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Providers and Full Name
DaRegularJoe 585 reads
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I guess there are strong opinions on both sides on this issue. So perhaps need to look at it on a per provider basis.

DaRegularJoe2188 reads

Hello,

Have a P411 account with multiple recent okays. Is there a reason why some providers still need my full name while making a booking?  

Do some providers really have this policy and if so, what could be the reason specially for P411 verified and okayed members?

Thanks,

...a P411 membership with OK's. It's what they screen with. It's what makes them feel safe and comfortable about you. The provider has the right to ask for whatever she needs to feel this way. You have the right to comply or decline.  

I know of a few providers that require full names because they want to be sure you two don't somehow know each other in real life

DaRegularJoe586 reads

I guess there are strong opinions on both sides on this issue. So perhaps need to look at it on a per provider basis.

GaGambler635 reads

but yes "some" providers don't accept P 411 membership alone, even with dozens of Okays, just like "some" providers won't accept provider references "alone" and still insist on additional screening.

It's up to you whether or not to provide this additional information, My advice is to either comply or move onto another lady, having a "discussion" on WHY she needs the info will most certainly not be a productive one. lol

BTW when I say "small" percentage, for me it's been maybe one or two percent at the most. Such a small percentage as to be almost statistically irrelevant.

For me personally, if somebody has a p411 account I look at how long they have had it and how many okays they have, and sometimes how long ago they received these okays. If they have been pretty active with recent okays I generally don't need a full name. When a potential client has verified memberships on a reputable site that makes me pretty comfortable. When they are active on these sites, even more comfy.  

I only request names and other ways to verify if they DONT know about these sites or activity is very limited. Sometimes my screening is painless, sometimes it's easier than other times, sometimes I ask for one thing to verify, sometimes I will ask for 5 things to verify. Another very important part of my screening is RESPECT. If a potential client is understanding and respectful of my need to feel safe and comfortable, that ALSO raises my comfort level.  

But again, these are MY requirements for screening. Not every provider screens the same because it can take different things for a provider to feel comfortable.

Because nearly every companion can tell you a story about how the guy with 4 references from well reputed providers completely bailed on her with no notice after she booked a $300 room in Midtown to meet him.  She's still waiting on the apology email.

Because nearly every companion can tell you a story about how the guy from P411 that has been a member for 6 years and has 40 okay's "accidentally slipped" and put it in her bum after she repeatedly told him not to.  How he thrusted a couple extra times so he could get off before he pulled it out and apologized profusely with a smirk on his face.

Because nearly every companion can tell you a story about how the guy on TER with 27 reviews and several whitelists booked a 2 hour visit and after he was "done" after 40 minutes promptly declared he couldn't go again and quickly adjusted the 2 hour compensation to 1 hour compensation.

Do you think any of that would happen if she knew his name?  Where he worked?  No.  

It's certainly up to every paying client how he wishes to screen.  There will always be a companion that he can see with whatever screening information he is willing to provide.

Likewise, every companion will decide what she's comfortable accepting as screening information prior to meeting someone.  Every single companion I've ever spoke with that requires full name for screening does so because she had an experience similar to the ones listed above and she vowed "Never Again."

We all have our reasons.

Posted By: ChloesClub

   
 Do you think any of that would happen if she knew his name?  Where he worked?  No.    
   
So in that sense it is kind of like an incentive to fulfill the contract made (between him and her)?

I can't speak for other girls but I just want to co-sign that what Chloe said is very true! I have had most of the things listed happen to me at one time or another (all by guys with verifiable provider references btw so don't drop that "did you screen them?" bullshit on me) and if I'd had a way to let the people in those men's lives know what they did to me then I don't think the men would have risked it.  They do it because this is the perfect place to get away with it and sex workers make the perfect victims.  

 

Posted By: ChloesClub
Because nearly every companion can tell you a story about how the guy with 4 references from well reputed providers completely bailed on her with no notice after she booked a $300 room in Midtown to meet him.  She's still waiting on the apology email.  
   
