Fucking asshole!

 
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The headline SHOULD read

 
"Idiot parent brings two year old to the site of a possible riot"  

 

"CPS called to investigate child endangerment"

 
What kind of idiot brings a two year old the front lines of a possible riot?

The man and his child are  closer to the camera where the cop is out of focus further in background and really a lot more to the right aiming his gun far into the distance. The photographer is misleading as hell and anybody that knows anything about photography is laughing at the caption near to the child.

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NOT common sense.  Know anything about police procedure.  If that guy is unarmed, first rule is proportionality.  Second rule is, if not in imminent or perceived imminent danger, never draw your weapon.  Third is, NEVER point a weapon anywhere near the vicinity of an innocent bystander (this child).  Better to err on the side of caution and restraing.

 
Any Joe blow, on the street would know as much.  After his superiors review this footage, you can bet 100% this cop will get a thorough "debriefing" of his actions.

GaGa, no matter, there is absolutely no reason for the officer's weapon to be "drawn."  Of course, we do not know the entire story, and we were NOT there.  BUT, I can see a number of reasons why to officer was in the wrong.

about logic and common sense, knows you never even remotely, put a child in danger like this.  Any number of things can go wrong.  Even Stevie Wonder could see that.

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Not to mention the "weapon" pictured is not a "firearm" AND of course the misleading camera angle. You would think a bunch of mongers who look at fake pics wouldn't be fooled quite so easily, unless of course they "want" to be fooled because it goes along with their own preconceived narrative that "cops are bad"

 
Back to the much more important point, What parent in his right mind brings his two year old daughter to the scene of a riot?

of ALL the facts.  BUT, the weapon should have NEVER been drawn.  What did that officer think, this was a rodeo and he was going to shoot all the bottles out of the air.  There are other actions he could have resorted to, sorry.  His instincts were way off.

 
Maybe he is an honest cop, but a rookie who needs more training.   Or maybe he is one of the "bad" cops.  We will never know.

As for whether or not the weapon should be drawn, that is impossible to know from just that picture.

Its not a video, there is no sound, we don't know what is going on outside of the view of that pic, we dont know what the father did prior. what he was saying, etc etc etc

 
There are tons of info not in evidence so no clue how anyone could say the "draw" was bad, or good ,for that matter.

There’s a good, fairly in depth article in the Long Beach Post about this episode. It’s too lengthy to post here, but. I suggest that if anyone wants to have a better insight as to what went on, just look it up. It includes interviews from the photographer who took the picture.

....is why is there no condemnation of this man’s reckless actions by the “responsible” black leadership. I start to wonder if the only black lives that matter are the ones that can be used by the race hustlers.

...the part of the article where the photog tracked down the father and reported: "At one point during the whole interaction—not the 500th of a second that my shutter was open for—he did have a gun pointed at his face at one point during all this."

 
http://lbpost.com/news/police-point-gun-protester-child-long-beach-fake-real            --  That's not "too lengthy," eh Cenzo?

story, but one thing I can tell you for sure, after I viewed Papasan's link to the story.  That cop really needs to go on a diet.  Bet he could never come close to touching my 5 mile, time, even on a bicycle.

I’ll try to answer you honestly without name calling. I mean the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson types. Please don’t claim you don’t know whom I’m talking about.

here.  Please humor me, just so I can determine whether or not, you are credible.

 
OK, me first; Al Sharpton is a dirt bag and although I have liberal leaning views, Sharpton makes me sick to my stomach.  Jesse Jackson is getting old, clearly has been a civil rights advocate for decades, may have a problem sounding objective at times, but I do NOT think he is a racist.

 
OK, now your turn;  Please tell me what you think about Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh?

 
Thank you, in advance for participating.

Sean Hannity is the ultimate partisan hack, nothing that comes out of his mouth is original, he is a younger, more polished Lou Dobbs. I can normally only bear listening to him for maybe five minutes at a time.

 
Rush Limbaugh is a different animal completely, he helps to shape public opinion he doesn't just parrot the words of others. Is he bombastic? Sure he is. Does he push the envelope sometimes? Sure he does. Does he stand for just about everything you hate? most likely, but he is NOT one dimensional, and I happen to agree with much of what he says, not all of it of course, but quite a bit of it.

