Is it mere coincidence? Ella was supposed to be in OC until the 20th, a week from tomorrow. Someone here went ahead and combined her Ella profile with Katy from last year. The next day she bolted early. She's gone, and the booker had to put in a "placeholder" saying "coming soon" with no name because Ella left so abruptly and they don't have anyone to take her place on short notice. As I said, I had no explicit knowledge that she changed her name because of a safety issue, but this kind of conduct certainly points in that direction. This is why I say, "if I don't know FOR SURE the reason for the name change I will err on the side of safety" . . . . . Always.
Maybe this is just a coincidence and she took a vacation for Lunar New Year and will be back next week. We will know which it is if she comes back under Ella anytime soon . . . . or not.
Hey guys - just a brief research note and maybe someone can pick up the free VIP days: Ella and Ella are the same women!
This happens a lot. Many of the girls that tour have a few TER accounts scattered throughout the cities they visit.
It helps guys in each city find reviews for the girl. What's the big deal?
If the same provider gets a bunch of different profiles and review sets just how easy is it to track bad actors? Or really GOOD actors for that matter.
The main problem here imo is lack of universal pics attached to ter Id. It makes it easier for TER to host ad free environment because hosting images is expensive, but also means that if link in profile is replaced, good luck tracing the girl just by her name and area.
From experience, like 90+% of kgirls use the same pics throughout their career. Sometimes they update them, but they use the same pics. So matching an ad with pics is a lot easier than matching ad with a profile thar doesn't have old links
If there is a redeeming quality of neurotic donkey, is that the pics there are still on their server. Even if profile are gone or removed from public view.
Yes, having a pic DB here would be of value. But my point was if you have to dig up four or five different profiles to see all reviews that can be a lot of work -- especially if the names change when they are touring in different cities. Putting some effort into consolidating all the reviews into a common profile makes the evaluation much easier.
Oh I fully agree. But because you can only do it through ter and it's lagging, it's kinda worthless. We are the outliers. Most mongers don't do research some of us do. I don't expect mongers to have the same tools and access to the type of info I have, for example. And there's only so many psas I can do about rebrands that will be noticed.
Someone has to consolidate those profiles Ina timely manner, and its thankless work.
Hence me always advocating for being very open on public boards. People undervalue the value of information that can be found on public board about particular girls (not just reviews).
so why not take credit for it? Should just be a simple Problem Report from the older of the two profiles -- they both use the same (or at least some -- didn't check too closely) pics.
For a while now, Ter has done nothing about merging existing profile problem reports from my side so far, even though girls used same pictures in both ads and near identical names.
As far as I see, it's either a lost cause or someone with *credibility* has to create those problem reports. Even if it's eventually changed, the lag is so significant it will help no monger. Part of the reason why many kgirls change names even so slightly.
There are times where they won't merge the profiles as they don't really have more than the claim someone makes -- and that someone is not the provider. In this case, since the two profiles are using the same pics and the same name I would expect the admins would not have issues with merging them. Assuming of course the person reporting the issue does more than say "these are the same provider" such as "it's clearly the case these are profiles of the same provider: same pictures, and they even use the same name."
If you've had problems in the past maybe try it yourself. I've generally gotten a couple of days VIP when I've reported such clear cut cases. YMMV I suppose (and honestly don't always "track" to see if anything changed or I got some reward.
But maybe they are still looking to have a higher review count so want to leave them up or just have some guys that simply don't want to do the work so just mark the problem report as done and move on.
I did try it myself. I reported a girl who is clearly the same girl, using same pics in neighboring agencies. Her name was changed by one letter in the other org. Both orgs had same pics up at the time.
Like I've said, even if it's eventually changed, the main moneymaker period for rebrands is the initial rebrand period when mongers try to lookup a new girls name but can't find her and then just toftt. By the time the profile is merged, the girl might be on her third name in another org
Maybe ter expects to have seen the girl in the ad or have reviewed her, but that's just unrealistic imo. But that at least would explain things.
as some general statement but that you try submitting a problem report for these two profiles specifically to see if something happens.