 Because nearly every companion can tell you a story about how the guy from P411 that has been a member for 6 years and has 40 okay's "accidentally slipped" and put it in her bum after she repeatedly told him not to.  How he thrusted a couple extra times so he could get off before he pulled it out and apologized profusely with a smirk on his face.  
   
 Because nearly every companion can tell you a story about how the guy on TER with 27 reviews and several whitelists booked a 2 hour visit and after he was "done" after 40 minutes promptly declared he couldn't go again and quickly adjusted the 2 hour compensation to 1 hour compensation.  
   
 Do you think any of that would happen if she knew his name?  Where he worked?  No.    
   
 It's certainly up to every paying client how he wishes to screen.  There will always be a companion that he can see with whatever screening information he is willing to provide.  
   
 Likewise, every companion will decide what she's comfortable accepting as screening information prior to meeting someone.  Every single companion I've ever spoke with that requires full name for screening does so because she had an experience similar to the ones listed above and she vowed "Never Again."  
   
 We all have our reasons.
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Absolutely. Perfect. 99% of the providers screening with real names have a real reason. I doubt the guy who knocked me around (who had good reviews) would have done so had I known his real name.

Sorry to hear that happened to you. :(  You could still report him to P411 staff based on his P411 username, right?  I'm not a member of that site so I don't know all the options.  You can also consider National Blacklist and Verify Him...there may be some other sources too.

do you want quality, discretion, security, quality... I guess you have to follow the lady rules.  

it's REAL simple. If a companion's screening process is too thorough for you, move along to someone who's less careful, and good luck.

For other ladies that dont screen... All money isnt good money and if you are risking your safety to get money eventually something bad is going to happen. So screen.
 

Posted By: DaRegularJoe
Hello,  
   
 Have a P411 account with multiple recent okays. Is there a reason why some providers still need my full name while making a booking?  
   
 Do some providers really have this policy and if so, what could be the reason specially for P411 verified and okayed members?  
   
 Thanks,

and find someone else. Every lady has the right to feel safe when meeting a friend.

Xyz actually mentioned  this in his reply above, but this thread provides a good example.  
Here is one reason some providers ask for real info:

Posted By: DaRegularJoe
Hello,  
   
 Have a P411 account with multiple recent okays. Is there a reason why some providers still need my full name while making a booking?  
   
 Do some providers really have this policy and if so, what could be the reason specially for P411 verified and okayed members?  
   
 Thanks,

Hi,
    I'm brand new (but have done lots of research) and I will respond from that perspective.  For someone brand new they may not be familiar with the various websites or feel as trusting as someone with more experience.
    P411 actually doesn't allow membership to brand new providers.  Furthermore, even if let's say someone has a couple of clients, at least 1 of those clients must be a member of P411 with 5 reviews or okays.  I spoke to their rep in a chat session to verify.
From the website: "To show that you are a legitimate and reputable escort, we will need to see a recent review (less than 3 months old) posted by an established reviewer. An established reviewer is someone who has posted at least five reviews of escorts, other than you, prior to reviewing you.  If you do not have reviews posted as described, we may accept a reference from a P411 client member with whom you have had a session, who has at least five Okays. Providers are not able to vouch other providers onto P411."

I can see how the screening process might not feel very comfortable and private but as long as you are dealing with someone decent, discreet, and you treat them respectfully, I would think the client's privacy would be respected since the goal is to get repeat clientele and have a good reputation.  

As for why a provider wouldnt give their information, it should be understood that there are just different dynamics at play for the different roles.  Reporting something would draw attention to the provider and depending on the details the penalty could be jail time for the provider but not for the client.  Why would someone jeopardize a major source of income and their freedom without good reason?  Your data is probably treated quite seriously on average, since it's like a career for some people plus they have their own privacy and peace to protect.  As far as female versus male concerns, even though some guys are really normal and great, it is far more typical that if/when there is an attack it's done by a male, not a female to a male.  Males are typically stronger as well.  Someone found to be linked to a provider would be suspected of being with that 1 person, yes, but the provider would be suspected of/labeled as being with hundreds and that's on top of the fact that judgement/standards seem to be more harsh for females.  

