Lately I've been reading posts and getting PM's about
providers who have been doing BBFS. If I haven't seen
them I wouldn't know but those who I've seen have
offered anything but that. You can tell if it is available
and when it absolutely is not. I think some guys like
to make themselves seem like the hottest lovers out
there and claim that as their conquest. I've been around
for years in the hobby and most times these tales are just
that. Tales. Like Grimm's fairy tales.

I am shocked to see how often a BBFS comment or thread is mentioned on this site. When I started a few years back, it was NEVER mentioned or even considered.

Carelessness has caused me to re-evaluate my business. I must protect myself. I am quite happy with my current clientele and lady peers. I rarely entertain or do doubles with anyone I don't already know now, and see no reason to go outside my circle. My website is being revamped, and I am debating removing all my info by the end of this year. A few things have contributed to these decisions, but the continued BBFS topics/issues and REQUESTS have played a big part in making these changes.

So to the OP, if you haven't run across any dealings with it, good for you, but that doesn't mean it is not happening. The mere fact it is being discussed so often is a clear indication it is going on.

Please play safe everyone.

For too many reasons to list.  Dumb to ask for it.  Dumb to do it.  Dumber if you say you did.

..Wood.

Some guys are stupid for doing it. Some are stupid for bragging about it. Some are stupid for lying about it. I think there's more of that than the first two. As Forrest Gump said. Stupid is as stupid does. .

so true brother.  I am a big believer of stupid questions get you stupid answers.  lots of newbs asking dumb questions.  just avoid them is the best advice.

I am a little surprised that the BBFS discussion even shows up on this board.  BBFS and 15 min meetings go hand and hand in being low class. The ladies might enjoy the company of some of their clients but the probability of them looking at their clients as "the hottest lovers" is very doubtful.
I feel sorry for the girls that have to field any questions or inquiry's about stupid ideas like BBFS and 15 mins of fame. But guys, we can keep this TER board to a higher standard. The majority of us are educated, affluent and reasonable adults so lets behave like so.
I for one like to fly UTR and in known circles. Sure I like to try new things, isn't that one of the reasons we are here, but lets all be smart about it and protect each other.
If a provider wants references, then give them references. If you are new or dont have references, then be nice about it. Offer as much info as you can and then offer for a 2 hr date where you start your meeting at the local star bucks. Think long term in your approach.
Those of us who have been around for a while know we have a good thing going. Just look at the last M&G. But it is all of our responsibility to protect it.
Sorry for the rant. This one just set me off.

UTR and M&G. Some sort of disconnect.
I've been UTR for several years and that's
why I don't attend.

...I've never been offered BBFS in the 11 years I've been on TER.  The subject has never even come up.

I was curious about all the talk so I asked some providers if guys ask for BBFS.  All of them said "Yes" and I would be surprised just how many guys ask for it.  They said I'd be even more surprised at the type of guys who ask for it - usually medical professionals.

It seems most of the BBFS talk is from the guys asking for it.  I believe the overwhelming majority of TER providers are responsible women who wouldn't cave in to the pressure.  Of course there are always exceptions, but they are probably very few.

It is sad that some guys feel the need to lie about these things and damage a lady's reputation or potentially put her at risk, but what I find even more sad is that there are many ladies who seem to be okay with either the implication or the act of BBFS.

Whenever I receive a gentleman's screening form, I check his references, and if I am not familiar with either of the ladies, I will check their profiles and quickly scan a few of their most recent reviews to make sure she does not have any unsafe habits that could put me at risk. I realize that some guys don't review their "visits to the dark side", some girls ask reviewers to keep their "dirt on the down low," but at the very least I can screen out the ones that are dumb enough to advertize it.

Very often I will see things that are but a small step short of BBFS. As an example, if the profile says "massage:privates to privates" it is a red flag to me... I then read the review and I often see a description of what could be interpreted as very unsafe practices. To me that is all the confirmation I need that it is better not to risk a meeting.

