As he's probably looking for another "atf/reg"  

Last nov/ Dec I met a guy that i screened. Seemed safe, he's a verified business is owner and gave me his personal info. My rate was 260hr at the time and he had asked if I was okay with 200. It was kind of irritating that he's now asking me incriminating info after screening but he lived super close to me and I had nothing going on. I specifically told him Il do it this time but I'm usually not going to be able to.

Meeting went fine, met him once more between now and then for same arrangement. He messages me a lot, kind of insulted that i dont respond a lot (because at this point i do 300hr and it's 100$ off. He knows that and says he's a regular and will come a lot. NOT REALIZING THAT'S WHY I WOULDN'T WANT HIM AS A REG)but I told him i would make time (as he has been texting almost every day for 2 weeks)

Well yesterday I forgot to ask for $ first. Big mistake. He stays for about an hour and says "man you wore me out I can't even stay the full time" and gives me 4 20s. I'm thinking, please dont. Please fucking don't punish me for not wanting to ruin your fantasy with a "can I get the $" . I knew him. I had been nothing but sweet and accomodating to him. I said no way your not going to do this to me and he basically says "I've been trying to get a hold of you and your rates are crazy anyways, besides we were only Doing it for about 30" (it was 40 min and 20 min of trying on outfits for him before we got started. He was absolutely here the full hour and it wouldn't even matter if he chose to leave early) and leaves another 20 on my dresser.

As I'm bitching he then claims that's all he has and starts half ass emptying his pockets as he's walking toward my door.

I dont know if he planned on scamming me to begin with or is Just opportunistic and preyed on my stupidity/trust. Regardless, he is a scammer.  

I mean that's basically a rob to me. He knew Damn well what he was doing the whole time. I think pushing the session intensity immediately just so I WOULDN'T ask. I can't believe I fell for this. He absolutely knows I would never be okay with that. He just got a 300$ session for basically nothing (100$) and Its not even about money it's just violating. I dont even particularly care about the money, that's the only good part of this is that it wasn't that much. Still an absolutely flagrant scam though. I  assume a grown ass man will make grown ass man decisions.  

I hate guys like this. They ruin the trust/innocence for other trustworthy people. Its just another lesson on always having to be aware... Even when you think you know/ trust someone.

Tl;dr
Booked an hour @ grandfathered discounted 200/hr, knew him and didnt think to get $ first. He gives me a few 20s and insults my rates.

Ps, and regarding DNS's, another guy i haven't met has been sending harassing/ borderline threatening texts saying cops are coming to clean up the cities trash ect after inquiring a few times. Not even sure why he's targeting me. Pm for details on both.  

Pm me for info. Id post here but I think it's against the rules.

Hate to bitch, I know you guys dont need to hear this stuff and probably dont care. I know most are wonderful and would never even think to pull this type of bs. I would post it on provider board if I was accepted. Just giving a heads up and maybe venting a bit ;

Sounds like Eddy and his ugly little friend are playing games with you.

It's guys like this that screw things up for us nice guys out there. I understand sometimes people have problems coming up with full rates (been there, done that) for one reason or another, but if you're lucky enough to find a lady to help you out, you damn well better be extremely appreciative.  
Sorry this happened to you. Don't hold it against the good guys out there. Pricks like this are the reason people become jaded in this industry.

Were his sessions with you at the discounted rate of $200?  You mentioned that he negotiated a discounted rate on the first date but you replying just this once.  You mentioned you saw him again between then and now....at the discounted rate?  

On the other hand, for him to short you is total bullshit, so I'm not in any way condoning his actions.  However, it seems as if you left some grey areas open.  My advice for your future...leave nothing to chance, keep things simple and as black and white as possible.  I am not saying you are at fault...this is only some friendly advice from a person who deals in negotiations all day, every day.  I wish you much success.

Sorry this happened, and I don't mind the "venting" in here. If you can't tell us, whom can you  tell? And if we don't  want to read, we can just move along.

