I know since I'm also a "product" professionally. We have alot of recent threads that highlight the natural point of conflict that will arise when you have an open forum like we do.

I just purchased a flat panel TV and browsed multiple forums like this one looking at reviews. Some were 1-5 "star ratings" but others actually break down various aspects on a 1-10 basis (picture, connections, interface etc)...just like here. You should see the comments on alot of "high end" boxes....makes this look tame....

I've probably been bashed more than anyone since Danny for just being honest and calling it straight up. I've called out both sides before on all aspects...

Reviewer for blatently upselling an "ATF"

Reviewer for blatently hammering a provider for session related issues that where his "fault"

Provider for pressuring for "good reviews"....
Agency for not "playing Fair" {IMO}
etc........

you'll also see that I'll answer replies on threads and stand up and acknowledge when I feel I was in error.......

Where does all this lead....

1) We can all be nice but the board exists to provide information for HOBBIESTS

2) Providing current ACCURATE information is not a shill...in fact there are almost zero true shills here. Most are posts regarding someone new....go find me a single instance of a poster lobbying for the same gal more than once or twice in a year....

The only real shills here are from the providers themselfs who feel the need to post everytime possbile or encourage the same few losers to constantly peddle touchy feely mush on the BBS...

3) Performance matters most of all....
No such thing as a "good deal" for a bad time...

4) PRICE MATTERS

If I can evaluate both quality and price on a TV I sure can do it here. Bottom line is your (providers) not all worth the same price and i'm sorry if that hurts your feelings....

Your a guest on "MY BOARD" (obviously it's Dingus's board){but its really the "hobbiests board [IMO]} please rtember that and be on your best behavior...

So in closing....on the azhacker "value scale"

MJ, JK, Isabella Amore, Rebecca, Emily, Lisa all pass the grade with flying colors....feel free to openly flame me if you see them and are disappointed in any way....does it mean that others arent equal value....hell no....but their are currently 55 indies on Phoenix 411 alone and they arent all equal...just breaking it down there are "5" at the bottom and "5" at the top....using a forced "star ranking" you have ~ 10 to each star rating....using $350 as a benchmark price it would cost you $18,200 to sample 1 a week for a year....

Thats why this board exists....to help guys like me make tough choices on where to spend OUR money. Trust me if you go look at 55 TV's they aren't all the same price....

This is not ment to be negative or an attack on anyone....I'm just trying to clarify the reality.....because the truth is more and more is going back channel to avoid the BS that has developed here. My goal is to put it back out here where it belongs....Kudo's to JEFF and others for bringing this topic back to the forfront where it belongs.......

It's a fair topic for this forum, and I
appreciate your keeping the comments directed
toward objectivity.  Someone recently posted a
series of search results (if you're not VIP you
didn't see the same results as the rest of us--
same with the following link...sorry), which I
found a fascinating exercise.  I played with it
for hours.  (How nerdy is that?)  

Using Hacker's rule that "performance matters
most of all", you can go to Search Reviews and
produce a list of the best "products" in our
Valley.  You can't sub-sort by price, so you'll
have to do a little clicking on those results to
make your own decision about "value", but I can
tell you that almost all of these ladies are
within $ of each other.

One other point...for that search I told it to
only list providers with 25 or more reviews.  
Statistically speaking, ratings probably become
more and more reliable when they reflect a longer
history of quality, IMO.

