Hey guys - just a brief research note and maybe someone can pick up the free VIP days: Ella and Ella are the same women!

This happens a lot. Many of the girls that tour have a few TER accounts scattered throughout the cities they visit.

so why not take credit for it? Should just be a simple Problem Report from the older of the two profiles -- they both use the same (or at least some -- didn't check too closely) pics.

For a while now, Ter has done nothing about merging existing profile problem reports from my side so far, even though girls used same pictures in both ads and near identical names.

when they go to a different city, the first reviewer that sets up the profile fails to check first and see if she already has a profile under the same name WITH THE SAME PHOTOS in a different city.  

There are times where they won't merge the profiles as they don't really have more than the claim someone makes -- and that someone is not the provider. In this case, since the two profiles are using the same pics and the same name I would expect the admins would not have issues with merging them. Assuming of course the person reporting the issue does more than say "these are the same provider" such as "it's clearly the case these are profiles of the same provider: same pictures, and they even use the same name."

I did try it myself. I reported a girl who is clearly the same girl, using same pics in neighboring agencies. Her name was changed by one letter in the other org. Both orgs had same pics up at the time.

If the same provider gets a bunch of different profiles and review sets just how easy is it to track bad actors? Or really GOOD actors for that matter.

The main problem here imo is lack of universal pics attached to ter Id. It makes it easier for TER to host ad free environment because hosting images is expensive, but also means that if link in profile is replaced, good luck tracing the girl just by her name and area.  

Kind of like what you did, right?

Yes, having a pic DB here would be of value. But my point was if you have to dig up four or five different profiles to see all reviews that can be a lot of work -- especially if the names change when they are touring in different cities. Putting some effort into consolidating all the reviews into a common profile makes the evaluation much easier.

is looking cute. Upon closer inspection, all the girls appear to have similar likes / interests on the website.

There was already an OC profile when I wrote my review, so I posted it there.  Read my post again.  The problem is when the FIRST reviewer  WHO SETS UP THE PROFILE does not look for the girl elsewhere first.  If there is already a profile in YOUR town, you post it there.  We all depend on the Reviewer who starts a new profile to see if the girl is already on TER or not, if he can.  If there are no photos elsewhere, you can't really know if its the same girl, can you?  

Oh I fully agree. But because you can only do it through ter and it's lagging, it's kinda worthless. We are the outliers. Most mongers don't do research some of us do. I don't expect mongers to have the same tools and access to the type of info I have, for example. And there's only so many psas I can do about rebrands that will be noticed.  

as some general statement but that you try submitting a problem report for these two profiles specifically to see if something happens.

In NYC, many K-girls would end up with multiple Profiles as they flit from KMP to KMP.  (West coast K-girls would be KMP girls and/or agency AAMP girls in NYC. To me, they are still K-girls.)  
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I would be fairly diligent trying to merge duplicate profiles and preventing the merger of non-identical profiles. I almost always had to submit best evidence = ad photos. Once merged, it is impossible to un-merge and disentangle the mess.  I would submit reviews with GENERAL INFO along the lines of "This Coco is NOT Coco TER ID ######, Coco TER ID ###### or Coco TER ######. This Coco was previously Cherry TER ID ###### at Happy Spa and Lucky TER ID ###### at Butterfly Garden."
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Despite my best efforts, different Coco-s, Cherry-s, et al-s Profiles would be merged. I just noticed that the "original" and real Cherry / Lexy TER ID: 153417 has recent reviews(!). The real Cherry retired in 2014 or so. The most recent pics for 153417 are definitely NOT the original Cherry.  Those merges will never be undone.  
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Other times, I tried to effect a merge by Problem Reports and Contact Us. I would testify that "I know Coco ###### (see my review) and I just met with Lucky ######. Coco and Lucky are the same Provider! Please merge." but if Coco #####'s ad photos had been deleted, it was tough to prove to TER. "I was in the room! It's her!"  
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Everybody here knows what I'm talking about.
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And I have pined for the old websites such as the one maintained by The League that archived lots of photos so we (and TER) could keep track of who is who.  It is probably much more important in the K-girl, AMP world than in the regular TER world.

Like I've said, I've submitted several of these and I haven't seen anything happen with those profiles. One of the girls already moved to another org.

Didn't your review say you "TOFTT"?