 
Back to Jesse Jackson. Jesse Jackson and those like him are the problem not the solution, he has gotten rich by exploiting his own people and he and his kind are as responsible for the lack of progress where it comes to race relations as any bigoted redneck. He is like the slimy chiropractor that doesn't want to actually fix your back, because then he would be out of a job. I almost forgot, Is he a racist? Actually I don't think he is, I think he is an opportunist he will take advantage of anybody at anytime of any color

...he's had a desk job for the last ten years and was forced into going out into the streets with his gut and double chin.  He also looks like he was so rusty that he was panicking.  That's why he raised his weapon.

First, I think that Rush Limbaugh is a total ass. As far as Sean Hannity goes, I place him with Tucker Carlson. Some things they say I believe have value, an awful lot of it is crap. However, these individuals are TV commentators, not politicians per se, speaking at rallies,etc.
OK, and now I have a question. Where were the marches and condemnations following the robbery and stabbing death of 18 year old Tessa Majors by three black teenagers? Do we just say that it was “unfortunate”.
And perhaps even more chilling is the question as to why there is no national outrage by black leaders over the number of innocent blacks killed by black gang members? My point in all of this discussion is that I honestly believe there are a number of politicians who really don’t give a damn about the deaths of these individuals. To me, I see them using these tragedies as a way to expand their political base. That’s my honest opinion, and I understand that we may disagree.

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OK, I was too fucking lazy to provide a link; but I did recommend that everyone should read the entire article. I didn’t just provide snippets trying to emphasize one side of the story. Agree?

I guess he missed this. How convenient:

 
“The picture is real,” Grant said, but it doesn’t show exactly what many assumed it does. In the picture, the officer is not directly pointing his rubber-bullet launcher at the man."

 
See the word "NOT." Does BigPOS know the definition of "NOT."

 
Apparently NOT.

You mean like BigPOS just did?!?!?!

 
BLM would be so proud of him. I hope he asks for a raise.

If you watch the video in the link above, you will notice that the father in question moved closer to the police as they started to fire their rubber bullets. Aside from not bringing his young daughter, when people are firing weapons of any kind would not a responsible father:  
1) take his daughter off his shoulders immediately and put her behind him to keep her from harm  
and  
2) follow that up by quickly move his daughter and him away from the people firing, with him between his daughter and the people firing?

That father is a fucking nut job! What an idiot! He does EXACTLY what you said. He starts walking TOWARD the police when they start shooting rubber bullets!

Her father should  be charged with child abuse!!!

So many liberals are SO fraudulent on race. You wont see any specials on CNN with Don Lemon or GigglingAnderson leading the charge.

 
Imagine how powerful that would be? A black man in Don Lemon, doing a show from Chicago, examining the role many young black males play in gunning down totally innocent people and experts on how to stop the cycle of black on black crime.

 
No, they have no interest. The race hustlers never do. They will spend hundreds of hours looking for rogue, white, racist cops.  

 
THATS the REAL problem in Chicago...and LA...and NY...and Baltimore...and Minnie...and Phily...and...well you get the drill.

reply.  Agree with almost everything you, so articulately stated.  Still believe Limbaugh is racist.

Tessa Majors' murder was clearly a tragedy of epic proportions.  Personally, would love to spend 30 minutes alone with her killers and teach each of them what it is like to experience the most extreme degree of pain possible.  But of course, in a civilized society, that is not possible.

 
What could we do, other than identify her killers and make sure justice is served?  If a black cop killed her, and we had over 400 years of racial injustice served up against whites, then you are correct, there should have been demonstrations, just as we are witnessing today to reverse racism against whites.  But that is NOT the case.  We can not ignore the pattern of racial injustice in our nation and that injustice is directed to people of color.  As sad as Tessa's murder was, it does not fit the over 400 year pattern I described above.