http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/newreviewsList.asp?searchreview=1&MP=&SortBy=4&ExcludeBadWebsite=1&ExcludeBadPhone=&TotalReviews1=25&TotalReviews2=&NewProvidersOnly=&OverallLooks1=&OverallLooks2=&OverallPerformance1=&OverallPerformance2=&OverallAverage1=&OverallAverage2=&ServiceType=1&ServiceAddOn=&Price1=&Price2=&Name=&Phone=&City=14&Typeofphoneservice=&location=&Email=&AreaCode=&svcEscort=&Daytime=&svcMassage=&Nighttime=&svcSM=&tAgency=&Incall=&Pornstar=&Outcall=&Sex=&Massage1=&Massage2=&SM=&BlowJob=&CuminMouth=&TouchPussy=&LickPussy=&Kiss=&Anal=&TwoGirlAction=&MorethanoneGuy=&NoRush=&MassageQuality1=&MassageQuality2=&SecondProvider=&MultiplePops=&Rimming=&picsreal=&PicsCurrent=&Build=&tHeight1=&tHeight2=&Age1=&Age2=&HairColor=&HairType=&HairLength1=&HairLength2=&BreastSize1=&BreastSize2=&BreastCup1=&BreastCup2=&BreastImplants=&BreastAppearance=&Piercings=&Tattoos=&Pussy=&Ethnicity=&Transsexual=&Smokes=&deliveredaspromised=&OnTime=&x=34&y=11

Just FYI, if one removes "Phoenix" from the
search criteria, you get a National performance
ranking, and Phoenix has NINE ladies in America's
Top 100!

[Edited to fix word wrap weirdness]

-- Modified on 4/13/2006 12:05:39 PM

that is a true statement that this discussion board and entire site actually is meant to provide hobbiests with reviews and 411 on providers. As long as reviews are provided per the site rules, are not vulgar or offensive, and are accurate and honest (which is up to the moderators of this site to monitor) then it seems like no one should have a right to complain.
To be honest I only use the reviews to determine that the post pics are accurate and get a sense of what services are provided.. other than that I assume everything else fits under YMMV. I have no idea what some other hobbiest's preferences are and maybe he weighs 400lbs and smells like onions and garlic.. so let's not kid ourselves that these reviews are completely objective. And maybe a provider can take something from a bad review and incorporate it into their 'act' so to speak.
Its true that reviews do affect a provider's business but that is life in the big-bad-city and no its not fair..
BTW, I have been lucky to meet some great ladies in Phx so far and I am sure there are many more gems still out there..

Just my two cents,
--pnum3

you should put those 9 up here or elsewhere (unless that would be a TOS violation of some kind).......

Now if we look at the $$$ spread you have anywhere from a 33% to 20% spread ($300-$500 rate) if you go +/-. You'd also have to run it for both the "looks" & "performance" and then combined since we all have different wieghting on what matters most....to some guys looks matter most...others performance and myself (and many others) are a hybrid....

more than the review. Usually I'll find a guy (or guys) whose reviews seem to fit my "style" and use those specific reviews....alot of folks are very issue specific and they skew the whole review around that....as an example if your a bbbjcim guy the gal who does is more likely to be bumped up vs another....if the guy has 20 reviews and you read em all you'll get a feel for him as well as the gals he's seen....helps to sort it all out [for me at least]

a consistant look at the providers performance.  I agree the more reviews a hobbyist has the easier to see what they like or dislike.  Likewise the more reviews the provider has you can see what their level of service is.  I tend to look at the narratives more than the numbers.  A 7 looks and a 9-10 performance mean more to me than a 10 looks and a 7 performance.  Hopefully, OC will post the top 9 from Az from the National rankings.  Party on.

Here are the Phoenix (escort) providers with 25+
reviews who are in the NATIONAL top 100 for
performance scores, with their national placement
noted (I miscounted...there are only 8):

Rank        Name        Avg.Score
----------------------------------
[Tied 14th] Sarah 9.31
[21]        Brooke 9.24
[29]        Tina Pink 9.21
[36]        MadisonJames9.16
[40]        Mya      9.14
[72]        AZ Candy 9
[74]        Terri Kares 8.99
[86]        Taylor Ann Morgan 8.94