You would know that there is usually about two weeks lag time in writing my reviews, so follow this closely young man. I will make it so simple even the village idiot can understand.  TOFTT means AT THE TIME I SAW HER, she had no reviews, but when I wrote my review two weeks later, by then, she had two other reviews.  If you don't understand, make another comment like you did and I will try to dumb it down for you even more.  

Thanks for confirming you are so stupid you couldn't find her existing reviews.

I don't want to take advantage of you if you have some kind of mental condition, but I will dumb this down even further for you just this once. . . .

Many guys don't review a new girl immediately because if they do, it's easy for the booker to match the TER name with the customer.

56 reviews.

I’m clearly a slacker. Not only do I have far fewer reviews than you do (I’m clearly never going to challenge that). But you have way more stalkers than my paltry one.  

Is there any drawback to that? Do bookers not like us reviewing the girls on here?

There is more to it than this. But the basic premise is that maintaining your anonymity in this community is very important.

I have had dozens, MANY dozens of stalkers on the various TER boards, most of whom have followed me from board to board where their ONLY posts on those boards were in a vain attempt to get me to pay attention to them.  

to you,  if its happy hour, I could turn you into a flame thrower!!!  Badaboom.  Lol

She has 56 reviews in Philly and 3 reviews in SoCal.  So what?  Since you have zero reviews and have been here barely long enough rub one out, I take it that, even though every poster here has done the honorable thing, and allowed you time to combine the two profiles because you are the one who found them, I'm betting you know have a clue how to do it.  Am I right?  Seriously, when  are you going to actually see a Kgirl and write a review?  We pretty much have you pegged as a lurker now.  Do you drool a lot?  Does your mom know you're on an adult board when she's not supervising  you?  

Ella AKA Katie

In your  January 2021 "TOFTT" review of Ella TER ID 356558, you pretend you have never seen her when in fact you already reviewed her under the name Katy TER ID 349210 in May 2020.  

She was "Katy" TER ID 349210 rather than "Katie"  when I saw her in WLA a few times in April/May 2020.  Those are the only times I saw her but she's using the same pics now as Ella.

where I said I have never seen her before.  If you can't, then GFY.  It was a TOFTT booking because I did not recognize her photos and thought I was seeing a new girl until I got there.  

I believe he's talking about how you didn't say she's a rebrand or someone you saw before, in your review.
I don't think you necessarily have to put a name if you don't want to "out" her. But I'd imagine you should at least indicate that it's a rebrand.  

anonymous, or at least UTR.   All of us want to write honest reviews without the pressure of being BL'd if the bookers or the girls don't like them.  Because of the volume these girls do, if you post the review two weeks after you saw her, its going to be extremely difficult for either of them to say for sure who the reviewer is.  On the other hand, if you see her on her first day at a new location, and go home and write the review that night, you might be one of only three or four guys who saw her that day, and it will easier form them to narrow it down to you.  If its a negative review, there can be blowback.  This is why I don't review the indies I see anymore, because they are much lower volume and when I was reviewing them on AF, I would get all kinds of blowback if they didn't like my review.  Two weeks later, if you didn't repeat, the girl is probably not going to be able to put your face to any particular review.  Bookers love positive reviews because they drive the business to the girls.  Not so much with the negative reviews.

Dude, you see literally hundreds of kgirls. You aren't the only one who sees rebrand. Saying it's a rebrand does not put you under any risk whatsoever. You're also on record saying that you don't write reviews immediately,as they take time.  

for the rebrand is other than safety-related.  If its a rebrand because she's running from bad reviews under the former name, then I would mention it, but if she is hiding from an ex-boyfriend, stalker, or the BBFS hounds, then I would not.  If I don't know for sure, I will risk erring on the side of keeping her safe.  

Saying she is a rebrand is not naming her. Hundreds of girls are rebrands. Simply saying I think I saw her before under a different name is not outing her in any way.  

If I say she is a rebrand, it will take someone all of five minutes to out her.  She got outed anyway on this board, but its not on me and never will be.   I know you think protecting a girl that is hiding from an abusive SO is not "monger-friendly", but I would do it for a civvie girl, too.  I'm not saying that is her reason for a name change.  She did not share it with me, but as I said above, I will always err on the side of safety.  The high number of Kgirls that have stalkers is one of the dirty little secrets of this biz.  It happens a lot more than you probably want to believe.