If you are already going into a scenario where the guy wants more than conversation, better try to make sure he won't be be nutty or forcing things you aren't okay with.  From the provider's side it's more about money but I don't think robberies by 1 lone female are common (although I'm sure it can happen in a sneaky way).  In fact I've read of providers being robbed (National Blacklist website).  I guess everyone should just bring what they plan to spend, not entire wallets.

In regular day to day life I had a bad encounter (attempted rape) with a guy I had recently met and was just hanging out with, not planning to do anything with...it turned out his photo and name were in the local sex offender database which I hadn't checked.  And these incidents aren't super rare just because they aren't openly discussed.  So yeah checking matters even though it won't guarantee anything.

   If I couldn't screen someone I would not remotely entertain the thought of meeting up, so it's creating more providers.  Meeting some anonymous stranger with who knows what kind of history or... affiliation??  Creepy and risky.  
    I was leaning away from an online presence for privacy reasons but I joined TER since it seems to be a good resource for info, is high up on the Google search results list and will help my page to get some traffic, and it seems to care about limiting dishonest reviews.
    In conclusion, P411 seems sufficient but I'd appreciate it if someone was willing to give a little basic information to me directly so it doesn't seem like they "have something to hide".  I'll probably feel more relaxed about it after having a few clients.  I would be using the info to help me feel safe about meeting the person to begin with, not so much for anything post-meeting.  Of course the general vibe I get upon meeting someone matters, too.  Well, thanks for hearing (reading) my piece and hopefully we can all be good to one another.

Oh I just had another thought (last one, I promise.  Haha)...a person who does have access to P411 might want your name to guess at your nationality or race to reject or allow you...so it could be an issue of stereotypes/assumptions/bias, at least in some cases.

I thought of a work-around for the P411 access issue.  If someone can email or text several screenshots or a short video of successful login (without the password showing) under the username linked to the Okays, plus show the Okays themselves, it would be fine.  But to help ensure the person is within my personal standards or comfort zone I would still need a photo (attire, cleanliness, etiquette.  A guy making weird hand signs in a hoodie...No. lol)+call, OR, those screenshots and a short pre-meet over tea, for example...without any further information.  These options are preferred over me calling a reference since I don't know if I'd be calling at a bad time and it's that much less privacy for me and creates a tie to some stranger who may or may not get into trouble.
Usernames and passwords could get compromised for a set up (or used by someone's friend who doesn't actually have an account) but im guessing that's very rare.  Any stories out there?
I think I would worry more about giving my info to a major website that could be targeted than about giving my (non-credit card) info to 1 or 2 people who seem normal.  Plus clients pay the websites whereas it's free to just let a provider do some research.  On the other hand the websites provide a more neutral and "trusted by many" feel, so I can see the appeal.

GaGambler534 reads

I can't imagine using your "work around" to P 411, especially when the existing system works so well for me. If you are going to ask guys to jump through THAT many hoops in order to see you I am afraid you are going to be VERY disappointed in the results.

It sounds like you are new and trying to be creative, but my advice is to follow the advice of those who have been doing this for years or even decades instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. Very few guys are going to even consider sending you a pic, a screen shot or meeting you for a 'spot of tea" lol

P 411 is well known, reputable and located outside of the United States, no offense, but "who the heck are you?" I don't say this to be harsh, just making the point that most of us are going to be a LOT more comfortable giving our info to an established, well known and reputable site, than some provider we've never heard of.

The system works for us.  P411 is reputable and efficient.  If you try to create a work-around, guys will pass you by.

interest from your website. Your photos do not get me excited (skin not necessary) because there is nothing there to give me an idea of your physical beauty as in height/weight proportion, hair, eyes, smile, etc.

