"New cases this week drove the state's total above 75,000, surpassing China's Hubei province, where the virus emerged in December. The grim milestone was recorded as Gov. Andrew Cuomo, a Democrat, acknowledged having underestimated how overwhelming the situation would become. "It's more dangerous than we expected," he said."

He's not responsible, but does he even know what's going on?? Watch one of his briefing...that's tell you that he's lost.

The point is this thing caught virtually everyone off guard. Our Gov, our dopey mayor, virtually every major player in the world, etc.

 
BUT you guys ONLY want to Blame Trump. Thats why I appreciate what Cuomo said. He is telling everyone it isn't all Trump, fault by his own admittance. He has some blame too.

 
This reminds me of Katrina, when all the libs RUSHED to blame Bush, only to find out later that the NO mayor and LA Gov made critical mistakes and weren't properly prepared as well.

Yes we all knew that this was going to unpredictable. It's hard to get everyone on the same page...Cuomo recognized the problem early and yes Cuomo did underestimated it, everyone did.  
But underestimated it is at least recognizing that there is a problem. Till Mid- March trump finally acknowledge that there is a problem. trump was lost on this...and probably still is.  
Remember Feb 26?, it was a democrat HOAX at his really in SC. That still resonates to his base.
Your thread seems like a "Gotcha" thread...to exonerate trump....sorry Charlie. like 9/11 happened on Bush's watch. Covid 19 is on trump...it's on his watch
Jack, you really have to wake up, trump isn't equipped to handle this. We're stuck with this train wreck for now.

As I have reiterated many times on this board, hindsight is very easy and finger pointing goes along with it. Have you forgotten that both Biden and Pelosi berated Trump when he restricted air travel for Chinese nationals coming into this country? And that was in January . Perhaps you would feel comfortable with New York City’s Mayor Bill de Blasio running the show? In early March he downplayed the threat of the virus and of course he has now completed the biggest flip flop imaginable as his city has become a cesspool for the virus.  
So who out there in your opinion is equipped to handle this “train wreck”? Any names? Or are you just content to sit back and take pot shots, constantly second guessing? It’s easy to talk the talk, but much more difficult to walk the walk.

Laffy, my bet was that you would have said St. Obama. LOL!

was rely on the Federal Government for guidance and help in the face of an imminent and disastrous pandemic coming our way.  Dumbass Donnie downplayed the whole crisis because he knew he couldn't handle it and he would look really bad.  So instead of doing anything remotely presidential, he started talking about himself where he now has daily Trump pity parties that nobody else is apparently bothering to show up at.  Except Mr Pillow brain.  Even Trump was aghast at that presentation, further evidencing his complete ignorance of what is actually going on in the world.

I think Cuomo was a little slow in coming to a conclusion that he had come to countless times before:  Trump is a total moron and as the man supposedly in charge has somehow managed to make the federal government completely useless.  Except apparently as a very shallow piggy bank for us guys and a bail out for corporate America.  Lets spend money we don't have has literally always been Trump's entire financial life.

I know it was passed as bipartisan but the democrats had to fight very hard and got a modest victory  to increase the bribe to the little guy, but what the actual fuck were they supposed to do at that point?  The ship is bringing on water and politics are less important when everybody is frantically trying to bail out the ship that the clueless captain had just run up onto the rocks.

As with Cuomo, you all Trumpers ought to be feeling very stupid about now, unless you are truly stupid.

Let's round up the usual suspects for their comments.  It will be rich.

is BS.
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There were CDC warnings about the Wuhan epidemic on Jan 7 and Jan 8. Azar tried to get to see Trump to discuss the matter with Trump in early January. Trump would not meet with Azar for two weeks ... because no one is allowed to meet with POTUS if they want to discuss anything that will anger or upset him. Mulvaney as Chief of Staff made sure of it.
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When Azar finally got through to Trump in January and tried to update Trump on the looming pandemic, Trump asked Azar about the e-cigs instead. (The FDA announced a ban on fruit flavored e-cigs in January but there was industry push-back. It was on Fox News ... which explains a lot.)  
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/us-intelligence-reports-from-january-and-february-warned-about-a-likely-pandemic/2020/03/20/299d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html
U.S. intelligence reports from January and February warned about a likely pandemic
"U.S. intelligence agencies were issuing ominous, ****classified warnings**** in January and February about the global danger posed by the coronavirus while President Trump and lawmakers played down the threat and failed to take action that might have slowed the spread of the pathogen, according to U.S. officials familiar with spy agency reporting. ... “Donald Trump may not have been expecting this, but a lot of other people in the government were — they just couldn’t get him to do anything about it,” this official said. “The system was blinking red.” ..."
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"Azar couldn’t get through to Trump to speak with him about the virus until Jan. 18, according to two senior administration officials. When he reached Trump by phone, the president interjected to ask about vaping and when flavored vaping products would be back on the market, the senior administration officials said."
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****CLASSIFIED WARNINGS**** - Cuomo and others did not have access to crucial information denied to them by Trump's denials and inaction.  Some, not all, Congressional committees got the ***classified warnings*** and then proceeded to make public statements that all was well while secretly selling off their stock investments to cash in before the big drop kicked in.