 
Chicago is an entirely different story.  Clearly you are not implying there is no national outrage by black leaders about the terrible state of affairs in Chicago?  Have heard it debated countless times.  All human life is important, but the problems of black on black violence in Chicago, is a result of systemic poverty and not racism.  Chicago gang members are equal opportunity murders and only kill black people because those are the people in their neighborhoods.  If white people lived in those neighborhoods, they would kill white people too.  We should find a way to stamp out poverty, as a matter of fact, many forms of poverty ARE a result of systemic racism.  Both problems plague us and deserve our attention.

 
Even politicians who are decent people, use systemic circumstances to focus on change, only they are capable of effecting (or so they would like all to believe).  No matter their political persuasion, some politicians, lie, cheat, and steal and use tragedies to expand their political base.  Unfortunately, this IS the dirty world of politics.

 
You can bet Donald Trump is an expert at doing exactly that.  Will never forget the way he treated John McCain.  Have countless political differences with John McCain.  But I have nothing but respect for him and the sacrifices he has made for our country.  The most disgusting example of politicians using tragedy to expand their base, to me is the way Trump dishonored himself in his dealings with John McCain.

 
Will leave it at that, as my post is already too long.  Thank you for reply and for being honest.

"Thug cop points his weapon NEAR 2 year old girl sitting on her father's shoulders..." (emphasis added)

 
To lying liar JackSquat, who knows jack squat about reading without moving his lips, the subject line reads:  "The officer is DIRECTLY pointing his rubber-bullet launcher AT the man."

 
Righties - the biggest fucking liars on the face of the Earth.

post that makes one wonder.  You claim not to be racist and then express yourself in a way that hints otherwise.

 
First, your categorization is the FIRST clue; "so many liberals."  You will never see me include something like that in any of my posts.  Try my best (maybe sometimes not as effectively as I may intend) to link the behavior I abhor with the category of misbehavior, NOT one's political leanings, race, or religions beliefs.

 
To me, racial incidents are racial incidents.  Violent crime, no matter one's race, or political leanings, is NOT always racially motivated.

 
Either you mistakenly cite the black on black crime in Chicago as a racial problem, or you are intentionally using one of Trump's diversion tactics.  This could be one reason why our nation has gone down this road of racial injustice for so long and done little to fix the problem.  Let's not run from it.  Let's shine the brightest light on it that we can, even if we must take a look at ourselves as well.

 
Second, have seen you lose your objectivity from beginning to end in numerous posts.  When there IS a racial incident, AND that racial incident involves a rogue white cop, why not call it out for what it is.  To your credit, you DID as much, when Chauvin murdered Floyd.  Good job.  But Jack, this IS a first for you, no deflection, no innuendo, you came right out and denounced this rogue white cop.

 
Jack, you should slow down and try to set your political leanings and emotions to the side, once in a while.  NOBODY loves the cops, more than I.  But I will never hesitate to allow a light to be shined on the entire operation so we can diagnose our problems and fix them.

 
Please allow me to give you a metaphoric example.  My attitude, when pulled over by a policeman is to do WHATEVER he/she asks.  If they want to search my car, please do it, as I have nothing to hide.  You imply you are of that same mind, but whenever an issue comes up that you hold dear, maybe subconsciously, your flinch at the first attempt to peal the onion back and find out more, implying "no that cop is a liberal, he can't search MY car, he will be violating my constitutional rights."  Jack, if you are correct and have nothing to hide.....................

 
The more we talk about this topic, the more I believe we DO have systemic problems in our police forces around our nation.  IMHO these systemic breakdowns could result in allowing bad cops to operate with impunity, inexperienced cops to go down a path they would otherwise choose NOT to go down, and maybe even some good, but naive cops, engage in practices they honestly can not see the implications of.

 
Clearly, while individual police forces may be gathering and analyzing enough data, maybe, that data is not being disseminated.  Publicly, we can not prove there is enough, valid data to come to any systemic conclusions.  If so, Mari did not identify enough of that data in his post, and without adequate data, you jumped right in and concluded, "see, no we do not have any systemic problems in our police forces (sic)."

