No one has ever won in Afghanistan, ever. All that is happen is to come with PR bullshit, tuck your tails and the hell out.

Pakistan will never cooperate with the US, there will base camps in NWFP, ISI will push Taleban into Afghanistan and the story will continue, why?

If you know little bit of history, you will NWFP never wanted to be part of Pakistan. Afghanistan still claims parts of NWFP with Pashtun majority as theirs and the people living there believes they are Afghani. Besides, the so called Durant line between Afghanistan and Pakistan is created by the British Empire after fighting and losing war Afghanistan thirteen times. NWFP originally belonged to Afghanistan. Pakistan had zero control there for the last 63 years

Pakistan is mercenary state, if they really take on Taliban and rid of them, they loose $18 billion in US Tax payer money paid to them for transit rights, services provided and use of their territory for war against terrorism.

Yep, we will pull out troops in July 2011 and all will be same again.

a jarhead! Fists are going to fly. But, one marine can call another marine jarhead and it's a term connoting camaraderie. Much of what benlanger says is true, and it's been said by others on this board, but since s/he is not "one of us," what she says is attacked with much vehemence.

P.S. I could have used a different analogy instead of jarhead, but I didn't want to highjack this thread by turning it to a racist diatribe.