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LostSon 43 Reviews 1012 reads
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Soooo lefties on this board routinely blame Trump for every COVID death that ever happened.  Ok so here's my question?  and I am even going to give you all the benefits of hindsight how would you have done things differntly? Convince me that you could have done better than Trump?  

Your argument has to be cogent and the plan workable.

Let's hear it Monday morning quarterbacks? How would you have done it differently?

inicky46 61 Reviews 97 reads
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2 / 33

1) When I found out (as Trump did) in Feb. 2020 that Covid was mainly airborne and FAR more deadly than the flu I would have warned Americans, told them to wear masks, worn one myself, mobilized US industries to make more masks and other PPE.
2) I'd have mandated people maintain social distancing and urge them to listen to the CDC re indoor gatherings, etc.
3) Unlike Trump I would NOT have told Americans Covid would be gone in a few weeks.
There, that was easy. I just saving thousands of lives.

LostSon 43 Reviews 55 reads
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3 / 33

got a plan of action to save everyone? This is like a science fiction movie with a time machine you get to do a do-over.

LostSon 43 Reviews 22 reads
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Posted By: Laffy
Re: Yeah.....this is super easy
And Laffy can't follow simple directions. Look this is about how you would have done it. If you can't post that? Then don't post!

KCMOSHYGUY 11 Reviews 15 reads
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5 / 33

is the one thing that Stump wasn't able to do; immediately put into action the Obama pandemic protocol playbook that was given to the Stump administration as part of their transitions.  Stump couldn't implement it because since it had Obama's name attached to it, he tossed it out almost immediately after taking office.  That plan would've included all the common sense measures previously mentioned, which would've put a big dent in COVID's potential impact on the country.

RespectfulRobert 34 reads
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6 / 33

I wont blame Trump for EVERY death, but he is certainly at fault for many of them. Him telling us Covid was no big deal, at the same time telling Bob Woodward it was a serious and deadly disease, was the height of incompetence and malfeasance.

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 54 reads
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7 / 33

Which protected us from potential viruses.It gave us early detection. When trump closed that down, we lost our seat at the table and left us vulnerable. Hugh mistake.
Now, Lost what would you have done? Pretend it's no big deal or??? Sing "Ob-la-di, ob-la-da Life goes on"?

LostSon 43 Reviews 18 reads
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8 / 33

Posted By: Laffy
Re: Huh?
God damn....just how much bleach did you mix with the de-worming paste and fish tank cleaner before eating it?  
   
   
 That is exactly how I would have done it, you stupid fuck.  
   
   
 Take your "orders" and ram them up your ass.....if you have any room left with the tanning bulbs and gerbils in there.
Willy is right you're just a much worse version of trump. You can't for 5 seconds divorce yourself from your own narcissism, can you?  

Laffy is disqualified

LostSon 43 Reviews 34 reads
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9 / 33

Everyone says that some form of lockdown / travel restrictions should have come sooner yes?

Are we all in agreement there?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 31 reads
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10 / 33

Asked the lefties what THEY would have done differently, and to make their argument coherent.  Instead, they all said what Trump did wrong instead of what they would have done differently.  It shows that you can't even get an honest answer from lefties who are stricken with TDS.  

Hpygolky 233 Reviews 40 reads
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11 / 33

In Wuhan China, if trump didn't fuck up sooooo bad....
Now, I know you and all of us are not physician-scientist,epidemiologist or immunologist. We don't know the logistic of what the federal gov can do or can't. So in essence your thread is just you showing your frustration and how everyone dumps on trumps. Yes we are picking on your guy because the buck stopped with him. I don't know what I would have done as I/ we don't have all the data to say what we could have done...
But what would you have done? Don't run and hide so give us your take...

jazzman121847 111 Reviews 21 reads
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12 / 33

Like you're the one doing the bitching since you felt you needed to mention the word "bitch" 16 times.  