But off the top of my head, how about Ex-Chief of staff John Kelly?.But he would have shown up trump so that's a no I guess. But instead we got stuck with Pence, Jared, Azar and I'm sure there's a few more but I lost count.  
And now my guess is that he's planning on blaming the states as not doing enough to secure the needed supplies...watch this will happen.The buck will never stop with this "train wreck".  
If your happy or comfortable with the way it's going now, ok.

At least he was warning FOR MONTHS that we were at risk for a catastrophic pandemic. No one listened, especially Trump.

And did you catch him saying "Hillary is smart"??????? OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Yeah, I guess its REAL smart NOT to campaign in Wisconsin! She's fucking brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The liberals would have had a point had Western Europe handled this well and we did not. The truth is much closer to the opposite. While it certainly is an enormous problem here, it is MUCH worse there, in virtually every country, using several metrics.

 
Have you seen the French numbers? We are now FIVE times better than they are with deaths per 1 mil and their death rate has skyrocketed to OVER TEN PERCENT.  

 
This event was bigger than any government or any person. As you are seeing, this is ALL politics from the libs here and NO acknowledgement whatsoever that Trump has done anything well.

Tell me how many he purchased when he was told that. Get back to me when you can Imp.

I'm not saying that everything Donnie has done has been perfect, but to claim that he's been the only one struggling with this crisis is just political rhetoric. So many posters on this board hate him so much that they can't focus on the facts of how overwhelming this issue is, not only nationally but worldwide.  In hindsight (oops I can't use that word - Laffy gets upset when I do, so strike it). So, in retrospect the only thing that could have been done here that would probably had a real effect would have been for Trump to completely lock down the country and seal all entry into the US. I can only imagine what the Dems would done with that -  probably moved for another impeachment on the grounds of abuse of power. Has it been so soon forgotten that when Trump restricted Chinese nationals from entering the US back in JANUARY, he was publicly criticized by both Pelosi and Biden, with Biden calling him xenophobic and fear mongering. Somehow the libs gloss over those statements and pretend they never exist. Maybe Donnie isn't the best one out there, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to see Joe, Nancy or Bernie in charge.

You ask me to name someone, he's no bueno??
And that travel restriction (1/31) was too late, sorry but there was travel between China and world with coronavirus carriers who were asymptomatic way before that travel restriction. True in that we can't control what goes on with travel. But let's not pad ourselves on the back with this travel ban. The horse was outa the barn.

Can you give Trump ANY credit now?

Trump made a stupid ,idiotic statement  when Trump said the following referring to joe biden  

"I always found him to be a nice guy. "

 
You're Welcome
2020 = Trump Re-election

I would have no problem with John Kelly or someone like him. Unfortunately he’s not a true political figure. My post was referenced towards existing political leaders . Sorry to have mislead you with regard to that.

It made a difference, ok but still too late..first case in USA was on 1/20...do you think this person was the ONLY one???
Sorry Jack. Like I said...the horse was outa the barn by then.  
Still a train wrack.

You want someone who could lead and direct. This isn't a popularity contest here.
Well then how about Ash Carter? Forget that he was an Obama guy....
C'mon work with me....lol

So tell me what date was the right one please since Trump was "too late."

So this is your defense?  

 
Trump ignored warning and warning after warning and also fired the pandemic response team he inherited for just such an emergency.  But because other countries in Western Europe dropped the ball, that makes everything else okay.

 
That's seriously your argument?  Even though the pacific rim countries handled this well, those guys in Western Europe fucked up too.  That is really your excuse for our government's response?  

