How many have experienced an escort to actually become a real friend of yours?  Rather than paying for her time just to see her?  For someone like me, I don't have any friends in reality, but have some amazing connections with providers.  Has anyone had success of them actually hanging out with you without needing any extras and without paying for her time?  Most of the Time for me, it really isn't about sex.  People get lonely.

In the escort world, GFE has several definitions.  When I mean friend, I don't mean the GF in GFE, but someone to say "sup, wanna check out this new place?" Or watching the game on TV together with wings and beer.  I guess "dutch pay" doesn't exist in an escorts vocabulary.  I suck at making friends in person, so hiring an escort is an easier way to initiate conversation.

Yea I guess I understand.  It just destroys the fantasy in some aspects when a provider says they genuinely enjoy the company of the men they see.  I believe they do enjoy it in some way.  But I do not believe they would enjoy their company or ever have thought about enjoying it if they weren't paid in some form or another.  If the clients company is something they enjoy, wouldn't they not mind hanging out with them outside of work?  Not to have intimacy or relations with, but to catch up and comment on some random bitch's toenails as they walk by?

Why don't you have real friends? If your company is not enjoyable for real people to want to "hang out with you"

have made very good friends who I care about and I know they care about me. Yes it is possible and it happends.. at least to me.  

You just can't go looking for it but sometimes it happens.  It sort of works backward from traditional dating.  You get the sex part out of the way first, then, if there's some chemistry, a friendship can happen.  But even then it's not like a standard friendship.  You can't just call her up and say, "Let's get together."
That said, I've don't lots of things OTC with gals.  Just don't make it out to be more than it is.

Well, I do have real friends but we've all moved so far apart from each other that our relationships have died down.  I also have acquaintances from work and other places but none of which I would consider real friends.  There are certain vibes where you feel like you know if they are someone you connect with very well.  Not all providers have given that feeling, some have felt more like "acquaintances."  Some have given that feeling of a real friend though, and having to pay just to have a nice convo or goofing around with them makes that moment feel worthless at the end of the day only because that feeling was so superficial.

Every escort also has a personal life and spends time either alone or with friends or going out to places or spending time with family.  They don't charge their friends to have a good time with even though they do get paid for their time when they are "working."  I'm sure once they're extremely comfortable with that client, it wouldn't be considered real "work" outside of maybe the intimacy portion.  While the intimacy is good, it's not usually required if the emotional connection creates an atmosphere that overcomes other forms of pleasure, as it is with close friends or family.

I like a lot of my clients. I genuinely enjoy the company of all but a very few. They are generally people I would be happy to get to know in real life, in any capacity.

I just want to point out to any knucklehead that calls me whatever snarky name your woman's studies professor taught you at your over priced university  when I point out what I have observed from women  

Generally speaking, the women who've answered you here are correct.  And going out looking for friendships here is almost always a mistake.  You seem to be a classic case of the guy who's susceptible to the syndrome called, "I've fallen for a hooker and I can't get up."
So, yes, it can happen.  But it will only happen naturally, because of chemistry between two people. It can't be forced.  Most of the time that will lead only to disappointment.
I've been lucky to have met more than a few women with whom I sometimes socialize OTC.  But even then, it's only when they reach out.  It's just not something you can ask for.

I am sure but not for guys like you
Of course sometimes an escort will  
enjoy a clients company and hang out  
with him as a friend, but thats if they  
like the dude. You sound a little clueless, no offense.  
don't ask a girl to come by for free and watch tv
you will just look cheap and lonely

I'm not saying I would straight up call them.  I wouldn't ever do that unless I was trying to set up a date.  Even still, there actually has been one that gave me their real name and number.  At the time I had personal things going on that didn't let me reach out to them so I ended up trashing that info and haven't seen them since.

YES!!!! After many years of doing this game I can honestly say I do have some uniquely fantastically great friends to call and chat with … for sure!!!  

I remember when I started in this business a friend who had been working for a while said the most difficult clients are the ones that fall in love with you.  I had no idea what she was talking about. You can really care about a client and I generally enjoy the company of most of my clients but the ones who see or want more in the relationship can be difficult. Because the last thing any of want to do is to hurt someone.

I'm not necessarily falling in "love."  There are only a couple providers I've seen more than once and none more than 3 times.  I just thought they were cool and wouldn't mind spending time with them doing things that we would both have an interest in every once in a while.  Not trying to make it sound like an obligation to spend time with me because I'm lonely.  There are plenty of other things I do when I'm lonely:  I read, play games, watch tv, work out, or masturbate.  I don't ever try to guilt trip into anyone thinking I need their company, just wondering if anyone's had some success.  And by that, I mean, having a provider out of her own will try to an initiate some chill time with you.  If you don't want to hang out, then that's fine.

I befriended a client back in 2007 and he's been my best friend for 7 years. I don't see much of him anymore because he spends the majority of his time in New Jersey.

This needs to be explained to a grown man who has the minimal intellect to be in control of his own finances...

Friendships can not be forced.  It either happens or it does not.  Asking if you can make a friend is sort of like asking if you can make friends with your coworkers or your hair stylist.

Can it happen?  Yes.  Is it happening often? No.

You say YOU want to "be with a friend to binge watch tv shows with, watch movies, check out new places to eat."