 
Jack please try to be objective.  Please try to break a situation down into all of its moving parts and address them individually.  The killing of black Americans by other black Americans in our inner cities like Chicago, are NOT racially motivated.  Yes, these incidents are tragic and WE must do better to address them, but by combining these with travesties which ARE purely racial, only serves to divert attention away from an already complex problem.

The black woman in the video I linked yesterday was saying the same thing I have been saying. It doesn't matter that there is a racist component or not. Black on black crime decimated the inner city, not a rogue, white, one off cop here and there.

 
Racially motivated or not, still the same end result. Many liberals, especially the elite ones in our press, simply don't care about the much more worrisome issue of black on black crime.

 
The reason is simple Once. There is no politics to be gained from it and they will be called a racist. I am sure you know this to be true.

 
You tell me. When do you ever see a big march against black on black crime? When does CNN or MSNBC or ABC or NBC ever do a special about it?  Nope, doesn't happen.

 
ALL the energy is finding that rogue cop and exploiting something that so rarely ever happens...THEN suddenly the media cares! Then LeBron James gets upset! Then numerous politicians rush to a mic to feign how outraged they are.

 
But then they do nothing about the problem. They don't blame the people in charge; Liberal Democrats running the cities where all theses problems exits. Everyone goes home and they await the next rogue white cop story...and ignore the inner cities REAL problem.  

 
And the devastation continues for black Americans and that is terribly sad.

 
Re: the numbers we do have, it all points in one direction; NO systemic problem. If you have numbers that say otherwise I guess you would have provided them by now. You list anecdotal evidence only. Not good enough.

 
And like I said, if you dont feel we have enough data, or good enough data, I would suggest calling out the liberals in power for not having such, I mean this problem (data) isn't new right?

 
Liberals have had ages to make change and they haven't. So we have to go by the numbers we do have and our common sense. And all that point people on the right, like myself, and people on the Left, like Mari to the same conclusion on this.

 
And we are both open to any new data you can provide.

 
Good debate! Thanks!

You did not address even one of my points adequately, but continued on your, racist leaning rant.  Sorry, Jack, YOU can NOT see it, and that is probably why it won't change.  All you did was deflect and twist one isolated clip to claim you cared one shred about black on black crime.  Be honest, Jack, you don't, you could care less about it.  You have this notion it will allow you to divert attention from the core issue.  If you can not see that, then Jack, you are less open minded than I thought.

 
IT DOES NOT FALL IN THE SAME CATEGORY, JACK AS THE RACISM WE HAVE EXPERIENCED IN THIS COUNTRY.   RACISM IS CLEARLY MORE PERVASIVE AND DESERVES OUR SOLE FOCUS RIGHT NOW AND HAS FOR QUITE A WHILE.  WHY TRY TO DIVERT ATTENTION AWAY FROM THIS OPEN WOUND THAT NEEDS TO BE TREATED.

 
Please allow me to break down your conflation for you, Jack. Cooking recipes, and auto repair tips, are very useful for a cross section of any American audience.  Have never seen a cooking show share auto repair tips and vice versa.  Both helpful but totally unrelated.  And, Jack, you will NOT see me blame the conservative leaning owners of either media outlet, for NOT including cooking recipes with auto repair tips.

 
Black on black crime, ALL crime, actually is a travesty but NOT endemic of the blatant racial injustice, people of color have experienced for over 400 years.   Stop trying to divert attention away from focusing on and dealing with racism.

 
Nice cool morning, time for a family outing in Central Park.  May be back later.  Please enjoy your weekend.

I am treating you with the utmost in respect. So we have a difference of opinion. I respect yours. Please be more respectful of mine.

 
You seem to want to detach rogue, white, racist crime from the MUCH more devastating black on black crime. Not sure why you are doing so. So you are correct to say they don't fall into the "same category" but we can walk and chew gum around here.

 
The reason why black on black crime wont change is that elite blacks and white liberals, don't have the courage to take it on. They cower from the prospect. You don't see any real push back on that fact. It doesn't help ratings wise or politically.  

 
Look, conservatives are frauds when it comes to debt/deficits. They lie to me. Constantly. So it's not like my side doesn't have its hypocrites. Oh trust me, we do!

