Contacted a new girl in town and she said 200 for topless and 300 for nude. No reviews and she's asking for donations that correlate to full service. Works with a girl who has reviews but not the best and she basically writes me off because I don't want to donate that for a nude massage. Says she's doing doubles with her and doing just fine but then her schedule looks pretty open.

As someone who has (recently) been told I won't be seen because my ratea are too high I will tell you this:

Enough already.  You are mad some guy thinks you are over priced and is harassing you.  Try not to relate the next 20 threads to you.  Take a look at the top providers and the way they conduct themselves.  Diarrhea of the mouth should never be the cornerstone of a hookers marketing plan.  No where did whohash say he tried to convince her that her rates are too high and email stalk her.  It's completely different than your situation.  Not to mention he's right, that pricing is a joke.

Statements like "we are the ones who put our safety on the line..."  are so narrow minded.   I am sick of providers act like they are the constant "possible victim" in this business.  You don't think that there are dangers for those of us who are using your services?   Open your eyes and mind a little.  BOTH parties have safety concerns when meeting each other.  

And you are correct as well that it's up to her what she's comfortable charging.  Just as it's perfectly within a car mechanic's right to charge $1,000 for not fixing your car.

About time someone said what many of us are thinking...

mnborn80,
Your last paragraph says it all...a little business advice.

Great Post!

I'm gonna agree with whohash on this as well.  
That is quite ridiculous however ... It's up to the provider .  
Observations over the years tell me that
some guys aren't happy no matter what the rate is and that's on them, not anyone else.  

That's not what I heard...LOL !  
Here's some better business advice :
STAY AS FAR AWAY AS YOU CAN FROM A PROVIDERS INTERNAL BUSINESS OPERATIONS AND PERSONAL LIFE.  
Why ? Because some of you guys start trouble 100% of the time. You do. With your back channel bullshit that you think won't get back to us lol oh please save your bullying for the schoolyard where ya came from! It's not needed or helpful.  
Start off at a lower rate ? So do y'all want to handle the hagglers that this method brings when a lady decides to raise her rates after "establishing" herself? I Thought not.  
Because that's exactly what happens.
 I could show plenty of examples but that's a whole other thread.  
 You don't know those women's stories .  
They could be doing this temporarily for all you know.
 It's not mine or your business to know actually.  
I feel the same way about male MP owners, I mean here we have some guy knocking on the door before your session is through like he's some damn bouncer and places with ridiculous crossover traffic...
Oh but, that's totally worth the cost and deserves high regards right ?  
So why is it totally different for an independent lady ?  
My apologies guys, I have to step in and say something about how wrong you can be about the provider end of things

I think I said before that I could charge 60 an hour and upsell people to death again like back in the Relax-O-Lounge days if that's what they really wanted...keep in mind that if I did that it will cost twice as much as my current rates by the time I'm done.  
I'm totally saving someone from that awkward hassle the way I'm doing it. Xo V.

Thanks for mentioning the good old days of Relax-O-Lounge.  Some great times, some not so great, but great memories nonetheless

It's funny that you consider yourself a hobbyist yet you are so quick to throw out offensive terms like "a hooker's marketing plan". That shows no respect to these women that you request spend time with you.  

Its funny that I was accused of bringing up my own situation when really it is you, OldTimerB, who has decided to bring in my own situation to this thread. Having said that, I'd like to share an excerpt of a message I have copy and pasted that I received from an "unnamed hobbyist":

Give us both names. Her and her friend.

You're absolutely right...both parties take risks in these situations. I did not mean to overlook the risks that guys take as well. However, you have never been a woman so you do not know the feeling of being 100% vulnerable alone with a man you have never met.

Wonder how many guys have dropped a couple $$ on a shit time.  I know I have.  

$300 for just a nude massage does seem a bit pricey for this area .... However it is possible that the menu is far more open than you might think .... Some providers, especially on BP will advertise massage instead or in addition to escort to either "reduce" attention from LE or gain more ground in advertising.  I am not saying this is what she is doing nor do I know what she offers .... Only that in my experience some BP providers do it that way.  My advice: do not ask her but either toftt or wait to see a few of her reviews.

Or not.  It's not a rate I would pay for less than a FS provider with an open menu but if she gets enough business to keep her happy then so be it.