For reference:  http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/newreviewsList.asp?searchreview=1&MP=&SortBy=4&ExcludeBadWebsite=1&ExcludeBadPhone=&TotalReviews1=25&TotalReviews2=&NewProvidersOnly=&OverallLooks1=&OverallLooks2=&OverallPerformance1=&OverallPerformance2=&OverallAverage1=&OverallAverage2=&ServiceType=1&ServiceAddOn=&Price1=&Price2=&Name=&Phone=&City=&Typeofphoneservice=&location=&Email=&AreaCode=&svcEscort=&Daytime=&svcMassage=&Nighttime=&svcSM=&tAgency=&Incall=&Pornstar=&Outcall=&Sex=&Massage1=&Massage2=&SM=&BlowJob=&CuminMouth=&TouchPussy=&LickPussy=&Kiss=&Anal=&TwoGirlAction=&MorethanoneGuy=&NoRush=&MassageQuality1=&MassageQuality2=&SecondProvider=&MultiplePops=&Rimming=&picsreal=&PicsCurrent=&Build=&tHeight1=&tHeight2=&Age1=&Age2=&HairColor=&HairType=&HairLength1=&HairLength2=&BreastSize1=&BreastSize2=&BreastCup1=&BreastCup2=&BreastImplants=&BreastAppearance=&Piercings=&Tattoos=&Pussy=&Ethnicity=&Transsexual=&Smokes=&deliveredaspromised=&OnTime=&x=19&y=10

Feel free to run your own iterations of these
searches--I have to get back to work.  And FWIW, I
find it hard to believe, whether you're talking
about a Performance, Looks, or Hybrid score, that
you can go wrong with many of our ladies, but if
you need something to help you decided the order
in which you'll proceed, perhaps these lists are
useful.

I agree with most of what you are saying but have a few points to add.  

This board is not just a hobbyist board but also one for Providers to ALL get along peacfully exchanging information about good and bad experiences. To let hobbyist know about B/S, ROB and the down sides of things.

Performance/ looks at a fair price all come into play.

We all need to do our homework and pick out a lady whose qualities, looks, performance and price match what we are looking for.

Can't we just all get along and have a Rock your world session?  Wheres the Love?

hmmm i know i will probably get flamed for this but reviews may not mean as much as you think they mean. I have been in the valley providing top quality performances for years and i have less than 10 reviews and half of them are for my coppy cats. yes some agencies and fly by night indies have stolen and used my name both the first and last auriana and love. had a few reviews for the anal queens and 400 pound girls the agencies were sending out under my name auriana love. realy it just comes down to the fact that i dont hassle guys to write reviews or even encourage them. i enjoy being a hidden gem and enjoy not having every detail of every date sprawled on the pages of any publication or website. call me old fashioned. I know many of you rely on reviews but remember you cant always believe everything you read. guys btw if you have seen me please help me get my fake reviews off my name that have been written about my coppy cats. i had them remove all that mentioned tattoos and 400 lbs and missing front teeth but they wouldn't remove all the post mentioning the anal queens. they say they want to here from guys that have met me. so if you have met me please help and write a letter to ter telling them wich reviews cant be about me. you dont have to write a review having such details posted isn't very atractive to me. discreet reviews i enjoy but not sure if they even get posted if they arent detailed and steamy or pure flame material.

are girls with 25 plus reviews any better or worse than girls with very few or none... I dont think so. they probably just encourage reviews. I have one girlfriend who has worked in this city 10 years and has many regulars and i would consider one of the top providers in this city... and she has no reviews whatsoever. go figure. reviews are funny.

btw it was great meeting many of you at the various parties this year..
have fun and make all your fantasies come true
love always
auriana

78% of people know that. LOL!

(borrowed from the Simpsons-credit where it's due)

I absolutely love playing with the search functions here, and learned if one tweaks the search criteria sufficiently, nearly any provider can be number one.

For example, just changing the total reviews criteria on the Phoenix providers from "25 and up" to "25 to 30", generates an entirely different result.

Tweak it even further from there, amuse your friends, have fun at parties.

I believe that we live in an age where we have almost too much raw data available, too many variables, so many ways to filter data that the results can become meaningless.

To the point that you really CAN use statistics to prove anything.

Which, when it's all said and done, winds up proving nothing at all.

Food for thought.

Hobby Happy

JJ

I was wondering how you came up with those statistics.I have 29 pages of reviews with good performances so i was just curious......