Most of the time, she already has people in her life to to all of that.  Either she has to have the same need or you have to be an absolutely exceptionally fascinating person.

imagine .. after  appointment you are out of his hotel with 1000 or 1500 in pocket.. and all NYC is here for your pleasure ... ..but but you are alone ..
you want go to Bar .. hmmm.. as soon as you step there there be five men who want make love to you just because they are drunk .. so you better do not go there ..  
 You want go to dance ... but dance alone ??
 you want go to Jazz lets say Blur Note or Dizzy jazz or opera .. but again ... as you walk on NYC streets you see people as couples enjoying life, drinking wine ..  
and you have in your pocket 1500  for 3 hours yet  yet ..it s alone does not make you happy  
you walk and you are sooooo lonely and want YOUR CLIENT to be with you show him all about NYC what you know share all places take him here
. take him there .
. share share share ..
  want take him to Samovar .. to the Box , to Russian Tea Room to Piano Bar to Russian steam room .. but he thinks that if he will do that  he has to donate you  around 4500 ..( 450X10 h)
Some actually do .. others  do not
I think we women loosing more  then earning when we make astronomical rates for out time  
 I rather have a friend for such monthly allowances then for  10 hours
 and do all together
 when needed to enjoy life ..
 I have such two but  still people are married and are busy  
 looking forward to add more... more free in his time  
 I still will escort  
 there no other way for me to enjoy life with one man I love many men  and many times
It si why I am single and will keep that way unless I will meet one who does think same way  and we be totally free yet freinds  
 So yes .. we women we want  have true freinds

With some limits and boundaries.  The paradigm is different from civilian life.  

Thank you so much for this.  This is exactly what I mean.  In reality, escorts and clients have a private life that we don't normally share with close friends or family, and this is a connection that is the foundation of our relationships.  Im not asking for a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship or to "marry you."  I'm only wondering if you feel like you want to ever hang out or explore together as friends, why not?  Because I'm using your "time" does it mean that I really have to pay you for something that YOU want to do?  I'm not forcing it upon anyone.  If it's something that you're willing to do, is it wrong to suggest company to do things together without the intimacy?  Let's be real, we hire escorts to fulfill certain erotic fantasies.  Outside of that, we are humans who have regular needs that are remotely related to our sexual borders.  For example, we are new to the city, we don't know what to do, where to go, where to eat.  Do you need to get paid just for someone to keep you company in an unfamiliar area if you have a strong connection with that client?

I don't have a normal civilian life.  I don't go out with people, I have so much time, I do mostly whatever I want to do for that day.  Having "non-normal" civilian friends would be most ideal.  I'm young, I'm bored, regular people are harder for me to get along with.

If I come to NYC, which I do in the summer cause I hate winter weather, pm me.. I love to do foodie things, movies, drinks.. I own this business, and going out with friends is harmless and fun!  

Thank you for the supportive response.  This is what I meant.  I'm not saying I'm some kind of loser who is going to constantly bug someone to spend time with me because I'm a lonely weirdo.  We'll I can be a weirdo in some ways, but a normal social life, following trends, trying to fit in, has never really satisfied me.  I have never really brought it up during a date if that escort would wanna hang out during their free times or time off.  But if I did, I don't think it would be wrong to if there is an honest and mutual feeling towards spending fun, non-sexual times together outside of the business.

CLASSIC THOUGHTS , Remember recently we had huge arguments on subject you and only myself knows about it, but yes what you say above i admire you for that.

Great, i like it.

Posted By: Pavlienna

imagine .. after  appointment you are out of his hotel with 1000 or 1500 in pocket.. and all NYC is here for your pleasure ... ..but but you are alone ..  
 you want go to Bar .. hmmm.. as soon as you step there there be five men who want make love to you just because they are drunk .. so you better do not go there ..  
  You want go to dance ... but dance alone ??  
  you want go to Jazz lets say Blur Note or Dizzy jazz or opera .. but again ... as you walk on NYC streets you see people as couples enjoying life, drinking wine ..  
 and you have in your pocket 1500  for 3 hours yet  yet ..it s alone does not make you happy  
 you walk and you are sooooo lonely and want YOUR CLIENT to be with you show him all about NYC what you know share all places take him here  
 . take him there .  
 . share share share ..  
   want take him to Samovar .. to the Box , to Russian Tea Room to Piano Bar to Russian steam room .. but he thinks that if he will do that  he has to donate you  around 4500 ..( 450X10 h)  
 Some actually do .. others  do not  
 I think we women loosing more  then earning when we make astronomical rates for out time  
  I rather have a friend for such monthly allowances then for  10 hours  
  and do all together  
  when needed to enjoy life ..  
  I have such two but  still people are married and are busy  
  looking forward to add more... more free in his time  
  I still will escort  
  there no other way for me to enjoy life with one man I love many men  and many times  
 It si why I am single and will keep that way unless I will meet one who does think same way  and we be totally free yet freinds  
  So yes .. we women we want  have true freinds

When we have FREE time we like to spend it with those we truly care for.  So there are only two ways to do all those things with an escort.

1) Pay her

2) Become someone she WANTS to spend time with


First one is self explanatory.  Second?  Well there is only one way to become friends with an escort and it is the same way you become friends with anyone else.  You have to give as much as receive.

Unfortunately all I read in your posts is YOUR needs and YOUR desires.  And its OK - as  long as you pay to have your needs met.  Whatever those needs are.

A provider recently said to me there are two types of men in P4P. Men who hobby because they want to and guys who hobby because they have to.