Porn Stars

Re: It happens
chunks14 86 Reviews 3347 reads
posted
1 / 12

It has recently come to my attention that having this happen is becoming a common practice and I have two examples.  First, earlier this month I saw a very famous UTR model.  I had a great time with her and she asked me not to review her which I will honor.  However, we talked a great deal and she explained to me that it's know ordinary for longer appointments to automatically bump shorter ones that fall during the same times even if the shorter one is made first and is confirmed.  The booking agent makes a higher % and will usually do this.  Second, this weekend I had a confirmed appointment with a famous adult film star and I was canceled about an hour before it started by the BA.  I have been contacted by another reviewer that was bumped three times by the same star on the previous day.  There has to be double booking and/or bumping because of a longer appt. going on in this situation.  When I was canceled, I was told she had to cancel all appts for the day and the next but I'm pretty sure she took appt on the day of our appt.  This is complete garbage?  Right???  Thoughts, experiences, concerns, etc...

mrfisher 115 Reviews 1499 reads
posted
2 / 12

The airlines do it too, and they are federally regulated.  I don't see congress passing a "Johns' Rights Bill" any time too soon.

Just decided to stop seeing gals who do this, and tell your friends about her too.  Maybe it will have some effect.

In the meantime, know that most gals do not do that kind of thing.  I've experienced it only about 3-4 times in the many, many years I've been hobbying.

JB1982 17 Reviews 1141 reads
posted
3 / 12

and it's more about economics than anything else.  Assume you have a "confirmed" 8:00 - 9:00 p.m. appointment for $500.  She gets a call for an overnight for $2,500 or a weekend for $5,000 or $6,000.  Most girls will try to start the overnight or the weekend latter so they can do the 8 - 9 and make that money too, but, if the person doing the longer gig says that's a no-go if it can't start by 6 or 7, guess what, that 8 - 9 is probably going to get canx.  It also happens when a "regular" comes into town and wants to see the girl.

That's one reason I like to play in Vegas, if something like that happens, it only takes about as long as it takes to dial a phone to find someone else to "fill the bill"

mdphotographer 16 Reviews 1030 reads
posted
4 / 12

I had something similar happen to me trying to book Danielle Derek in DC last week.While I never actually had one scheduled I was willing to do a very late night appt or I could have a high priority for the next day was told to wait for confirmation on my late night and 2 hours later was told late night now not possible and she wasn't available until 3pm the next day...so much for my priority (all this after I had already gone through screening) The next morning I sent an e-mail expressing my desire to still see her and didn't hear anything for 2 hours so I made other plans. 6 hours after I sent my e-mail I got one saying she would be available at 10pm lol I said no thanks I made other plans with someone who wanted my business. I was informed by the screener they had enough business and didn't need mine lol

A word to the wise when booking Danielle don't get your hopes up you don't know what will happen when trying to book her

mrfrench 1385 reads
posted
5 / 12

Yes, it happens.   It happens almost always with the girls you find advertised on BP and other similar sites.

The better agencies, and the better escorts will try to avoid it but shit happens.  Sometimes it's unavoidable.

A lot of the higher end escorts (porn stars or not) will only book one or two dates a day, or leave a few hours between dates just so this sort of thing doesn't happen.  The classier agencies and escorts will offer you something if it does since, as I said, sometimes shit happens.

But, the reality of the situation is that money talks.  And the girls and agencies will almost ALWAYS go for where the bigger bucks are.  So, if you're booking a 1hr date for $1K and some guy comes along and is willing to pay $5K for a multi-hour date that overlaps yours - you're going to lose.  However, as I said, the classier girls and agencies will make it up to you somehow.   One time when it happened to me, the agency recommended a different porn star at a reduced rate and I had a WONDERFUL time.  That's how I met Audrey Bitoni!  (And for BW/Perfection Models - this was before TLC existed.)

HelpUbookher See Agency Profile 1157 reads
posted
6 / 12

It happens to Agencies all the time as well....Guys say they want a date...schedule it and then the day of..or sometimes just a few hrs before they contact us and cancel.
It happens on both sides of the fences.

BenjaminWalter 1347 reads
posted
7 / 12

I offer a contrarian view on the subject, and I argue that complain about cancellation are biased at best, since the mechanism at work lead to see the problem as functional to the fact that it works the other way around. Let me make my case with helps of some numbers and some statistical dry work:)

Based on my database there are between 1,000 and 1,350 Porn stars actually available in the porn escort market; this number refer to porn stars working with agencies, which accordingly to my research there are about 15 active, depending on how you classify them. From this total, I exclude UTRs, which in my view are a different segment of the market. When you consider the likely population of hobbyists, dealing with the agencies and the porn stars market, it is relatively reasonable to assume that the ratio hobbyists/porn stars is about in the magnitude of 10-to-15 to 1. We can get a likely parameter considering this: I did an experimental research using NYC and Los Angeles as a case study.