I have recently read a review that stated "I wanted to take a trip to Greece but she didn't have any lube left, oh well, we did it anyway but slow because she was in pain, then the condom broke so we finished with her hand..." *Clunk* That was the sound of me falling off my chair.  Another review I recently read talks about a "5 minute stripper slide"... I think we might as well call that one BBFS, especially since that "lady" has many, many, many reviews that don't mention the use of condoms at all... Just tons of activities that nobody (man or woman) in their right mind should consider doing with a stranger without protection... But apparently this girl did, and she did it with a lot of men... It is puzzling.

What really bugs me is that many gentlemen who spend time with escorts have families, ergo many of those who either engage in uncovered intercourse or who are meeting women that do that with several (possibly dozens of) men, are also familymen. Yes, we are all just a degree removed from someone who is currently having unprotected sex with someone that we might meet in the future, so even with the best possible safety measures used, everyone is still at risk, paid or unpaid companionship, it is just the reality of our times... But you can reduce your risk by about 95% simply by using condoms. Why do some people still opt against it? Why would you ever put your health and your loved ones' health at risk? I don't care what someone tells you, how "clean" they seem, how recent they claims their tests are, don't be stupid! It only takes a minute to do some irreparable damage to your health. If nothing else holds you back, not the potential pain, the medical bills, the embarrassment, the necessary awkward confession, just remember what a scorned wife is capable of...

Modified: article below deleted due to personal information... but google "wife arranging hit on husband for giving her STD"

-- Modified on 2/4/2013 4:03:57 PM

Thanks for quoting my review.

What bothers me is posts like this or ter pm's with information from a person with a questionable agenda. These posts actually bring in men looking for what I don't provide. My reviews are highly trafficked everyday and read in detail. Because of this, you might as well have written my name. There was no need at all to quote my review nor discuss my reviews. In fact, why did you read all of my reviews?  You didn't read them for screening purposes, it was clearly another attempt of character assassination by yet another provider.

It's not a requirement for a hobbyist to post whether the cover was on. Some men will write that the cover went on in their review and some could care less about writing it. It's up to the reviewer to post what's most memorable to them in their review. Nobody needs that detailed of a play by play reporting every little thing that happened in their review. Men would rather skip to writing about the good action instead of writing things such as "she washed her hands, she put the cover on, she went to the kitchen, etc."

Stripper slide is a stripper slide. Nothing more. If you're not comfortable with providing it, it's unfair to burn a girl who's comfortable with this on a very YMMV basis. There's no need for you to be concerned with anyone else if you're focusing on yourself and being as safe as possible during your appointments.

...for TER to delete/Ban all reviews that reference BBFS. No more false stories...If I was a provider who had a review claiming I allowed that I would just snap.

If there are those that are engaging in such risky activities..so be it ...but we shouldn't, nor should TER memorialize it...

What say Admin?

But the more important issue here is the misconception about stripper slides and other activities involving privates to privates contact without any barrier.

Most sexual activities (regardless of the circumstances, payment involved or not) carry a risk... Obviously, some things are riskier than others. When part (or all) of a woman’s job is focused on sexual activity, she needs to calculate her risks carefully. Assuming that one has a healthy body to start with, there are certain things one can do to assure that it stays that way. On one end of the spectrum there are the ladies who cover everything and don’t take any risks. On the other hand there are those who cover nothing and play Russian roulette with their lives – they probably have nothing to lose at this point. The majority of women on here fall somewhere inbetween. As long as someone is aware of the risks she (or he) is taking, that’s all that matters. However, unfortunately, many don’t seem to be aware that a “stripper slide” carries the same risks that BBFS does.