Anybody who claims that a kgirl’s job can’t be (and far too frequently is) rather dangerous is lying. If they go so far as to say we should put our convenience and pleasure above a girl’s safety, then the best thing is to just ignore them, I think. Even arguing with someone trying to sell that line just propagates a false and harmful narrative, in my opinion.

If you think that, you shouldn't even have a voice when talking about profile merging to help mongers.  

be for merging AFTER she has left OC.  I already know you are willing to ignore safety concerns for the Kgirls in order to be  pro-monger, but a lot of mongers don't use good judgment when it comes to the concerns of working girls.  Sometimes, its through lack of experience, and other times, its just being forgetful that  this is an illegal biz, and like many things illegal, there is a dark side that is not always apparent to the Pollyanna's.  A Kgirl can't merely go to court and get a restraining order to keep a stalker away without admitting she is a sex worker.  They will be asked how she met the guy or what is their prior relationship.  Its a standard question.  

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So then, identifying and merging profiles of rebrands is ok in your eyes as long as it happens outside of oc/LA? Or is it after she stops using that name?

Did you get knocked in the head too many times when you were younger?

the main point of my post, and that is safety concerns for the girls.  Apparently, you believe that its okay to out a girl BEFORE you find out if the name change is due to safety concerns.  Its guys like  you that caused an exodus of Kgirls who went East a few years ago, never to return to LA.  

I recall more than a few conversation with K-girls exiting LA (and BA) for NY (generally) because they were not able to avoid a stalking boy friend or client they wanted nothing to do with.

I completely agree with you here.

Ok, so the whole conversation about reporting problems and merging profiles is simply a farce, because it helps no one when it's done after the girl leaves and goes for her next name. What is that saying - when truth is putting on its boots the lie is already half around the world. When it matters most (when a girl is new) to have a profile merged, your choice of action is to keep your mouth shut.

You're right, a boyfriend surely wouldn't be able to recognize the same pics of his ex-gf in NY, rather than LA.

When there is a stalking situation, it is not the same pics, and there are times when the pics are of another girl entirely.   That's why the you see the TER profile option of "not the girl in the pics".  That's the first point.   The second thing is that moving 50+ miles away will discourage most stalkers from continuing to harass the girl.  Likewise, most  ex-boyfriends are not going to pursue their ex-girlfriend all the way across the country anymore than they would with a civvie girl.  You're grasping at straws now, and its not a very attractive look on you.

everything for you is binary, black or white, and has been that way since you got here.  There are some things that are in gray areas where you need more information to make a decision one way or another.  You don't seem to be able to understand that.  Real Life relationships must be a bitch for you.

Yeah right, you didn't recognize the pics and just stumbled across a "new" girl, who peaked your interest for some reason (like maybe the pics?). If you wanted to lie about that point, you should have just gone bigger and denied that the pictures weren't even the same since the Katy profile no longer has a link. Your memory is always as good or bad as it needs to be to support whatever current CDL narrative you're trying to pass off.

Feelings are never binary, yet actions always are binary.

are always binary while feelings are not proves my point about the way you think.  Taking action without considering your own feelings or the feelings of others is the fast track to making huge mistakes.  Maybe the reason you admittedly have so many disappointing sessions is because these Kgirls, who are quite intuitive, figure out you only care about yourself.  

There would be no such thing as passive aggressive.

It is somewhat impressive how Rocket can fixate on some aspect or idea that was not even present in a comment in order to take exception with a post.

has limited financial means, which is often the case with stalkers (i.e., guys with money don't need to stalk, as you probably know, the girls will be throwing themselves at you.  Lol)  and cannot afford to bother her in another city, she would NOT need to change her photos or her name.  That kind of the gives the stalker the finger.  He can look her up, but can't get to her.  Lol

Action are binary because either you do an action, or you don't do an action.
Either you press the button, or you don't press it. Either you shoot your shot or you don't.  
A girl is either pregnant or she isnt.

It is a common characteristic of narcissistic pathology to thrive on instigating conflict and confusion. They can usually mask their symptoms very well in the short term and so not uncommonly can get through the hiring process. So when I find one on my team I usually transfer them to a department with a micromanager to keep them in check. Only once have I ever had to fire one. But sometimes they can just be too smart and persistent for their own good.