I proceeded as following:

I took a three time-periods measurement of the number of porn stars visiting NYC and Los Angeles in 2012: in June, September and December. For each of these months I calculated the total number of porn stars visiting and computed the average by month. Overall, on average about 45 porn stars visited during each of the months under study; I used agencies ads on Eros and other avenue, plus their announcements on their website to match the numbers for each specific month. I then eliminate from my sample those porn stars who were actually visiting under multiple agencies at the same time, or did visit both cities in the months under scrutiny here. I then checked TER review database to compute the number of review been posted that could be matched to the porn stars visiting NYC and Los Angeles. Keep in mind that I used NYC and LA as case study for a reason: Before doing that, I constructed a database from TER calculating the geographical distribution of reviews by cities, and NYC and LA were by far the most cited, covering about 47.3% of the total. That means that about half of the reviews related with porn stars are posted in relationship to porn stars that happen to be in any of the two cities. This distribution cover TER review Database from 2000 to 2012, so that is a reasonable robust result.

How many reviews were posted relating with porn stars visiting NYC and LA, during the three-time period under observation? On average, only about 12% of reviews were posted for each month, but many reviews were multiple relating with the same porn stars, probably a function of her status and of her stable market in both cities. In brief, less than 10% of reviews relates with visiting porn stars. The ratio between the visiting population and the overall population of porn stars is less than 1%; the ratio between number of review posted and the visiting population is about 12%, which can be translated as following. We know that reviews are not coming from a random sample population, since it is a self-selected population, so their probability distribution cannot be subjected to rigorous testing. However, we can use the inverse rule of Bayes to compute the probability distribution as following: 12%-100 = 88%, which represent the population of hobbyists NOT writing reviews. Then, the ratio reviews/visiting population became corrected as 88%-10%= 78%. Using this ratio, we can compute then the inverse probability distribution of the overall population of hobbyist versus the overall population of porn stars. Based on this complicated Bayes formula [PD 1,000 or PD 1,350/78%, based on the Bayes inverse probability function], we can argue that the likelihood of having a cancellation is as following: between a ratio of 1/11 to 1/15 porn star/hobbyist. This means that the likelihood of having a cancellation is a function of a ratio that is 11 to 15 times higher comparing to each odds of having a booking. To said otherwise: Each porn star has a probability of having a cancellation that is proportional to the number of likely booking. The ratio tells us that the probability of having a cancellation is in the order of magnitude that goes from 1/11 to 1/15 for each likelihood booking. Each porn star may well get 11 to 15 cancellations for each odds ratio of having a booking.

This result helps to explains:
1) Why some agencies require a deposit up front to minimize the risk;
2) Why many porn stars who are booking independently request a partial deposit when touring;
3) (and more importantly) Why the assume correctly that the probability of having a cancellation is way higher than having a confirmed booking, and why they attempt to off set that using multiple overlapping booking because even that confirmed booking is a tiny guarantee of going through.

Now this does not invalidates the idea that ‘money come first’ when cancellation happens. Clearly, is a perfectly reasonable assumption in this business that if a porn star has a 1K confirmed booking, and then another likelihood offer comes with a 3K booking, she or her agency will clearly favorite the latter over the former. But I will argue that this is a function of the fact that having a 3K booking offer make easy to off set the likelihood of having a 1K booking that is in terms of probability as uncertain as the 1K one. However, is it more important to construct their business in such a way as to assume a probabilistic outcome from their booking, and considering the number of hobbyist who are time waster, ‘pooper and snooper,’ and so forth, you cannot but understand how they evaluate the risk involved in their business.

We never or rarely on this board heard the other perspective. I tried to offer that ‘other perspective’ with the help of some numbers and some statistical inference.

I always recall Eddie telling me all the stories about cancellation told from the hobbyist perspective. We often laughed our ass off considering that the other side has a much risky position, since cancellations result in negative worth, not in time wasting, which of course as a cost, but that cost is very tiny compared to the costs involved in touring (e.g. booking, hotels, expenses related with staying, make-up services, and so forth). However, us hobbyist cannot resist the temptation of bragging about cancellations as if they were the end of the world.

Is not a random event that certain hobbyists rarely get a cancellation after requesting a booking: All in all, there is nothing more important than ‘reputation’ when booking porn stars. It is that ‘reputation’ that many hobbyist lack. But nobody talk about that…

WB

BenjaminWalter 1092 reads
posted
8 / 12
chunks14 86 Reviews 977 reads
posted
9 / 12

I'm sure it does and I appoligize for the reviewers that have canceled on you and your girls in the past.  However, I am a gentleman and a man of my word and have never and will never do that.  Thus, I deserve better and I hope that's considered in the future when I book appointments in the future.  Thank you for your time.

macdaddy1944 51 Reviews 1031 reads
posted
10 / 12

WB is right on..a good reputation will rarely if ever get you a cancelation..

mrfrench 908 reads
posted
11 / 12

Posted By: HelpUbookher
It happens to Agencies all the time as well....Guys say they want a date...schedule it and then the day of..or sometimes just a few hrs before they contact us and cancel.
It happens on both sides of the fences.
Never said it didn't.  I know it does.

I personally only did it once and I had a really good excuse: I ended up in the hospital and couldn't make the date and wasn't able to phone to cancel until two or three days later.  The agency was very understanding.

RustyBingham 29 Reviews 1085 reads
posted
12 / 12

Lets say you book a great well known porn star at 1k per hour. And hours before you are about to leave you get an email from another well known porn star that offers you $400/hr..And she tells you the offer only stands for today (obviously because some bill is due).

99% of the guys would make up some excuse not to see the 1k/hr girl.


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