This is such a ridiculous argument.  Because other countries are fucking up, that totally excuses the bungling going on over here.

 
Guess what...the majority of the countries in the Pacific Rim are doing just fine.  They learned their lessons from SARS and MERS and instantly instituted aggressive testing, contract tracing, and quarantining while at the same time expanding their health care capacities.  

 
And what is so laughably pathetic about this all is, the United States had a 3 or 4 week head start and all they had to do is copy what those countries did and we would be orders of magnitude in better shape today.  It is so funny that all DJT had to do to look like a hero is do what he probably did in middle school to get through class, copy off the Asian kids.

If everyone is "fucking up" that goes to show this black swan event was BIGGER than virtually any person or government.

 
Incredible you cant figure this out. You argument would only make sense if the U.S. fucked up and most other nations did NOT.

 
It's called fairness. Something your TDS brain would know NOTHING about.

Why do you continue to ignore the fact that plenty of countries have had far more effective responses to this?  South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and Hong Kong.  Look them up.  

 
And no...I don't have TDS.  I haven't commented on anything other than this miserable response to a public heath catastrophe.  

Don't loose your cool here...we're having fun here don't get pissed, SHIT....Between you and Gag you guys are acting like grumpy OLD men...and fuck I'm probably older then you guys. So chill the fuck up.
Dam you guys are wound way tooooo tight

This was hardly a Black Swan event: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/blackswan.asp  
"A black swan is an unpredictable event that is beyond what is normally expected of a situation and has potentially severe consequences. Black swan events are characterized by their extreme rarity, their severe impact, and the widespread insistence they were obvious in hindsight."  
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The financial meltdown in 2007-2008 was forecast by a handful of independent traders. Major institutions (World Bank, private banks, The Fed, etc.) with a lot of clout in government and the private sector did not see it coming.  
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MANY REPUTABLE, CREDIBLE, MAJOR Government AND Non-Government Health Organizations saw the destruction that a coming and inevitable PANDEMIC would cause. One study from ~2016 predicted the global impact of a "model" pandemic would be more than $3 trillion. That argument was meant to imply that the expenditure of $50 B or $100 B or even $500 B in preparation for such a catastrophe and to keep it under control would be money well spent.  
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Also from http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/blackswan.asp :
"* A black swan is an extremely rare event with severe consequences. It cannot be predicted beforehand, though many claim it should be predictable after the fact.
* Black swan events can cause catastrophic damage to an economy, and because they cannot be predicted, CAN ONLY BE PREPARED FOR BY BUILDING ROBUST SYSTEMS.  
* Reliance on standard forecasting tools can both fail to predict and potentially increase vulnerability to black swans by propagating risk and offering false security."
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Will "The Coming Plague" and dozens of other reports and studies be cited as "hindsight" (a feature of Black Swans)?  Is the COVID-19 pandemic a Black Swan or not? Large numbers of health professionals will say no. But that debate will go on and on.  

It's just that on 1/31...it was too late. People from all over the world were going in and out of China in the month of Jan. You need to understand that Chinese New year was on the 1/25. The country basically is on Vacation for 2 plus weeks. Workers go back to their jobs on Mid Feb, sometimes they don't come back till late Feb. Families leave China for vacation.
During the month of Jan, companies from all over the world needed to get the status of their goods as to when they were going to ship. Companies had their QC Inspectors,Production Mgr, you name it, to push the companies. Most companies wanted their goods out before the new year so they sent their reps. If not, the good won't ship till late Feb/March
In my business sector, companies had the Magic Show in Vegas on the 9th of Feb, So samples had to be completed and shipped before 1/23. And there were many companies who had their Reps there in China during that time, from all over the world to get the goods out
1/31 to me was just a date, really didn't mean a whole lot to me...it may have slowed the process of the virus, but the virus was already all over the world and here spreading so...1/31..Meh
I hope you got this.......And I know my industry wasn't the only one pushing to get their goods out of China....This happens every year.

word salad aka bullshit and you did not answer the question.

"A black swan is an unpredictable event that is beyond what is normally expected of a situation and has potentially severe consequences.

 
Even Fauci couldn't predict it as late as March 1st and said it would NOT be severe in the U.S. as he told us to take NO precautionary measures and just live our lives as normal.  

 
Dunce cap for you. AGAIN.