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getting the word out "before she even starts working", so we are back to your total lack of concern for her safety and whether or not she has a stalker or ex-boyfriend problem.  it seems your opinion is cast in stone that safety  for a girl should be of no concern to mongers. so I think we are done here.  You don't get it, which is your prerogative.  Go ahead and have the last word, its what you life  for.  

You are the one that outed her. Do you have inside information that she is NOT being stalked by someone?  If you don't, nice work, and I'd like to introduce you to Rocket, who also  doesn't respect the possibility that a girl with a new name may very well have a good reason for it that can be safety-related.  Jensen  mentioned the high number of girls that have come to his area from the West Coast who were fleeing stalkers or ex-boyfriends.  There have been a number of ex-LA girls who work in OC/SD/LV/BA now who worked in LA under other names as well who have not been outed yet, which demonstrates that my opinion is in the majority that its unnecessary to potentially put a girl at risk by outing her prior identity if you don't know what her situation is.  So is it that you don't really believe Kgirls get stalkers or have abusive ex-boyfriends, or that you  just don't care?  If you believe they do have problems  with customers or former boyfriends, then your attitude on outing them is reckless at best and dangerous at worst.  

I fixate on bullshit, because I can't stand bullshit.  

Im on record here, multiple times, stating that name change does nothing, zip, zero, nada, nil, nichts, amugeosdo jeonhyeo to girl safety. Anyone dedicated enough to stalk a girl will do so 100% of the time after a name change.  

was the some of the girls -- some top tier ones at that - from the west coast were fed up with how enough of the guys on the west coast were acting, or at how a specific guy was acting and moved east because of that.

So if someone has concerns they want to verify regarding girl A they have to STFU about every other girl that might have multiple profiles? Or if they have concerns about girl A, and come to the conclusion after some time that the concerns are not real they still need to STFU about profiles?

Does he buy clothes that are the correct size, or does he buy the  stuff that says "one size fits all" and then wonder why he doesn't look good?  Lol    Trying to say all girls are in the same situation and should be treated identically is a "one size fits all" mentality.  

Is it mere coincidence?  Ella was supposed to be in OC until the 20th, a week from tomorrow.   Someone here went ahead and combined her Ella profile with Katy from last year.  The next day  she bolted early.  She's gone, and the booker had to put in a "placeholder" saying "coming soon" with no name because Ella left so abruptly and they don't have anyone to take her place on short notice.  As I said, I had no explicit knowledge that she changed her name because of a safety issue, but this kind of conduct certainly points in that direction.  This is why I say, "if I don't know FOR SURE the reason for the name change I  will err on the side of safety" . . . . . Always.  

I’m pretty sure everyone but the TER trolls would agree that you and Jensen mutually proved your point(s) quite a ways up this thread.

There was no discussion on particular situations. Both me and cdl have stated our general principles.

I hobby 9-12 a month, but for the last few years I pretty much stick to girls I already know. I seldom read any reviews and have never seen any girl based on one of yours. Your comment that I should stop seeing girls based on your reviews makes no sense unless you somehow think I'm on this thread because I saw Ella based on your review and feel misled. Not so, I have not seen her since last year.  Saw her a few times with first meeting on 4/24/20, before you ever reviewed her.  

You said because she used the same photos in OC that used in LA "doesn't compute" to her having  a stalking.  I asked you a simple question whether you had any inside information confirming she did  NOT have a stalker.  The fact that you didn't answer computes that you were reckless when you outed her and had little disregard for whether you were putting her in an unsafe position.  Instead, you relied on speculation and assumptions, and tried to tell me that I shouldn't have talked about it after YOU brought attention to it be calling out my omission publicly.  You can't put toothpaste back in the tube.  YOU outed her without any factual info that is was NOT going to cause her problems.   In all the years I have known you on this board, I have never observed you doing anything that would possibly harm a Kgirl . . . . until now.  

To use your favorite Shakespeare line:
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

to white knight for Rpd, or to gloat that you are the one that combined the two profiles to get you two free days of VIP.  All you had to do was run a Kgirl out of town, but since you call them  "disease-ridden cum dumpsters", its probably no big deal to you that she split because of it.  

He's been on TER for almost 16 years and has handed you your lunch ever since you showed up on TER.  He has done it with logic and facts, unlike you who always has to resort to ad hominem attacks.