-- Modified on 4/13/2006 10:24:55 PM

I could not reply to Overcaffeeinated; possibly he is one of the TER's owners. I find that TER is one of the most inferior review boadrs across the country. There are a lot of local boards like sfredbook.com and their top ones do not even appear on TER. TER covers wider area of the country with less quality. TER is most like the Macdonalds, if you will.

So, please take TER's top ratings with a grain of salt.

-- Modified on 4/13/2006 10:34:10 PM

you and Roxanne ought to check out volunteering at the Humane Society....they would love to have you gals on board.

-- Modified on 4/13/2006 10:38:04 PM

of the list IMO. Which really goes to show the value of quality contacts. I'll match up my "list" vs that one any day....however I wont fault OC for doing the legwork....

First, you have to be logged into your VIP account to get the full search function.  All I did was "Sort by" performance, selected 25 to ____ for "total reviews", selected Escort for "service type" and that's what produced the list.  

Foxy, you do have very high ratings, and yours is an example of how people should look behind the numbers.  Your ratings in the recent past are top-tier material.  It's hard to change an average with so many scores, however (and I had the GPA to prove it).

you come across as a total ditz dont you? At least you left the dumbass (wink) out of this one. Your opinion is certainly both valid and welcome {assuming you have one}. But if your just going to post your normal inane dribble why not save it for another thread....

here is a advanced search for phoenix link with 25 reviews and performance
TER's data base calculates the number of reviews to get the percentage.

All based on the reviews that the "hobbyist have chosen to give.
Why some are saying you can manulipate it, that's crazy, unless now they don't agree with the reviews. then if that's the case what's the purpose of this site.
Not sure which way these guys want it.

call my if you have any questions.

kisses, my friend
Terri

http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/newreviewsList.asp?searchreview=1&MP=&SortBy=4&ExcludeBadWebsite=1&ExcludeBadPhone=&TotalReviews1=25&TotalReviews2=&NewProvidersOnly=&OverallLooks1=&OverallLooks2=&OverallPerformance1=&OverallPerformance2=&OverallAverage1=&OverallAverage2=&ServiceType=1&ServiceAddOn=&Price1=&Price2=&Name=&Phone=&City=14&Typeofphoneservice=&location=&Email=&AreaCode=&svcEscort=&Daytime=&svcMassage=&Nighttime=&svcSM=&tAgency=&Incall=&Pornstar=&Outcall=&Sex=&Massage1=&Massage2=&SM=&BlowJob=&CuminMouth=&TouchPussy=&LickPussy=&Kiss=&Anal=&TwoGirlAction=&MorethanoneGuy=&NoRush=&MassageQuality1=&MassageQuality2=&SecondProvider=&MultiplePops=&Rimming=&picsreal=&PicsCurrent=&Build=&tHeight1=&tHeight2=&Age1=&Age2=&HairColor=&HairType=&HairLength1=&HairLength2=&BreastSize1=&BreastSize2=&BreastCup1=&BreastCup2=&BreastImplants=&BreastAppearance=&Piercings=&Tattoos=&Pussy=&Ethnicity=&Transsexual=&Smokes=&deliveredaspromised=&OnTime=&x=23&y=8

lady that floats your boat, Bub and who the hell are you that you think you so superior to us.

Why do you even come to this board?  

by you hobbyist are one thing but yet when you calculate them and come up with a percentage there worthless.

my hands must be getting tired. You know guys, I really do have a man's sense of humor at times and I do joke a lot, yet I hardly think it's worth the hatefulness. You and azhacker need to chill out. I'm hardly a ditz you guys. Such venom lately. Thanks for letting me know what you think of me. I guess I don't have to worry about you two making an appointment to see me. I guess that is a good thing because I generally get the classy, intelligent men anyway. As far as the "wink" thing goes, that's part of my personality meaning that I'm joking and/or flirting. Gees! Again, such venom.  Some of the guys in Phoenix are going way overboard these days. If you've never met me, then don't judge me. WINK! WINK! WINK! WINK! WINK! WINK! WINK!


