A few of the recent threads brought me back again to an "old" topic....Agency vs "Indie".

More than 1 "hobbiest" indicated that they wouldnt see Lisa via an agency even though they "knew" her and liked her as an indie.

On the flip side more then one indie (including my ATF) seemed a bit perplexed as well.

I understand the latter a bit better then the 1st but dont fully understand the percieved "threat".

As for the 1st...you wont see someone you know and enjoy simply because they chose to affiliate with an agency? That makes no sense to me. Is it specific to AZM or just a general "disgust" with agencies???

Then WHY bring it up all over again?

Why does this seem to be such an important topic to everyone in Phoenix.
I have an idea...it may sound crazy but give it a try.......

GO SEE THE PROVIDER WHO MAKES YOU HAPPY AND PUTS A SMILE ON YOUR FACE EVERYTIME YOU THINK ABOUT HER!!!

I know it sounds crazy... doing something that makes you happy but give it a try.
Call your ATF, indy or agency, tommorrow and go see her. You will feel all that stress of the day leave your body the second you see her in the doorway or you hear your doorbell ring. Give it a shot it can't hurt.

1st I felt like it....but more seriously Lisa is a doll & even those who wont see her since she joined AZM feel that way. So its not a generic thing since its an unknown.....its someone they've seen and like.

Enjoy the ones that enjoy you. Will Lisa get business from this thread? Who knows. I do like the idea that there will be some new pictures of her soon since she is with Mystique.

I don't think it is a "threat" in peoples minds.  There are a variety of reasons folks do not want to visit agencies or indies. To each his own.

It is almost the same as owning your own business (indie) or working for someone else (agency).

I own/owned my own businesses for years & if I wanted to go for an two hour lunch, go boating or what ever else I wanted to do I do not have to worry about what "the boss" (agency) would say as I am "the boss"(indie) !!

I only have used an agency a few times I sure remember that phone ringing just before your hour or two was up as maybe you where still up (agency) !! No phone ringing even if you are 20 mins. past an hour or two (indie)!!

With Lisa's fan club I do not understand why she went to an agency so quickly. Lisa now gives  the normal 40% of every dollar to the agency where Lisa should of hit/milked her fan club members & kept 100% for her "indie" self !!

The "have to have the new girl" is going be  gone in a month or two anyways & that is when Lisa should of made her move to an agency.

Remember "Always book direct unless you HAVE to use an agency" & in Lisa's case I feel that she should of kept booking direct as there was no need for the agency yet !!

Lisa did you fail business 101 ??






















-- Modified on 9/14/2005 1:38:40 AM

Hi JDBY,

Going to be doing a two girl shoot with Brook & Lisa as soon as I can get the two of them together. Now that should be fun for everyone!

-Glen

-- Modified on 9/13/2005 4:36:49 PM

Did that already.....

I'm just amazed that some folks who have seen her as an indie and apparently enjoyed her company as much as I did have come right out and said they'd have to rethink their patronage simply because she decided to change her "Status"...that just seems absurd to me.

on to your ATF...nobody really cares that you have an ATF or least happy you have one....But this horse has to be buried for good...Let everyone make there own mind up...
Lisa is not the only provider here in the Valley!!!

I was wrong.  The agency issue complicated a date we already had scheduled, not agency per se. My concern was it could lessen the personal contact Lisa and I have always had, and might constrict our flexibility.  I've used agencies, and they work just fine.  So, I apologize with this explanation and am sorry.  Dead horse buried for me.

It seems like a few years ago, most of the agencies (e.g., azoutcall, azcollegegirls) were rip-offs.  Some legitimate ones tried to get off the grounds (e.g., devildames), and exactly one DID get off the ground (e.g., TLC).  In any case, it seemed as though at least half of the indies were formerly agency ladies.

Today, there are about a half dozen agencies that now offer a legitimate services, and now I find it ironic that there is such a furur with the recent trend of long-time indies are going agency (British Brooke and Lisa, just in the last month).  Meanwhile, it seems that the ladies who have left the agencies over the last 6 months (with the exception of Robyn) have left the industry altogether - not to go indie.

Are the agencies doing something right that they were not before?  From the discussions I have had, the net take-home may be reduced, but so are the marketing and overhead costs (i.e., having an incall).  In addition, they have the benefit of economies of scale, additional business derived from the ability of the agency to sbustitute on a moment's notice, and flexibile hours.  There also seems to be a branding advantage that is starting to develop.  (Why take your chance on a new indie when you can trust the brand name?)  Most importantly, all the ladies I have seen seem RELATIVELY quite happy with the arrangement and plan to stay as long as they are in the business.

believes there will be an additional fee due to Lisa now being affailiated with an agency..and I would certainly think that there would be verses her old Indy rate.  If there isn't any additional charge verse her old Indy rate...then I would probably wait for the new pictures to be up and then decide.

well for one thing your paying a middleman to setup the session. i dont need a middleman so i have no need for agency.
There are way to many independents in town for me to need to turn to an agency to get a date for an hr or so....

..if you get the two of them together and don't invite me, well I may throw a temper tantrum, stomp my feet... no wait... I'll save that for another thread on agencies versus indies.

Looking forward to the pics. Two beauties like Lisa and Brooke. Bring a heat proof camera.

I may have to snap my carrot before that gig.

When I shot Brook last summer we perfected a nipple stiffening technique that worked so well we ended up trying it out on other parts of her body

Yea, that was not a real productive shoot

-Glen

-- Modified on 9/14/2005 8:51:32 AM

the fee is the same. Basically the trade off for Lisa is less out of pocket cost for hotel and someone else toing the screening booking....so her net goes down a bit...but she frees up 4 hours a day of admin time to use as she see's fit.

Her rate is the same as it was as an Indie....

For taking a moment to reply. After spending time with her I can see why she's a favorite of yours...what a wonderful gal. Thats why I had such a hard time understanding why you (or anyone else) who viewed her as an ATF would choose to move on vs working with her....

When a lady works for herself (indy) she enjoys the benefits (or suffers the consequences) of her own actions, decisions, style, reputation, friendships, enemies, etc. When she works for someone else, she fortunately or perhaps unfortunately, is affected by her Boss's standing in the community on those matters.