Just need to vent.

I'm just about fed up with young indy providers from BP.  Last week, I set an appointment and she said 'yes'.  When the time came, no call no show no nothing. And I already saw this lady once.  Today, set up an appointment with another young lady with 1 good TER review - when I arrived at the hotel and called for room number - she said she couldn't make it.  She never even called so I wouldn't drive to the hotel.

I've had it.  Will go back to either an Agency or established indies above 27.  

"Will go back to either an Agency or established indies above 27."  Sounds like a good idea to me. That is what I do. Never been disappointed.

I used to do incall massage-lots of guys stood me up, so I'd triple book and see the first to show up. Please remember, providers are there to make money

Why you fucking around with las chicitas de BP, then come here and bitch about it when you get empinate. Y not in a bueno way, ese' ?

Fuck, carnal. Tell me you're not like the pendejo in the previous thread. Looking for a quick fuck for bargain basement prices.

Is getting your chorizo wet that importante ahora mismo, that you can't do proper research and find a lady to fulfill your wants and needs? Aye papi....

No compendre', cabron.

Pero, if you had patience, Y appreciated las chicas, you'd be muy bueno con your choices.

Yeah, my heritage comes out sometimes when I've been drinking.

A little Spanglish never hurt anyone...

Fool me twice, shame on me.  Maybe one day you'll figure it out.  

That's happened to me with a VERY well reviewed provider. My advice is to always have a backup plan.

sorry about your hassle, Bro

You can look a bit harder and see someone with more than 1 review and you should be alright. But hey good luck.

you must accept the fact that they definitely have pimps. In other words, if the BP (former CL) types are "reliable", that is because they have the kind of "daddies" who'd knock the snot out of them if they weren't ready to go!

Now if you'd want to be the demand to that supply curve, then go ahead and seek out the reliable types on BP and alike, because I tell you what:

Most of those girls who are truly indie, young and operate out of BP, you'll find them at the nearest mall when they have a few hundred $$$ in their purses

You show no respect from your clients. Your actions are deplorable. I am not excusing the guys that stood you up but what you do is just as bad. Women like you give others in your profession a bad name and make the guys more inclined to stand up other in the future.

Plus the good clients you stand up are hopefully not going to rebook thus you will be missing future business form guys who keep their appointments. These clients will often warn others about you and so you will miss other quality clients along the way. Your weakening the quality of clients you see that way.

Triple booking is losing you money in the long run and increasing your risk of meeting up with guys like jlart123 in the thread below. Any good business needs return costumers and positive word of mouth for long term profitably and your business plan weakens you ability to generate both.

Ladies, and I am using that term loosely, like you really piss me off. I hope I never book a date with you. Please feel free to decline any attempt by me to book with you in the future. You will be doing me a favor.

But I do my homework and don't cheap out. It is not where he is looking it is how he is looking that is the issue.

Not every lady on Backpage has a pimp or is unreliable. How many of these ladies do you know? I know plenty and guess what they don't have pimps and they can keep a schedule.

True that the flaky ones do out number the quality ones but what you said is as bad as the crap they put out on the media about this hobby and just as accurate. Yes pimped ladies are on Backpage and so are the flakes, but so are many quality ladies. Generalizations are rarely accurate about any group.

Have yet in the few years I've been here to be stood up, fucked up, or laid out in the cold.

Some fuckers just ain't as lucky, I guess, and have to whine about it.

Better them than me!

You sir are a snob. I'm not surprised by this kind of comment YET AGAIN. BP is KMART, BP is GARBAGE and so are ALL THE GIRLS ON THERE. Right?

Girls on Eros don't have pimps RIGHT? NR, CV, Date-Check, P411 etc Oh noooo that's IMPOSSIBLE! *gasps*

It's YOU that needs to accept something. BP for many is just another avenue for many ladies to advertise.  Oh AND if those pimped out girls are in the mall with a few $$$ in there purse  so is the lady that only sticks to higher paid sites.  And how about this is MOST of the girls who "operate" out of BP are so low-end that might mean so are most of the guys which includes a giant chunk of the men of TER.  -insert smiley face here-

BTW Eros and other "premium" sites like it aren't neccessarily of a better class they just cost more to put your face there. If you didn't know any of this already.....you're welcome.

Posted By: casinostocks

you must accept the fact that they definitely have pimps. In other words, if the BP (former CL) types are "reliable", that is because they have the kind of "daddies" who'd knock the snot out of them if they weren't ready to go!

Now if you'd want to be the demand to that supply curve, then go ahead and seek out the reliable types on BP and alike, because I tell you what:

Most of those girls who are truly indie, young and operate out of BP, you'll find them at the nearest mall when they have a few hundred $$$ in their purses

No kidding? Lol…

Hey, no knock to providers that advert on BP. But, seriously, how reliable were you at 21?----or 23? Whatever.  You do have other options you know.

Some of this stuff is so obvious.

Call it what you may, but please do not twist my words! I never said this, "every lady on Backpage has a pimp or is unreliable"!

