saying. Quite a few civvies out there want to continue fucking if you nut 30-40 minutes in. Girls who are genuinely attracted to you and/or are nymphos actually don't want you to nut fast and want to keep going for their enjoyment to be prolonged. Just like for me, Id rather spend my time fucking and enjoying it, than not fucking, but that's just me.  

Yes, we can tell,.. but from what I remember it is a difference between "powder" dick and viagra dick.

We all have our personal styles, likes, and dislikes. I am simply answering your question.

There are people who can't cum because they did too much coke. I always thought that was because of viagra until a friend told me about that too.

I that's the case, I absolutely love to boink, pillow talk, grab a drink, boink again, yada yada yada.

Viagra will help someone go additional rounds.  However it doesn't guarantee it.  A man's refractory period depends on the individual and circumstances.  For myself if I cum at 45 minutes, I am not going to cum again in the next 15.  It's possible in a 90 minute session and still more likely in a 2 hour session.   I'm 67.  If I didn't take Viagra (or Cialis) I would probably lose erection around 30 minute mark, cum or no.   I'm not sure I'd rise again in 2  hours, been a few years since I didn't use V, so don't know how my age has changed response without it.

And I say, I sure do!   I just saw this quote on a provider page or twitter somewhere ...
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"Everything in the world is about sex except sex. Sex is about power."  --  Oscar Wilde
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I thought you were talking about coke too at first, but the thing about coke - at least from what I've heard, never done it myself - is that you often can't get it up int he first place. Which is quite different from viagra, lol.

Nah I get it. I get bored too sometimes and nut early. I can definitely see and understand the mechanical part of it, as well as keeping a woman turned on. I guess my point was that sometimes if the girl is really into it she'll ask for you to keep going and going, etc. Maybe with a break in between.

It shortens the refractory periods. So, yes. I usually take it only for binge days. Personally, I already have short refractory periods, and viagra just puts it in overdrive. I'm talking  consistent 10 minute rests between something like 8-15 nuts. The time between first and second still might be a tad longer, depending on how long you ago you had your previous nut.  

Hell Yes!! It will vary with each guy of course but in my case, Viagra consistently allows me to go more than once during a typical 1 hr date. Before V, I could do it sometimes but not always, started happening less when I hit my mid 40s.  So now, main reason I take V is to get a solid hard on, but the secondary effects are that I can last longer and can go more than once in a short time. After some pillow talk usually for 5 or 10 mins I am ready to go again.  It is wonderful, especially with the right ladies who are as horny as I am.  Definitely makes me feel like I am in my college days again!!  

I can tell.
Don't count on it to hold back your orgasm.

Some times is just mental and you dont even needed. Just match with a person that spark the joy.  
It's all in your mind... unless theres medical reasons.

It also moves differently and the nuance isn't there. You become a sex doll and all of the nuances go away...

I think you're talking about a different situation - if you're taking it for the intimacy to last longer, and you're enjoying sex "in the moment" then that's different. If you're a guy doing it to perform, that's another ball of wax.

I'm not sure if I see the difference between someone who is "performing" and someone who's just fucking... are you saying guys who are not on v are less mechanical because they know they will come earlier ?  

Can a provider tell when a guy has use a delay spray? Even a high end one like Promesence?
Never tried it but I heard an interview with the founder on a podcast and it has a distinct odor. Probably could shower it off for any oral activit?

My ED started in my early 40's.  

I've seen cock rings work as well - the whole pump thing is nice.

That was what we did before there were bonor pills to use/abuse. lol I could honestly fuck ALL night with my nose full until I was about 35 at which point it started having the opposite effect. I had my first experience with coke dick sometime in my mid/late 30's after spending hours talking this hot young thing into my bed only to have my very first experience with "equipment failure" what a sobering event. It pretty much ended my coke days. lol

No, not saying that at all. As you will see below, the sentence I used was referring to both viagra examples.

....think most providers would prefer a full 7" wallet vs a hard 7" cock....the thing to do is...HAVE BOTH....

Got it now, thanks for explaining and being patient with me !

You sound like a patient person. I'm just posting because I can relate to it. When you are patient you expect others to be patient too. Not now but when I was younger some people didn't have patience with me, specially the female type.  
Now I just don't care or there isn't as much people to interact with or whatever.

Thank you for being patient with me! I can get wordy and the message becomes lost lol

Not sure if you are talking to me or Team Rocket, but just to note, with the number of people you, me, and the others are banging, not everybody is going to be physically compatible. I don't think anybody should feel bad or good, just find the right ppl to fuck lol

I would rather he use Viagra than have performance issues. As long as it doesn't cause him to take 5 hours to orgasm! Which hasn't been an issue I've ever faced with it

yes...providing the chemistry and rules allow for MSOG!...

It's tough to differentiate between the two lol!

I guess if he's thirty, bet on the 8 ball. If he's sixty, bet on Viagra. lol

This is a really great response. Thank you

A modest dosage of trt 100-125mg of doctor prescribed test cyp, paleo type diet (with moderate amount of starchy tubers)... Fully body strength training 3x a week alternated days with 30-45 minutes of cardio, plenty is sunshine, a good vitamin d3 k2 5000ius daily supplement along with a highly absorbable Zinc/magnesium complex before bed on an empty stomach and all vigara-similar drugs will be obsolete! .... and will be an in shape lean mean hobbyist that the ladies will look forward to spending time with!😉

Sorry to break it to you, but it is NOT just all in your mind. It is medical.   When guys hit that age, it just changes physically and you will need some extra help to get going like when we were 20.   I was in denial for a long long time, as a lot of guys are..... But eventually I realized I was not performing the same and thought just try it..... and sure enough, I was rock hard again with Viagra.