During any kind of sexual activity there are bodily fluids present. There are ways to avoid contact between your privates and the other person’s fluids (wiping the area clean, using a condom), but if that isn’t done and the exchange of fluids is encouraged (aka rubbing your privates together), unfortunately any disease either of the parties might have would most likely be passed onto the other. Yes, most STD's can be spread by bodily fluids (vaginal lubrication and pre-ejaculate fluids) and many others can be passed on by skin to skin contact. Most STD’s have visible signs, but since not many of us are trained physicians in our real lives, our likelihood of recognizing some lesser known STD’s is a bit diminished…  Then there are STD’s with no visible sign. That is why it is prudent to limit the exchange of fluids with a partner whose medical history unfortunately you have no way of knowing.

As an example, herpes is an incurable disease that can be passed on by someone who has it at any given time, because viral shedding can occur even when there is no outbreak present. The odds of infection are highest during an outbreak, lower when the person is asymptomatic and lowest if the person is on medication (e.g. daily Valtrex as suppressive therapy). That means that if the person you are exchanging bodily fluids with (rubbing your genitals together or having unprotected intercourse) has an active herpes outbreak, your odds of catching it are very, very high... If the virus is in remission and the outbreak just ended a few days ago (or one is just coming on) there would not be visible signs of herpes, but catching the disease is still very likely, obviously. And if the person is at least responsible enough to take suppressive medication, you are in luck, your odds of getting herpes are down to about 2%... But that's still a 2% chance of getting an incurable STD. And that's just one of the many, many STD's you could get from rubbing your genitals against someone else's.

So again, to stand any chance at protecting yourself from any STD’s, (herpes in this example), you would have to look at your partners genitals very carefully to see if there is anything that appears to be a herpes liaison, and if there is, terminate the session then and there. But if things are as heated as many reviewers like to describe, combing through someone’s pubic hair and inspecting him left and right might not always happen, (or might not always be feasible, as some people have excess pubic hair, etc.) in which case limiting exposure (along with not having open cuts on your skin, washing with antibacterial soap, wiping away any fluids if necessary) might be one’s best bet and that is done by the use of condoms, before any contact occurs between the genitals.

Oral sex carries risks too, but there seems to be a consensus that most STD’s (HIV included) do not survive well in saliva, and the mouth is also less susceptible to most issues. When fluids are diluted by saliva, your odds are pretty good, though you are still at risk. Your privates unfortunately are much less protected.
Okay, enough medical talk…

While I’m not sure whether “gymrat1” is the person I referred to, or someone else “fishing” (it wouldn’t be a first…) If it is her, feel free to PM me. I have no stake in your health one way or the other, but I urge you, just like I urge anyone, to reconsider the risks you are willing to take. You have your whole life ahead of you… Even if you choose to do this with your life, in the long run, protecting your health will go a long way. My post was in no way meant to be a "character assassination", if I wanted to do that I would have named you… I quoted a part of one of your reviews that is publicly available on this site, and used it as an example of risky behavior because that is what it is, and as such, it is something most of us avoid any connection with (such as sharing partners, etc). If the review was false, it can always be reported though, but it sounds like it was accurate (if this poster is the person I referred to).

I second that emotion.

Sometimes I get the impression that the  reference to putting
on the condom is so obvious and stilted that I begin to feel like
that was put there intentionally because no condom was used.
Anybody get that impression also?

Not quite the same but risky nonetheless.
Very rare and almost impossible to contract HIV from oral sex.
Not so rare for herpes, genital warts, gonorreah,  chlamydia and syphilis.
It's amazing more don't have it.
Or do they???

Of course they do.  A hobbyist/provider is quick to use a cover to protect his/her penis/vagina but not his/her mouth.  I'm guilty of this unsafe pleasure BBBJ/Rimming ( my WELL GROOMED REGULARS).  We all take chances in this  business, but the bottom line BBBJ, DATY and RIMMING put us at risk for numerous THROAT INFECTIONS/STD'S.  

Everything natural feels good... but enter, lick or suck at your own Risk.

They only started allowing them a year or so ago, and banning reviews does not mean it isnt happening.

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