 
But the Left does as well. And on the Left, the hypocrisy comes in the form of race, homophobia and misogyny.

 
Liberals TALK a GREAT game on all of those issues, but ONLY when the perpetrator is from the right. But when it comes from the Left, liberals will excuse it, lie about it, ignore it or glorify it.

with your stereotypical innuendo about liberals.  You simply can NOT see it, can you?

 
Am being respectful, Jack, you clearly display many of the traits closet bigots adhere to--constantly expressing themselves in stereotypical terms  Over 400 years of racism, clearly deserves to the the "headliner."  Why divert attention from it to any number of serious problems that plague our nation.  How about homelessness?  How about mistreatment of animals?  They are simply not up there in sheer importance, with racism.  And Jack, black on black crime is not solely a problem of race.  We can and are chewing gum and walking at the same time, but we are NOT conflating one issue with another.

 
Sorry, Jack.  Maybe if you, calm down and read your post again, you will be able to see for yourself.  If not, then there in lies the problem.

B on B crime is not about race. I agree. It's a problem about "care."

 
And far too many liberals just...dont...care.

 
I am sure there are good people in the community doing SOMETHING and my hats off to those folks. Usually they are pastors or neighbors or just good peeps in general.

 
But on the elite level, at the governmental level and the media? No, they don't care. So whether they don't care bc its racism or not, isn't a concern to me for either way, the massive problem just continues.

 
They don care bc they are scared about the pushback i.e. the "RASCIST! charge, or they don't care bc it doesn't help then with ratings or they cant make political hay out of it.

And as you know, MANY on the left think he is a bigot.

so much about black on black crime, what are YOU doing about it?  If you let me know when you plan to organize your next demonstration to eradicate black on black crime, I'll tell you where to meet me and a group of my friends and we can demonstrate in the city to support your cause.

The PC, virtue signaling, white liberals, along with some African Americans, would go after me and my business and call me “racist.”

 
And God forbid if they found out I voted for Trump! If they will loot and burn down a “black owned business”, with that hand made sign clearly in the window, BEGGING for them not to do so, what do you think they would do to a white, Trump supporting, Republican owned business?

 
Sorry to disappoint, but I am not going to die on a hill for people that liberals don’t even care about.

 
What I will do is employ them, pay their wages, supply them with the best healthcare I can, give them vacation, personal days off, sick time, 401 (k)  but no, not going to sacrifice a life’s work, building two successful businesses, to have some violent nut job take it away from me and my employees, many of which are black and depend on me.

 
I am proud that I support African-American hiring. It's not a talking point. Not a bumper sticker. Not a slogan. its my REAL life. And what I do for them is a helluva lot more than any "community organizer" will EVER do for them. But it's not a one way street. They do TONS for me. I wouldn't have what I have in life if it wasn't for them.

 
Most elite Liberals in government and the media, with all their power, won't speak out on the massive and devastating problem of black on black crime, but the fact that you would look to a conservative to fill that void is quite an indictment of those very same liberals!

you posted is true, sounds like you are making contributions to your community, in spite of your incendiary rhetoric that hints quite the opposite.  Regret that same open-minded, altruistic attitude is NOT reflected in the majority of your posts.

 
Again, I truly do not say this with any disrespect, but the way your posts always include some stereotype or another, they simply do not reflect that same, open-minded, altruistic attitude.

 
Sorry, just being honest.  Again, I will never call Trump out for representing the republican party, will only call him out for what he says and does and state the very specific details of his stupidity--no deflection, no conflation, no projection, just specific details.  Check my posts and you will see, that has always been my approach.

And yes, everything is true. The inner city was ALWAYS special to me growing up. I DO care about it. I am SO connected to it. My dad worked there for MANY years and grew to love the people, the culture and they in return loved him.

 
I think I posted that many peeps from the old neighborhood came to my dads funeral.90% were African-American. It meant a lot to us! We still keep in touch. They are in pain right now with all that going on, and I feel for them.

 
Thanks for the kind words, along with some "honesty." All good!