Upsellers, I usually just leave never to return.. negotitation for everything when the time comes is different.. I'm talking the girl that tries to get you a little worked up and frustrated at the same time.. "Wanna see a little more baby?"  

I agree 100% miss Love.

....an asswipe is also a liar!

Whatever Johnboy.

You sound like a couple of girls in an internet cat fight!  MJ's weekly Trinity shills are bad enough, we don't need to tolerate any between Friday prissy male cat fights like this is starting to sound like!  Grow some balls or I'm pulling your Man Cards!

So.....does anyone know where I can get a good massage?

"Some cash and valuables?"  Here a a differing opinion that I think you can benefit from.

This is a good reminder why I don't post a lot on here.

Well said, I also heard of a pimp hiding in someone's closet about a year ago & stepping out to beat the hobbyist with a baseball bat!
The sad thing, is the hobby-ist had supposedly seen that women before. I did hear the story second hand so take it for what it's worth but I'm sure it's not unheard of.  
    So yes there is a one sided belief on the board that the men are not at risk physically (kinda sexist right) oh well!  
This board is usually pretty sexist I've noticed, there's always a running theme that some members are quick to point out that all these providers care about is money, I don't believe that and completely know there are a lot of unique women in MN who make very valid connections with the people they see and the financial part is just a way to "kill two birds.."
We all have bills to pay.  
     Ok one last thing oldtimer ....when you discussed the Japanese girl, I remember reading what you said and thinking  
You said you did actually see her but that her hair was lighter, and I thought it was funny when someone pointed out she's famous ...so you lost credibility in my eyes, I'm just saying that's how I read that discussion too.... So I guess if you went back & said something like  
"my bad I was wrong I guess it wasn't the exact girl in the picture, but she damn sure looked like her"  or some other equivalent, then you would not have lost credibility. Anyway people shouldn't get surprised if they are called liars if they don't correct themselves when they're wrong.

I digress...both you and fuzzybear have very good points and having read them I did reflect to myself that I have never been in your shoes either so cannot totally understand that side. I appreciate the feedback and info from the guys side of things from both of you.

How in the hell do I know if it's the girl in the ad.  
I said several times it looked like or similar to or eerily the same or whatever like the girl in the ad...not all the girls in the ad but ONE picture.  

Not from any of the ladies on this thread. Maybe 1 exception

She did throw the train off the tracks- she made it about her and not the OP. I think she should sit back and listen and learn for awhile. IMO.
And her last post makes it looks like she may have found the  "the light" - to a degree. This is a good start.

If your going to talk about someone have the ball$ to name names and link, otherwise your just a little kid w/no balls.  I hate people talking  behind my back, be a man if you want honest answer.

Your not the only putting personal safety on the line.  There are threads here ab out guys getting beat up and all their $$ taken from them.

Ok, wait. In NO WAY was I attempting to make this thread about me. Please go back and read my first post, it is the first post in response to the original post that started this thread. The post simply tells my opinion of the situation whohash outlined! Obviously my own opinions come from my own experiences and observations, where else would opinions come from? I'm sorry to sound flustered I simply am very put off because I was only trying to input my thoughts on HIS situation. It was the next poster, MrDionysus, who accused me of spinning the topic around and then OldTimerB who actually brought up my fake review issue. I had ZERO intentions of that happening. I saw a post, had an opinion, and shared it. I was clear, as I always try to be on forums, that it was simply my opinon, and thus, should be taken with a grain of salt. I think that if anyone re reads my first post they will see that I focused on his issue, that of a $300 nude massage.

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Once an air mattress girl, always an air mattress girl...no matter what your rates are!

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I'm the stalker? Lol
Derp follows me everywhere I go and keeps bringing up the same tired shit.

Just so you don't get confused Derp, my visit was NOT on an air mattress!

You just proved my point.  
Recently when I reply on a post (not joined TER where you joined before me), you have to reply to my comment and bring up one of your two anal-retentive points...

As was previously mentioned, it is a matter of supply and demand in its truest form.  We as hobbyists, have allowed/encouraged price increases via our patronage of the services, as well as our comments in reviews.  We use terms such as "bargain" when paying prices of $100 which is often times for as little as 30 min and gee, she didn't even upsell me for a HJ.  It would be interesting to know the avg. hourly wage of the typical hobbyist.  I happen to be an erotic massage only hobbyist and remember the not-to-distant-past, when you could easily get a wonderful happy erotic massage for under a Hondo.  It would be interesting to compare prices for service against the rate of inflation.  Well, sorry, didn't mean to ramble.  The ladies have every right to charge whatever they please.  If you want to enjoy more reasonable pricing, it's necessary to get "JR" under control and boycott the hobby en masse. These ladies are intelligent business persons, they don't decide to increase pricing because the phone "isn't" ringing.  Which of us wouldn't choose to work half as much for double the pay if we could?  They're simply charging as the market will bear.