What I am saying is this: Young ladies on BP (18-20 range YO) + reliable (i.e, maintains a schedule) = Pimped, managed, supervised , or whatever you want to call it! Under 21 can't even check into many hotels without a fake ID!

I never said that there were no quality ladies on BP! Check again to see what got your knickers in a twist, but I guess that I am guilty of not defining "young". So there you have it, to me it meant the 18 to 20/21 range and if you claim to know a lot of girls in that age range who are on BP are indies and reliable, I'd say that you are full of it!

I am steadfast about my opinion that many young girls in this industry in the 18-20 YO demographics are pimped, but if it makes one feel better about it, then use the word "managed". To me it is all the same and mere semantics.  If I had to put a number on it, I would say 80% or more, i.e, 4 out of 5 girls in that age demographic who used to advertise on CL and have now migrated to BP are PIMPED! Don't even get me started about the underage girls which will open a big can of worms!

To address your Q, "do I think that girls on CV, Eros, DC, P411 are not pimped?" Absolutely incorrect! Pimps "pimp out" their merchandise on those other sites too and why not? It captures a larger market share if they are willing to spend the advertising $$$ which pales in comparison to the revenue, if they can keep their girls working. So what are you exactly trying to argue here? All these other words & phrases such as "class" & "low-end" came from you and not from me!

Posted By: TrulyMsMocha

You sir are a snob. I'm not surprised by this kind of comment YET AGAIN. BP is KMART, BP is GARBAGE and so are ALL THE GIRLS ON THERE. Right?

Girls on Eros don't have pimps RIGHT? NR, CV, Date-Check, P411 etc Oh noooo that's IMPOSSIBLE! *gasps*

It's YOU that needs to accept something. BP for many is just another avenue for many ladies to advertise.  Oh AND if those pimped out girls are in the mall with a few $$$ in there purse  so is the lady that only sticks to higher paid sites.  And how about this is MOST of the girls who "operate" out of BP are so low-end that might mean so are most of the guys which includes a giant chunk of the men of TER.  -insert smiley face here-

BTW Eros and other "premium" sites like it aren't neccessarily of a better class they just cost more to put your face there. If you didn't know any of this already.....you're welcome.

Posted By: casinostocks

you must accept the fact that they definitely have pimps. In other words, if the BP (former CL) types are "reliable", that is because they have the kind of "daddies" who'd knock the snot out of them if they weren't ready to go!

Now if you'd want to be the demand to that supply curve, then go ahead and seek out the reliable types on BP and alike, because I tell you what:

Most of those girls who are truly indie, young and operate out of BP, you'll find them at the nearest mall when they have a few hundred $$$ in their purses

but along the lines of what you said, it would be pages a day if everyone complained everytime it happens.

Yes it sucks, and it doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman, it still sucks.

I think the only way to discourage it is for everyone to take a stand and refuse to tolerate it. Too many guys will see a major hottie advertising and even if she has a rep for NCNS their little head takes over and decides it's worth the risk. The same goes for the ladies, business is slow, or the rent is due and they will book an appointment against their better judgement with a known flake, and then they are pissed when he does it to them too, even when they should have known better than to have booked the appointment to begin with.

If both men and women would refuse to schedule with known time wasters, maybe, just maybe they might stop. Yeah right, I proably just need a drink because it's never going to happen. lol

I see ladies on bp, nothing wrong with that. How do you know they have pimps, have you ever reviewed or seen a lady who advertises on backpage?

If it does not work for you then do not do it.  I go to wal-mart and sometimes they are out of stock on what I want so I do not go back? what kind of fool are you? In this hobby life happens and yes it has happened to me also. And yes I bitched a little but nothing beats a young hottie fucking your brains out when it does go right.  I am a firm believer in TOFTT to keep new talent coming in,  if you take the time to ask you will hear how many no shows they get.  It does go both ways so take it wiith a grain of salt and go on.

Think not. You got lot of riff raff's and complained on TER boards. You would not get a single decent hobbyist with your strategy. Who am I to say what you should do? I am not. Do as you wish!

Posted By: soverynecessary

I used to do incall massage-lots of guys stood me up, so I'd triple book and see the first to show up. Please remember, providers are there to make money

NO KNOCK then you do just that. That's like when people start out saiyng no disrespect and do just that. No need for the buffer.  And how reliable am I at 21? VERY.

Absolutely it goes both ways. It sucks YES but exactly move on. Boooyyyy if we complained just as much about no-shows it probably be pages a day. lol

A SNOB. I said iy.

Posted By: casinostocks

I am steadfast about my opinion that many young girls in this industry in the 18-20 YO demographics are pimped, but if it makes one feel better about it, then use the word "managed". To me it is all the same and mere semantics.  If I had to put a number on it, I would say 80% or more, i.e, 4 out of 5 girls in that age demographic who used to advertise on CL and have now migrated to BP are PIMPED! Don't even get me started about the underage girls which will open a big can of worms!