-- Modified on 4/14/2006 1:07:57 AM

Come on, Azhacker. You have obviously never met me and do not know me, nor do I know you -- which I guess is good for my sake.

First, You're right it sounded silly. That's because I posted in the wrong place. Sorry. However, sometimes I say things to lighten up the air because some people are pretty mean spirited and I tend to fight for the underdog if I agree with him/her (Gee! I guess I should volunteer at the Humane Society. Actually, I probably would work there. I love animals). I also am serious in some posts when it's needed and not everything I say on this Board is a joke. Do your homework before you accuse.

Yes, occasionally my comments are sarcastic or suppose to be light-hearted, certainly not meant to come off as ditsy. However, I guess you would think that if you didn't know me, or maybe if someone else planted that image in your mind. If you knew me, you would realize that. As for negative comments about someone or "winks" or whatever, it sounds like you're wound up way too tight. Ignore the "winks" if it bothers you. That's my way of flirting or joking. Gees! Relax.

Hugs,
Ciara

-- Modified on 4/14/2006 12:46:57 AM

-- Modified on 4/14/2006 1:15:48 AM

Thanks Terri! I'm #3 in Phoenix by performance and #29 in the Country by performance (with at least 25 reviews).

Awesome.
Always makes me feel good knowing I make others feel good! !

I normally ignore your posts because, IMHO, they lack any semblance of credibility.  However, with the turmoil on the board lately I knew this one would be a real opinionated duesy, so I had a momentary lapse and opened the post.  Hacker, I can honestly say, I disagree with everything you said in this post.

'We can all be nice but the board exists to provide information for HOBBIESTS'  Really, thanks for letting us know.  I guess there's no way for providers to read reviews written by hobbyist to learn about the hobbyist, what he/she likes and looks for so the provider can provide the ultimate session for a new client.  Or read her own reviews to see how she can improve her service?  That's really nice to know.

'Providing current ACCURATE information is not a shill...in fact there are almost zero true shills here. Most are posts regarding someone new....go find me a single instance of a poster lobbying for the same gal more than once or twice in a year....'  That's correct, unless you're getting discounts from agencies to promote their new hires, regardless of performance, then its wasting board space.

'Performance matters most of all....  No such thing as a "good deal" for a bad time...'  I agree, that's what reviews are for, not the board.  What you consider a "bad time" is your opinion and by all means post it in a review.  I check new reviews everyday and I don't need to be notified before hand that a review from a paid reviewer (agency shiller who receives discounts to promote the agencies new hires) will be posted soon.  As I said, this is nothing more that wasting board space.

'Your a guest on "MY BOARD" (obviously it's Dingus's board){but its really the "hobbiests board [IMO]} please rtember that and be on your best behavior...'  Wow, strong statement.  Maybe we should get TER to change the name to AzHacher Review Board.  Or perhaps you could start your own board and enjoy your posts because no one else does.

'My goal is to put it back out here where it belongs....'  Wow again, who died and made you the board spokesperson?  This board is a public forum and anyone can post, hobbyist and providers alike.  I'm unable to find a single statement on TER that states this is "only" a hobbyist board.  Anyone can pay the fee and read the reviews or the post on any of the boards, national or local.

As the number one Shiller in Phoenix, I can understand that you feel this is your board.  Especially by the way you bludgeon anyone who disagrees with you.  (Case in point, the "ditz" comment to Ciara above.)  But hacker, you are sorely mistaken.  I for one, along with many others, enjoy the verbal repartee between hobbyist and providers alike.  If this bothers you, that's just too bad.  Ignore it if you don't like, but shut up, we're tired of hearing your whining.

Ladies, I know that I speak for many Hobbyist in the area.  We enjoy your posts and sincerely hope you continue posting.  After all, we're in an underground environment and this is one of the ways we're able to communicate and play with each other. Wink away Ciara.

Gosh, all I try to do is be nice and remind people that others have feelings and I'm getting bashed.  Actually, blue I already am a volunteer teaching children to swim and adults to read.  I guess I don't have any additional time to volunteer elsewhere.