 
The question was "what would you have done differently?" and Laffy responded appropriately.  Because you don't like his answer doesn't make it bitching. Because he pointed out trump's many COVID response failures doesn't make it bitching - it makes it history. Trump was not only responsible for the nation's failed COVID response but he placed himself, and his reelection self-interest, at center stage and made it all about him. Trump won't accept responsibility and you won't hold him accountable. That's pathetic.

jazzman121847 111 Reviews 21 reads
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13 / 33

You weren't bitching ( noun ) but you did post a bitching ( adjective) answer.

jazzman121847 111 Reviews 34 reads
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14 / 33

Saying what trump did wrong is another way to say what you would have done differently.  Your TDS    ( your mindless, unwavering devotion to this unqualified, unfit, lying demagogue, your inability to critically evaluate his words and actions, and your hate for those of us who are not part of your cult ) is obvious.  

jazzman121847 111 Reviews 24 reads
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15 / 33

Would have helped and made a difference. It wasn't too late it was just beginning.  Your inability to see that is disturbing. What is your obsession with 'doubling down' on all things Trump? It's a mental illness in and of itself.  It's your TDS I suppose.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 17 reads
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16 / 33

Cuomo was telling New Yorkers to go out and party at clubs and they don't need no stinkin' masks.  Pelosi was in Chinatown in SF telling people to come on down, you don't need a mask.  I agree telling the truth from the start would have helped, but that includes the Dems, too.

jazzman121847 111 Reviews 25 reads
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17 / 33

That was very early on in the pandemic and may have been influenced by medical providers not having enough masks. Shortly after Fauci recommended general public masking to prevent the spread of the virus. The situation changes and medical knowledge evolves. Why do you have such a hard time with that simple truth? We have covered this subject many times in the past yet you continue to bring it up. Grow up. Smarten up. Or STFU.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 22 reads
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18 / 33

AT the WH with Trump in the early days telling people to wear a mask and socially distance.  At that point, he was Trump's spokes-hole on all things Covid.  (We found out recently that he was in on the research in Wuhan to weaponize the virus, so he knew more than he let on.)  That's the same time frame that Cuomo and Pelosi were telling people you don't need a mask, and you should go to restaurants, go to bars, etc., to keep the economy going.

jazzman121847 111 Reviews 20 reads
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19 / 33

Wasn't in on the research in Wuhan to weaponize the virus. Another one of your many conspiracy theory fairy tails that you love to repeat ad nauseam.

impposter 49 Reviews 31 reads
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20 / 33

SOURCE?

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
We found out recently that he was in on the research in Wuhan to weaponize the virus, so he knew more than he let on.
SOURCE? Link? There is no legitimate source. QAnon, twitter screeds, and bathroom stall graffiti are NOT a legitimate sources.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 32 reads
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21 / 33

It means engineering the virus to make it more deadly, and Fauci knew the Chinese were conducting this research and it was funded by his Department.  Congress already has his emails that show he was aware of the research, which he denied in Congress.  GOP Congressman have referred him to the Justice Department for lying to Congress.

LostSon 43 Reviews 39 reads
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22 / 33

Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: This is how I would have done things differently…
As soon as I heard about Covid l, I would have cut off all international travel to the USA. We now know this wouldn’t have stopped anything, but it would have been the smart thing to do. Of course, Democrats called this racist and Pelosi told people to go eat in Chinatown while she was busy impeaching Trump over a phone call.
Can You give me a date at which you would have cut off international travel? Also how restrictive would you have been?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 16 reads
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23 / 33

got a little bitch-love of your own going on.  Lol

LostSon 43 Reviews 30 reads
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24 / 33

Posted By: inicky46
Re: Oh, that's easy.
1) When I found out (as Trump did) in Feb. 2020 that Covid was mainly airborne and FAR more deadly than the flu I would have warned Americans, told them to wear masks, worn one myself, mobilized US industries to make more masks and other PPE.  
 2) I'd have mandated people maintain social distancing and urge them to listen to the CDC re indoor gatherings, etc.  
 3) Unlike Trump I would NOT have told Americans Covid would be gone in a few weeks.  
 There, that was easy. I just saving thousands of lives.
Ok were pegging Inickys response to begin in February, any particular day? Also the distance for social distancing what would you have chosen and based on what?

As for telling the public at large that this was going to be bad? When would you have started this and how would you have handled the press that was at the time telling everyone that this was nothing and you're being racist and alarmist for saying that COVID was even remotely a thing.