I'm  sure you've  received and will receive  more advice. My guess is that you've  decided to not see that bum anymore - and IMO, you shouldn't.  Tell him straight up he shorted you and that's not cool. This is a business transaction and he cheated you after you actually helped him a few times with lower rates. And to short you so badly the last time is just plain insulting. Maybe he's  decided he's  not going to  see  you  again  which is  why he did that.

As far as the other clown, remind him you have his number and personal  details, so if LE  comes for you you'll  be  happy  to share his info. What a little  twit he is.

and shorting is worse.  
That sucks!

Your rates are average for our market.  That guy is a dumbass.  I don't have that much money either, but I don't short the ladies or take it out on them.  I just have a professional date once every couple months, and in the meantime I play in the even more frustrating civie dating scene.  I count my blessings; my ATF voluntarily grandfathers my rates.  Probably because I DON'T push for lower rates.

It's best to NEVER offer anyone a discount and to RARELY offer to grandfather.  
TOO many take advantage of it.  Been there, done that.

I don't make a habit of blacklisting, matter of fact I think I've only done it once or twice in extremely dangerous conditions, but that's definitely worth a blacklist. What an ass to take advantage of you for all those visits and then flat out rip you off! Don't let it get to you though. Karma will prevail and he'll get his in due time. Just blacklist, block him on all sites & with phone/email, and move on to better clients and a happier life without the low balling/theif dickhead.

Keep your head up gorgeous and I'm sending a pm for his info.  

Laney Luvs Ya!

See for example:

https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=824709&boardID=12&page=#824709

But whatever crime this guy committed, he probably assumes you won't press charges. Which is too bad as I'd love to see his sorry ass land in jail.  

As for the assumption that a grown man will make grown man decisions... we've seen many many examples right here on this board of people who by age and appearance are "men" but have no idea what it means to think and act like a man.  And here's yet another example.  

... but still, she didn't consent to a full hour session at half his accustomed rate. In civil court he would lose his case. Men don't short Providers no matter what. In this case, the opposite of being a man is to be a predator. Blacklist the fucker and name him to shame him!

Yes, under paying anyone for service is wrong, but its NOT rape. They agreed to fuck for cash. She just got less than agreed $.

Same goes to provides who advertised 100000% me or its free, been to many of these but have not yet got anything for free.

I wish ALL providers knew about this jagg-off!  I don't want to be the 1st to see someone after she's experienced something like that. I don't blame you for being shaken/bothered!  Remember, there are good guys out here

 

 


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The guy is a douche nozzle for sure, but because of the avoidance of explicit pay for play, no legal contractual obligation is ever established.  And it is certainly not "rape" in the old fashioned definition which requires either intimidation or the the inability to consent.  

We're on the honor system and we depend on community enforcement of mores. Exposure is therefore justified.

We wonder why the better girls in this business give it up. It's because subhuman scum like this don't know how to be a gentleman.  

And yes, this is a form of abuse. I so wish you could out him.

My advice would be to stick to a list of known regulars. Of which, I am not one and I would love to meet you... so I am not doing myself any favors by saying that! But, it needs to be said.

Sorry this dude BS'd you.  

It shouldn't happen, but it happened. Chalk it up to a lesson learned and move on? It's never good to simmer on a dick.  

I have been on your end of the equation, for time.   Naming names here in a moot point as the "lady(ies)" do not travel.  
     ** none of them are reviewed by me as nothing 'happened' which can justify a "fictional" story.  

Pass their names around to all the ladies you know and they will regret it sooner or later

CrushedFlowers,

Be one of her "regulars" in your mind first. See it happening and then take action and contact her. You never know...she's a sweet girl according to what I've been told.

Let's say this guy goes into a restaurant and says " I will be a regular here if you give me one third off the price!"  My guess is he would be asked to leave after the laughter died down.
The point is , the price is the price in any business.

 You also don't get to deduct from the check if you don't finish all your meal just because you are full.

