On the eros escort listing if the green dot is visible on the escorts ad, it means "available now" Do I take this to mean she is available to take appointments?

Option 1: The provider is BOTH available (re: hair, makeup, etc, all done) AND checking their emails for potential appointments. However, the onus is on you, the client, to provide your screening information in a timely manner. If you have not pre-screened with that provider and you're using provider references, then your potential appointment is at the mercy of your references and their response times.  

 
Option 2: The provider is currently available via email or text to set up future engagements.

 
The rules around the "available now" feature Eros, let alone any directory, are not clear which is why you'll sometimes hear different "hot takes" on this one.

Often wondered that myself.  Thanks.  Doesn't p411 have a similar 'green dot' ?   Same thing or different?  

I'm not sure about P411's UX or their UI on the client side but they do have an "available now" board. However, depending on the provider, you could run into the need to provide a bit more real world information*.  

 
*please remember, P411 states they are not the "end all be all of screening" and actually encourages providers to ask for as much screening information as they deem necessary.

Within the last month I've noticed an uptick in clients reaching out via P411 and it's bittersweet. While it's great advertising, it's rather discouraging to see a trend that those using P411 have been blacklisted to hell and back. It's like people get on there and think they can act out of pocket. I have to believe this is one of the reasons P411 encourages us to screen past P411.

Just an observation, I've noticed a lot of post from you more or less bashing P411 in one fashion or another.  Not sure what the reason it but it always seems to lead back to additional screening or implying members are bad apples.     Over about 10 years I've not had really any issues with the platform nor have I been required to provide "additional screening" from anyone I'd like to visit with.  Granted, I do my homework and those that require over the top info just get deleted from my P411 view.  It seems most of the members are ok with 3+ or 5+ oks, but if your not why the constant bashing?

We need to make a clear distinction about being honest about P411 the platform and what they communicate to clients/ providers vs. being honest about some of the people on P411. If being honest is considered bashing, then we clearly have different thoughts on the value of being honest about something and being transparent about what the platform is communicating to one half of their user base.  

 
Since you are discussing this from your POV, please remember you are the client. Based on your post history you feel as though P411 is all that is and have issues with "over the top screening" which is fair. And of course I'm sure you haven't had any issues because 1) you started on P411 when it was truly the "thing" to have to be verified and racked up a substantial amount of "okays" and 2) with a history as long as yours, I'm sure most providers feel confident with that. However, with time things evolve. Providers have been told P411 is one thing, clients another. In addition, P411 literally tells us to screen more so I think your issue should be with P411 because I'm not bashing in any way, shape, or form.  

 
Now, some of the people on P411 are truly bad apples. Point. Blank. Period. This isn't me bashing P411 or the clients, it just is what it is. There are other ways to screen P411 clients outside of P411. All I'm saying is based off of my data over the past 8 weeks, I have seen an uptick in clients reaching out via P411 who are also blacklisted for things such as shorting the rate, NCNS, not paying cancellation fees, stealthing, pushing boundaries (like trying to get anal), lack of basic hygiene, overstaying, multiple people sharing the same P411 account, etc. Now anyone could argue that could be the case with anyone, but I find it intriguing that P411 (and sometimes P411/TER) users preach about P411 but are usually the ones heavily blacklisted.  

 
Also, this idea that P411 has never been infiltrated is far fetched and has not been debunked. Once again, providers have means to communicate with one another and our own back channels. Even if there doesn't appear to be a strong community in a city, we touch base with one another if we know something is up. There have been stings in other cities where LE had access to a client accounts and were able to bust providers.  

 
Again, P411 is great in theory; however in practice it has its flaws yet I still use it. But as I said before, if being honest about a platform (a business) is considered bashing, then it begs the question: why are you here?

Fair enough.  Seems like some of the things you rehash are very old news equivalent to saying "this happened once so beware".  Personally I feel the P4 platform is the best out there, best by a longshot.  Others may not feel that way but it's my experience.  Is anything 100%? never, nothing in life is risk free.  For the most part P4 is as risk free as it gets for me (with additional research), so much so that that anyone that is not on there is not even considered.

I'm not going to say P411 doesn't have its flaws or that there are no bad members on there, both providers and clients.  On the other hand though I've never seen anyone complain about P411 as much as you do.  I've never seen anyone even come close.  It really does feel to me like you have an axe to grind with them.

What you may view as "complaining", I view as "constructive criticism" of a platform. There is absolutely no "axe to grind" but I'm also not going to sit here and let people be ignorant to the flaws of the platform. The gentlemen on the this platform (re: TER) want provider interaction but when they get interaction that doesn't feed into their rose colored glasses version of this world, we end up with... this (re: she's complaining, she's negative, etc). And I'm not mad, I get it. It's just a played out trope is all.  