To address your Q, "do I think that girls on CV, Eros, DC, P411 are not pimped?" Absolutely incorrect! Pimps "pimp out" their merchandise on those other sites too and why not? It captures a larger market share if they are willing to spend the advertising $$$ which pales in comparison to the revenue, if they can keep their girls working. So what are you exactly trying to argue here? All these other words & phrases such as "class" & "low-end" came from you and not from me!

Posted By: TrulyMsMocha

You sir are a snob. I'm not surprised by this kind of comment YET AGAIN. BP is KMART, BP is GARBAGE and so are ALL THE GIRLS ON THERE. Right?

Girls on Eros don't have pimps RIGHT? NR, CV, Date-Check, P411 etc Oh noooo that's IMPOSSIBLE! *gasps*

It's YOU that needs to accept something. BP for many is just another avenue for many ladies to advertise.  Oh AND if those pimped out girls are in the mall with a few $$$ in there purse  so is the lady that only sticks to higher paid sites.  And how about this is MOST of the girls who "operate" out of BP are so low-end that might mean so are most of the guys which includes a giant chunk of the men of TER.  -insert smiley face here-

BTW Eros and other "premium" sites like it aren't neccessarily of a better class they just cost more to put your face there. If you didn't know any of this already.....you're welcome.

Posted By: casinostocks

you must accept the fact that they definitely have pimps. In other words, if the BP (former CL) types are "reliable", that is because they have the kind of "daddies" who'd knock the snot out of them if they weren't ready to go!

Now if you'd want to be the demand to that supply curve, then go ahead and seek out the reliable types on BP and alike, because I tell you what:

Most of those girls who are truly indie, young and operate out of BP, you'll find them at the nearest mall when they have a few hundred $$$ in their purses

Changing it up might help.  But beware; I did the same thing a few weeks ago.  Switched to a well know agency.  Had the date; but disappointed b/c the girl was not nearly as attractive as her ad.  
It's like  "James -friggin- Cameron" does their photo shoots/editting.  The BP ads are amateurs; the real pics have unreliable girls, & the hot pics are fakes.  In a short time, I've learned there are no guarantees or perfect set-ups.  But it's frustrating having your time wasted by a BP gal, then see 5 reviews of the same girl pop up in the same week.  She obviously came thru for some guys.  I also try & remember that they're real, & have their own agenda's & issues.  Just as we may change our minds or back-out, etc.  Lack of communication simply reflects on their lack of maturity.  Instead of BP, check out eros or escorts.com  Good Hunting!

No doubt the providers complain just as much I don't think I said otherwise and if it seems that way I definitely don't mean that. I mean as far as if we actually made THREADS about it HERE as much. We wouldn't get as many pat on the backs. No....we wouln't but that's alright.  And as far as what you said in the end yeah it won't be happening anytime soon with time-wasters from either end going away  and neither will hearing about it from people who should've known better or didn't have a backup will post here about it.

There is the business model which does not use appointments, but accepts the first guy to show up & does not answer the phone until she's available again.   We'll never know which girls do this...  until they do it to us.  
To the OP:  You didn't do your homework.  On the Newbie board we would be expected to be more gentle...  and I'll still try...  but in the GD board guys are supposed to know to read the profile, read her ads, read her web site {IMHO, girls with no web site are not as serious about the business & more likely to flake}, look for a well reviewed provider & that is surely several more than "1".  I often find the first review to be suspect / distorted.  THEN, read the reviews (requires VIP).  Sure that costs a few bucks but still less than a spoiled date or wasted opportunity.    
TOFTT has it's risks...  as you now know.
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Your problem is finding providers on BP....there ARE some good reliable ones,however, most are BSing and wastes of time.

A provider's age has nothing to do with the problems you face. Providers at every age do this(and so do hobbyists) I'm a 22year old provider and I don't do this, and yes, I've advertised on BP every once in awhile.

DON'T see unreviewed ladies. If it's been said once, it's been said a million times. If she has less than 2 reviews-pass. Far as the lady who stood you up after seeing you once, move on.

Just don't forget that hobbyists do the same thing to providers. Just last week a guy I saw once ripped me of off 1500 for an overnight meeting(my mistake for not requiring a deposit before I drove to him. He of course never showed up after a 2 1/2hr drive to his city)

Learn your lesson. Shit happens. Move on and see well reviewed providers.

Its all about the money, but they are not prostitutes! Yeah right!

Yes and you are the type of provider who is less than ideal and advertises on BP. You make all providers look like crack whores the way you run your "business". But you do what you want...

What are men who use prostitutes then? hmmm? Of course they don't get a social taboo name because it's all the ladies fault for being so sleazy.

She is an example of a bad provider. And it IS about the money. You think if you're cute and have a big cock I'll sleep with you for free? Likewise if you're rude,smelly, and ignorant you think I'll sleep with you for any amount of money? hmmmmmmm

plenty of no show above 27 as well...