LostSon 43 Reviews 19 reads
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Posted By: KCMOSHYGUY
Re: The very first thing that I would've done...
is the one thing that Stump wasn't able to do; immediately put into action the Obama pandemic protocol playbook that was given to the Stump administration as part of their transitions.  Stump couldn't implement it because since it had Obama's name attached to it, he tossed it out almost immediately after taking office.  That plan would've included all the common sense measures previously mentioned, which would've put a big dent in COVID's potential impact on the country.
I haven't read this yet I will and added it into the discussion.

LostSon 43 Reviews 19 reads
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26 / 33

Posted By: Laffy
Re: Says the guy
who sucked the cock of the guy who cried UNFAIR!!!!!!!! more than all 5 year olds put together......and who STILL cries, "The election was rigged!!!!" non-fucking stop................  
   
   
 All your Messiah DOES is bitch.....and it's one of the main reasons you freaks worship him:  You're all a bunch of victim crybabies.
Stop posting your input in this thread is done!

LostSon 43 Reviews 36 reads
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Posted By: RespectfulRobert
Re: Don't you feel him lying to us caused untold deaths?
I wont blame Trump for EVERY death, but he is certainly at fault for many of them. Him telling us Covid was no big deal, at the same time telling Bob Woodward it was a serious and deadly disease, was the height of incompetence and malfeasance.
The Press was telling us COVID was not big deal in the beginning and calling anyone trying to raise the alarm Racist and fear mongrers. I honestly feel Trump was trying to tamp down panic. This country is not prepared for most disasters.  Heck just look at the Toilet Paper and food hoarding that went on.

LostSon 43 Reviews 40 reads
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28 / 33

Looking for anyone else's input as to how they would have stopped Coronavirus?

LostSon 43 Reviews 44 reads
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29 / 33

Here's what I would have done;

1. Remember Hindsight, I would have stopped Fauci from pursuing bat coronavirus research done in China paid for by the US government.  END of problem.

Now for everyone whos going to cry that's too simplistic, let's discuss how the virus got into the country and spread.

This article explains how patient zero did EVERYTHING right, the medical response was beyond exemplary. They put the guy in an isolation unit designed to hold EBOLA patients and the contact traced 60 people he had come in contact with and none of them came down with it.  Then cases began to show up in Nursing homes in the Seattle area.  Next came the infamous end of year Ski Association meeting in Sun Valley Idaho. Turns out a couple of the Nursing home workers infected with covid traveled to Sunvalley to attend a wedding. The wedding was co-located in the same venue as the ski association party Djed by DJ Jassy Jeff no less.  So the two groups intermingled and spread covid far and wide. THEN the next day the ski association members went how to almost every state in the union and we were fucked.  

The takeaway from this is nothing we were going to do was going to stem the spread of covid. You can yell masks and lockdowns all you want but the truth is these measures went into effect across most of the county and did not stop the spread. So the assertions that an earlier lockdown would have SAVED LIVES... yeah not happening. The train wreck was coming and there was no stoping it.

impposter 49 Reviews 56 reads
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30 / 33

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1209646.shtml
Italy potentially had COVID-19 outbreak 'earlier than Wuhan', study shows
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"There is a series of evidence on coronavirus being found in Italy before December 2019, including the latest regarding a 4-year-old boy found to have contracted the virus in November 2019, which some experts believe indicates that a COVID-19 outbreak occurred in Italy earlier than in China's Wuhan, which recorded the earliest COVID-19 symptoms from a patient  on December 8, 2019 and has since been labeled as the origin of the virus by some Western countries. ..."
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The samples and swabs taken from patients with an unusual respiratory disease in Italy in Nov - Dec 2019 were only confirmed to be Covid-19 months later, after the genetic tests became available.  
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Trump's China travel ban was too little, too late. As implemented, it was totally porous with many exceptions to allow entry. Over 40,000 people entered the US from China in the early days of the travel "ban".  Experts who knew about the Milan, Italy outbreak had recommended shutting down entry from Europe but Trump didn't want to piss off non-Chinese countries.   Trump eventually banned some EU travel weeks later, once again, too little, too late, with a lot of porosity for thousands of travelers coming to the US.
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The thing is, Trump received security briefs in January about the extraordinary danger of Covid-19. As he explained to Woodward, he downplayed it because he didn't want to cause a panic.  
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-told-bob-woodward-he-knew-february-covid-19-was-n1239658
"Woodward details that Trump was briefed on the virus in January.  "This is deadly stuff," Trump told Woodward in a Feb. 7 phone call.  “You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump told Woodward, according to The Post. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.”
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"The book says Trump was given dire warnings in January about the virus that would lead to a worldwide pandemic in March."