The guy is a jackass in every manner of the word, and not worthy of anyone's time!

This is load of crap. I deal with customers everyday in very large orders, some times in the millions, and they all ask for discount. Either telling, they'll only source it from me, or if they double the order if additional discount can be had.

Sorry this happened to you.   I wish it was possible to make all girls aware of guys like him,  but he ill just move on to some new girl that he can push around

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Guys like this are no better and no worse than the "ROB" girls. Both are scum. We should ALL, both providers and hobbyists, do our best to eliminate all of them.

I also deal with customers as Talon does that request discounts of various types. It's all part of business negotiations.

In silvertongue's restaurant analogy, one place I often frequent, they often give me free drinks, free food, etc. even though I've never asked just because I'm a good customer.

I think the issue here is in one case, the customer "asks for" discounts and it's an acceptable business practice. In the other, the customer is "offered" discounts to reward their loyalty.

I've noticed in this hobby that some ladies "reward" loyal customers in various ways while others never do.

I have never waited until after sexy time to pay a girl. My routine is and always has been to walk in the room, look for a table or a shelf and put the donation there. I guess I learned it from Miami Companions and I just thought that was how it was done. If I was a provider, I wouldn't think I was being tacky to ask for the donation up front, even from a long time regular.

I commend you for having the audacity to come forward publicly about this incident & hope he is reading this all though I doubt he'll lose sleep over it. Self entitled Narcissists are like that but at least you won't lose any sleep either knowing you did what you needed to do to help others stay safe in this industry.  

In terms of advice, I'm not clear that is what you are seeking or just want to get the word out but if it's any help to you or others I'd like to share my thoughts.

His actions were obviously intentional & qualifies as a deliberate, calculated ROB & he should be Blacklisted. Who knows how many others he has pulled this stunt on & I take the risk to say, there HAVE been others before you & WILL be others after you.

As far as how his behavior impacts your business choices in the future, that is something only you can evaluate. Think of YOUR long & short term goals. Is there room for negotiation? Is this someone you even want to negotiate with? Etc... I think you get my drift.  

I'd love to share more but prefer to do so privately. Ladies need to keep some info close to their chests. Feel free to contact me privately if you are interested in hearing more. In the meantime, stay safe & please know this guy is a minority & OH! did I mention a real Jack-Ass!!!

Fondly,
Leigh-Ann

Rip off asshole.

Let's not get hysterical now. Is the guy a Douche . Yeah but rape . Not really that close. I'm no way was she forced to do anything against her will . Sorry this happened but this is way more often the case from client side, 30-40min for 1 hrs fee. Not cool to short either party.

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Of course its not rape, holding a girl down/ violently threatening them is on a completely other level than what happened to me. Calling this rape would be insulting to legitimate rape victims, as much as i think he is a slimy piece of shit. If anything its closer to fraud/ fraudently obtaining services, but i do agree its tough to attach those kind of legal terms to this business. I inherently attach a $ to my intimacy in doing this so i cant really call someone a rapist if they scam me unless they forcefully do something against my will.

And regarding people that say his version would be that i shorted him on time, i did not. He was telling me he was going to try to go twice before we even started and i told him thats fine. I didnt kick him out or rush him in any way, after the first i was basically mentally preparing for the second when he said i wore him out and hes not gonna be able to stay.  

Also "we were only doing it for 30" was not in reference to the whole time he was here, just his perception of how long we were... Connecting

And yes, discounts are tacky. This all started a looong time ago and he really was just someone i was doing a favor for. Thats how i saw it. He was getting double time as it was and it turned out he got about double time for half $.

A certain person paid you in advanced because you needed the extra $. He tried to make appointment two weeks later, and you told him you were in jail, among other excuses. This person even showed me your text saying you'll give him back his $. He tried for another two weeks, and zero reply from you, and has given up. You and your pimping bf are all about the $$$.

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That give me something like "double for half the price".  

Not talking about a McD's supersize drink for a $1 for the smart asses here.