I am proud to say I have repeated with Kia 5 times.  I do not choose to type a new review each time.  Kia is extremely friendly , personable, sexy, beautiful and attentive to my needs each time I see her and is well worth her rate of $325.

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What are you, her little pet now?
Right...like you would know if I saw her...
I know I never called her up and said I was "OldTimerB" but either way she got way more of me than I'll ever give you.
And just so you know resistible molly, it's not her cost I object to but the quality of her services which I judge by the classiness of the lady. See I know what a $325/ hr girl with quality is like as well as a $700 lady too..isn't that your rate?...and it's not you either no matter what you tell yourself. Girls like her with selfies and signs on her ads saying 'don't waste my time' trying to build up their importance lol, they don't have "class"...not to mention how she or you act on this site. The real ladies with class don't bother with this nonsence as they have a business to run and clients to take care of...all done with class!

First time I read this it didn't hit me as hard as now.. "hooker's marketing plan"  OMG I'm about to piss my pants.. I'll be sure to call Leann if I shart myself to boot!

Good for you..enjoy Kia as often as you can. Glad you like her. Hope you continue seeing her for a long time. Marry her if it's possible for you. Seriously...

This is so true.

Case in point...

They also probably hang out with other providers and know the more specific details of why they set their rates at a certain level. Maybe they have a lot of medical bills and set their rates lower to get more business. Maybe they don't like you and are giving you a higher rate so you say no. Maybe they go to school and charge more because they don't have a lot of time during finals week. Maybe they have kids and need to charge more because it's hard to find a babysitter. Maybe they have a rich regular they takes up the majority of her time. Maybe they have a corporate job and get off on the fantasy of being a high class escort. They don't need completely obvious advice like you charge too much, the market rate is $$$ or if you lower rates you will get more business and they certainly aren't going to discuss the intricate details of their life situation on a public forum to justify their rates. Your money is your opinion, if you think it's worth it you make an appointment if you don't then you move on to the next provider. If my opinion mattered Coach purses would be given away for free and AMC theatre would not be charging $15 for two crappy old hot dogs and a Coke but some how they stay in business without my money.

I don't think molly or you Sarah have a clue either way...but say what you want.

I do know that you are making girls not want to see you . I am new and in your price range but I would never see you. You are a haggler and should not be allowed to call yourself a hobbyist. I read that you sent messages to some girls clients?! You are scum. Keep posting and continue to show providers why they should ignore appointment request from you...

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You're so funny..I don't have a "price range" as you call it. I have a "class" range and you, Kia, Molly, and any others that choose to act like you do aren't in it!

You say you wont resopnd to her, but of course you will. It has become obvious that you aren't capable of walking away. You have some twisted need to keep responding even as you make your self look worse every time you do.

Sure you have a price range. Its between 120-230 as your history shows. This class you seek you CLEARLY do not have. How classy is it to try to belittle a woman because you can't afford to spend time with her? Very classy of you ,Sir. As long as you claim you have been in this hobby,its a shame you have no etiquette. You're honestly the kind of creep that girls screen for, to stay away from. This post is more about your ridiculous views then actual helpful information. You are worse then a woman. SERIOUSLY.

I'll respond to you DJ.  
Do you know that I've seen all but one of the ladies on YOUR white list? Several of them multiple times...  
Every one of them would pick up the phone and see me as soon as they're available.
There is so much more to this story than you know.
What I don't like is you (as in the members of this forum) assuming you know the whole story with the provider who started all this...and bashing me here. If only you knew the erratic girl I know...

Sorry I just couldn't stay away from your comments.

You have yet to prove that you know this woman...nice attempt.. You are a clown. I'm so glad I saw this post. It appears that no one like you because of your lies...Just reading post looking for information to help me,all I see is YOU in the center of bs. Mr. Mangina.

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Seriously one of the best summation's  ever!  
I wish that your outlook would get posted in all newbie hobby-ist area's!  
Thank you!