 
In addition, I find it intriguing that instead of focusing on the issues with P411, the high number of P411 clients being heavily blacklisted, and that P411 knows this which is why they encourage outside screening, we are instead shifting the focus to my feedback about a platform. There is quite a bit of pivoting going on to convey something else that isn't true.  

 
It's unfortunate that some people find me engaging in intellectual discourse regarding this topic colors me into a person who is perceived as "negative", "bashing", and "confrontational", etc. When in reality, I'm just trying to engage and have interesting discussions. No matter what, stay safe y'all!

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I welcome your participation on this board. But I do disagree with you on a number of topics.  To some degree, your take on P411 is one of them.  As I said before, I'm under no illusions that P411 is perfect.  But I'm not the only one who has noticed how often you criticize P411.  It does stand out.  Of course, I don't see what you see on P411 as we occupy opposite "membership types" on it.  Perhaps if I saw what you see, I would take a different position.  Perhaps not.  Perhaps P411 is better than your view of it is.  It's easy for people to establish a view of something, either positive or negative, and then readily accept information that reinforces that view while discounting information that does not.  And that can be said about any of us who deal or have dealt with P411.

A person can think something is great and still take issue with it. The same can be said for TER and P411. I can believe TER and P411 are  good and helpful (which I do and have said before) but take issue with some of their practices. A parallel might be being an American. We can love living here, being a citizen here, etc., AND still insert whatever constructive criticism you have about our country. It doesn't invalidate how much you like something or see the benefit in something.  

 
"Of course, I don't see what you see on P411 as we occupy opposite "membership types" on it.  Perhaps if I saw what you see..."
That statement is what I'm getting at. Clients do not see what we see. I can only be so frank with my discussion points because to go further in depth would mean shedding light on different ways and platforms we use for screening which is a boundary we don't cross. I am speaking from my experience and shared experiences with other colleagues that there has been an uptick in P411 clients who are heavily blacklisted. The real question should be, "How are these clients still on P411? And what policies could P411 implement to strengthen their screening like ongoing screening via blacklists, etc" but instead there is pivoting happening because it's easier to make someone look negative than to have a deeper discussion.  

 
And as to the frequency of the constructive criticism... maybe the frequency wouldn't be as great if people didn't keep asking the same questions about P411, screening, etc. But that is the point of a board like this. Instead of people using the search function to find similar posts, they're going to ask and the cycle continues.  So the more often the same questions get asked, the more often you'll see some of the same responses. But what do I know... I'm just an opinionated harlot who seems to get under some of y'alls skin.

Looking at a few green dots currently and they say “on” so I take that as the provider is logged onto their account. Whether they are looking at their page or if it’s just on in the back ground is another story.

Suppose, for the sake of argument, I accept that what you say is happening is accurate.  We both agree the guys have no direct visibility into this problem.  All we have is what you tell us.  So, what exactly is it you want?  It looks to me like you want P411 to crack down on guys who behave deplorably.  Sounds good to me but that's something you and other providers have to complain to P411 about as you are the ones going through it.  None of these guys are talking to me about their bad behavior.  I have no direct evidence I could take to P411.  I have no particular influence with P411.  I doubt anyone reading this has evidence or pull either.

So when you say 'The real question should be, "How are these clients still on P411? And what policies could P411 implement to strengthen their screening like ongoing screening via blacklists, etc"' my response is that in the general case I don't see what it is you think we can do beyond agreeing that such behavior is deplorable.

I've been involved in P4P for over 20 years now and the number of times I've actually been able to help a provider with anything beyond being a good client is quite small and the circumstances were specific to her situation at that time.  I've made suggestions in the past but very often that suggestion is that the provider needs to talk to some other providers as they can actually provide useful information.

"I find it intriguing that instead of focusing on the issues with P411, the high number of P411 clients being heavily blacklisted and that P411 knows this which is why they encourage outside screening, we are instead shifting the focus to my feedback about a platform."

So you are saying, out of 10's of thousands of male members on the platform (I won't give the exact number but it's significant) according to you a "high number" are "heavily blacklisted"?  What is considered a "high number" when there is that many members? 1k, 5k, 10k? Or is it more like like 2 to 5?  Do you really have hundreds or thousands of blacklisted members contacting you directly from P411? It appears you are really over exaggerating things.

Nothing is 100% and I cannot help you straighten out the issues that you have on that platform, nobody here can.  I'd suggest that instead of grinding an ax over an over about it here to make sure "everyone knows", go to them and tell them what they need to do to ease your concerns.  If they refuse, tell them you are leaving.  if I had hundreds or thousands of blacklisted people contacting me from a platform, I'd be gone in a flash.