Posted By: LostSon
let's discuss how the virus got into the country and spread.  
   
 This article explains how patient zero did EVERYTHING right, the medical response was beyond exemplary. They put the guy in an isolation unit designed to hold EBOLA patients and the contact traced 60 people he had come in contact with and none of them came down with it.  Then cases began to show up in Nursing homes in the Seattle area. ...
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The travel bans, as implemented, were symbolic only. They were both (China; EU) too little (too porous), too late (infected travelers had probably already been entering the US from China and EU).  
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Trump "not wanting to cause a panic" is a ridiculous defense as fear-mongering is his stock in trade. Muslim terrorists! Violent immigrants! MS-13! Drugs! Biden will destroy the suburbs! They'll take your guns! Only I can fix it! Only I can fix it! ... Years earlier, Trump bought full page newspaper ads calling for The death penalty for the Central Park 5 ... who were subsequently exonerated.  
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"I didn't want to cause a panic." is a heaping pile of shit.

KCMOSHYGUY 11 Reviews 57 reads
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in reality, a panic is what really needed to happen.  I'm referring to a "controlled panic", where a normal POTUS would calmly inform the nation of the issue, provide constant information on its progress, & give guidance (via scientists & medical professionals) on protective & preventive measures that should be implemented.  People would've been more on board with protecting themselves & others.  The problem was Stump refused to inform the country on the urgency of COVID & what it might do if nothing was done.  He also chose to put a gag order on the scientific & medical communities, instead choosing to advocate instead for Lysol IVs & tanning bulb suppositories.  The results of those decisions speak for themselves.

impposter 49 Reviews 41 reads
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There was no claim that Covid originated in Italy. The evidence is that Covid had already appeared (spread to) Italy in Nov 2019.

Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: Chinese propaganda.
China desperately wishes Covid got started somewhere else. But it’s bullshit. Our intelligence agencies found Wuhan lab workers getting sick and getting put in the hospital back in September of 2019. Mind you, China got caught bribing several media outlets to publish Chinese propaganda, including The NY Times.
Source? Link to stories about cases in China in Sep 2019?  There were unusual respiratory diseases of unknown origin. The Dec 2019 case led to the identification of the SARS-CoV2 virus.  Or are you saying that China knew about SARS-CoV2 in Sep?  (The Nov-Dec cases in Italy could only be confirmed to have been SARS-CoV2 AFTER genetic tests became available.) SOURCE? LINK?

impposter 49 Reviews 43 reads
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Your link to Fox "News" (below) does not support what you are saying here.  
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The earliest case mentioned in the article is in November 2019, not Sep and not Oct:
"The U.S. State Department on Friday night said it had "reason to believe" scientists in Wuhan, China, may have been infected with the coronavirus in the autumn of 2019 ..." Nov is still autumn. "In March, the South China Morning Post said that the first person infected with the disease may have caught it on Nov. 17, 2019. ..." Nov 17 is from China sources, not the US State Dept.
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"In a statement, the agency indicated it thinks several researchers inside the Wuhan Institute of Virology had symptoms consistent with COVID-19 and ****other seasonal illnesses.**** ..."  Without testing, we don't know what diseases they had in Sep, Oct, Nov.  China probably did testing of samples from Sep, Oct, Nov months later but they aren't telling anybody what the tests revealed.
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"China has firmly rejected calls for an independent outside investigation." China should relent and allow a free and independent investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV2.

Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: Ah.
China has said that Covid originated elsewhere. They even claimed it came from the US military.  
   
On Covid in September, the US State Dept. released a memo saying that Wuhan lab workers had been sick and hospitalized by something that exhibited Covid like symptoms. We found this out through our intelligence agencies and they didn’t want to reveal their methods for finding this out for obvious reasons. I’ve seen a lecture from a virologist that mentions this. Let me see if I can track it down for you.

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