As a very wise and insiteful animated celebrity once said...
"what a maroon"

It's really to bad that you bad mouth the lovely miss Ciara.
You seem destined to cut off you nose to spite your face.

Just my opinion...
B

to me, when the only rebut you present to a serious post is an attack on the poster himself, well, you lose credibility.

We are supposed to be adults here, but what the heck.....

My Dad can beat up Your Dad!

in my book and have always been one of Phx's ATF's for many.  Not to worry your star shines bright;.

Thor had just finished having a "date" with his concubine.
He stood up, threw his arms in the air and roared "I'M THOR".
His lady friend just shrugged her shoulders and said...
"you think you're thor,
I'm tho thor I could thit"

BTW... my Dad is dead, so you are probably right.

Just my opinion...
B

-- Modified on 4/14/2006 8:04:49 AM

Why attack the PERSON instead of their thoughts?

you nor I would ever bash anyone, at least not intentionally, but others feel the need to do those things.

Hugs,
Ciara

I'm saying when one can take those review numbers (raw data) and apply endless sorting criteria to create endless percentages, the result can be meaningless.

Note I said "can" not "is", "meaningless" not "worthless".

The saying goes "Numbers don't lie", but that doesn't mean they can't be used to tell many different stories.

I opine that one should perhaps consider that when attempting to infer "facts" from what another's particular sorting of raw data implies.

It applies to ANY data, hobbyist ratings, economic indicators, farm production stats, you name it.

Now, whether it's worthless or not, that's up to the person making the inferences I suppose. Or the person makes their decisions based on that person who made the inferences.

Here's something else to think about:

There has been debate ad nauseam for years that the hobbyist rating system here is inaccurate, too subjective, unfair, inflated or suspect in one way or another.

Considering the concept of garbage in-garbage out, how much "worth" should one assign to any distillation of this kind of disputed data?

Just putting these ideas out there-they're general concepts I think about when I am reading this site, and maybe other people do as well.

Discussion is fun, and I love to get other people's take on things.

Watching people savage each other in mean spirited posts holds about as much interest to me as watching two dogs fight in the street.

So, gentle readers, if you see yourselves in my musings and take offense, you're looking too hard.

I'm not saying anything specifically TO or ABOUT anyone with this topic.

Cause again, at the end of the day, all I wanna do is

Hobby Happy

JJ




-- Modified on 4/14/2006 11:35:52 AM

I totally agree with you Hacker. It is about making informed decisiions.

Run the same Phoenix performance search, and change the number of review criteria from 25 to 10 and watch what happens.

If one were to decide that 10 reviews minimum were enough, the top girl in Phoenix performance-wise....is TS Nina.

That was just moving one criteria down a bit.

Just imagine what kind of top lists one could create with a little more manipulation.

That's what I mean when I say you really CAN use statistics to prove anything.

THAT'S the crazy part-and what one should bear in mind for before they put faith in what numbers "tell" them.

JJ

PS: I used that 30 reviews search, added one criteria, and YOU come up as the top provider performance-wise in Phoenix. PM me if you wanna know how.

JJ

-- Modified on 4/14/2006 12:22:16 PM

sorting of the date and the criteria to create endless percentages.
My post was just raw data and presented as a whole for phoenix with all ages included and 25 reviews and nothing more.

Using the 25 or 20 or 15 reviews don't change much but at least you get stability.

So when  I say I'm a Top Rated Provider in Phoenix I'm not lying and have data to back me up...I think that's good thing!!!!

I'm proud of my reviews, whether I'm a Phoenix favorite or not.

Thanks AZJustJack..Happy Easter too!

-- Modified on 4/14/2006 1:39:04 PM

I know honey, so if someone was looking for a particular thing, it changes, if you only do a search with 1 review certainly it changes and I would be at the bottom of the list.

Were were talking about the same thing, I'm not manipulating the #'s and you are with the criteria that you enter in the search to narrow down the list, and that's very good!

Also, I know what your talking about in the search you did!!!wink, wink
Thanks, Sweetie
T