You have a long way to go to play in this arena.

GaGambler, emorf4077, keystonekid, and some other person...I haven't been here in a while but to respond to your replies:  
I never once said nothing bad could ever happen with some random provider.  I simply said it would not be in her best interest and it would seem illogical if she wants a good reputation to make even more money.  That said, of course there are illogical or scheming types of people in the world...or you could wrong someone enough for them to want revenge but it seems to me it would likely cause the provider stress, too (eg. cursed out by your SO). If someone new isnt given a chance then how can she ever become reputable/reviewed (in a safe manner without an agency)?  I don't really get why some people feel the need to exaggerate or be combative in forums.  A discussion doesn't needed to become a full blown argument.

As far as guys  "jumping through hoops", I said I'd use P411 as screenshots precisely to accommodate the guys, not that I wouldn't take it at all.  I cannot get a P411 membership being new, so if the user readily has access to his P411 Okays I'd think it would be really easy to just take a couple of screenshots, text or email them, then briefly meet in person so I can get a feel that he's probably/hopefully not a nut before I'm in a private setting with him.  I feel like that's pretty reasonable and just because you personally don't prefer it doesn't mean it's an out of this world bad idea to every guy.  Now, if you guys don't have easy access to view the Okays then I understand that would be a hassle.
  On both sides it comes down to luck as to whether someone is trustworthy or some sort of threat.  So I understand hesitancy.  It just sucks that I'd be blocked when I'm 100% trustworthy, not some "unpredictable drug user", and not out to get anyone.  I'd suggest you guys in relationships use cash to buy a prepaid phone without your name attached to it and keep it powered off and hidden when you aren't setting up a date...simple as that.  As far as steamy messages...I wouldn't even do that kind of talk.  It would just be getting the info for making an appointment and that doesn't by itself prove much...plus things can be said verbally for no texting trail.
Keystonekid, yeah "surprisingly enough" I'm not trying to show my full face and many people don't so I don't know how that's a legit criticism.  I am f#%king beautiful so I want to add my face but it just doesn't seem very wise.  Well if we set something up, you see me and think I look like a dog, then you can just leave.  It's not like it's a prepaid scenario.  lol.  That's if you already had the hotel room.  But that wouldn't happen anyway. Guaranteed.  I have added many more photos at this point. There was no need for any put downs.  The site was still in its infancy and I expected a more friendly and supportive tone here but there seems to be a lot of male-female bashing (of the bad type).  Not my kind of atmosphere if that's the norm.

Well, I have my first TER review you guys!  I made screening straight forward and painless and kept him updated when each reference replied.  However, once I get much busier or have some bad experiences, screening might become a more selective process.  I just hate to make things difficult the way they were made difficult for me.  It was so nice to be given a chance to show and prove, and for it to all work out pretty well. :)  I'm still a newbie (regarding norms/nervousness not the quality "services" part) but the review should help a lot since so many people online act skeptical of someone new.
The Fog has lifted and I see great things on the horizon!  ;)
Happy New Year, everyone!

FullyFunded396 reads

You would want to be flat out crazy to EVER provide a real name and/or employment to ANY provider.

Apart from the several well-known points made already (multiple cases of providers deliberately outing clients, and lack of willingness to reciprocate), I would add the following:
- Providers lose or have their cell phones stolen all the time. Same with iPods, and computers.
- There have been several cases reported here on TER where the stolen phones, with all the juicy  
  details, have ended up in the hands of LEO, with subsequent inquiries (just search on Legal board).
- Then there are hackers. Both email accounts and computers are regularly hacked, often on an industrial scale. Again, you want those hackers to have all your juicy personal details?
- Finally, quite a few providers are frauds/crooks, and/or with pimps. You want them with your personal details?

I have only ever dated using a cover name, with separate email, and throw-away phone....

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