No idea if others have made any attempt or not -- but if all that is happening is talk on the board I'm pretty sure TER will not be doing much regardless of what they may or may not do if a problem report were submitted. Which perhaps suggests Sunnyday1's attitude is the generally held one -- who really gives a fuck about multiple profiles. If so then perhaps most are getting the TER they want.
Like I've said, I've submitted several of these and I haven't seen anything happen with those profiles. One of the girls already moved to another org.
when they go to a different city, the first reviewer that sets up the profile fails to check first and see if she already has a profile under the same name WITH THE SAME PHOTOS in a different city.
For Rocket, this is an example of a situation where TER would merge the two profiles. They usually want photographic proof that its the same girl. Taking a monger's word for it is usually not enough. They have been pretty good about fulfilling my requests for a merger, but if both links are not active, they can't verify photographically that the two girls are identical.
With that said, the reverse problem exists, too, where it is DEFINATELY two different girls, but a lazy reviewer that doesn't want to create a new profile will just add his review to a different girl that uses the same name. Again, these can be sorted out, but TER needs photographic confirmation that they are two different girls. Its more likely to be able to do this in this scenario rather than when you're trying to combine two profiles into one.
Kind of like what you did, right?
There was already an OC profile when I wrote my review, so I posted it there. Read my post again. The problem is when the FIRST reviewer WHO SETS UP THE PROFILE does not look for the girl elsewhere first. If there is already a profile in YOUR town, you post it there. We all depend on the Reviewer who starts a new profile to see if the girl is already on TER or not, if he can. If there are no photos elsewhere, you can't really know if its the same girl, can you?
Please tell me that your reading comprehension is not really as bad as your posted conclusion suggests? LOL
Didn't your review say you "TOFTT"?
Are you so stupid I need to explain what that acronym means and what a logical person would infer from your use of it?
You would know that there is usually about two weeks lag time in writing my reviews, so follow this closely young man. I will make it so simple even the village idiot can understand. TOFTT means AT THE TIME I SAW HER, she had no reviews, but when I wrote my review two weeks later, by then, she had two other reviews. If you don't understand, make another comment like you did and I will try to dumb it down for you even more.
This happens a lot to me, and to many others I know. We will take a chance on new girl, but by the time we write the review, others that TOFTT have already got a profile up and one or two reviews are already "live". This is why I can always be counted on to correct anything in the profile that the first REVIEWER got wrong. If I put up the profile, you can count on it being accurate in all respects.
You did so well on the second audition "call-back" I think it will be unanimous that you ARE the new village idiot. Seriously, you couldn't figure this out for yourself? It tells me you probably haven't written any reviews yet. Have you even seen any Kgirls, or are you one of the "lurkers" here?
Thanks for confirming you are so stupid you couldn't find her existing reviews.
I don't want to take advantage of you if you have some kind of mental condition, but I will dumb this down even further for you just this once. . . .
1. When I saw her, she had no reviews yet. She was new. So I was TOFTT.
2. After I saw her, two other guys reviewed her. The first one set up her profile.
3. When I got ready to write my review, I always check first before creating a new profile, and I found someone else had already set one up, and it had two reviews. I added my review to her THEN-existing profile, WHICH WAS CREATED AFTER I SAW HER.
I added the numbers so you wouldn't get lost. Get it now? You have expanded the IQ range of the members here, but not in a way that elevates the discourse.
56 reviews.
Crunch the numbers on how stupid that makes you, my intellectually slow and socially retarded friend.
But you are the k-girl review jockey! You got that going for you.
She has 56 reviews in Philly and 3 reviews in SoCal. So what? Since you have zero reviews and have been here barely long enough rub one out, I take it that, even though every poster here has done the honorable thing, and allowed you time to combine the two profiles because you are the one who found them, I'm betting you know have a clue how to do it. Am I right? Seriously, when are you going to actually see a Kgirl and write a review? We pretty much have you pegged as a lurker now. Do you drool a lot? Does your mom know you're on an adult board when she's not supervising you?
I said before that when there is already a profile up IN THE TOWN THE GIRL IS CURRENTLY WORKING IN, THAT IS WHERE YOU POST YOUR REVIEW, so that the guys where she is now can have the benefit of reading it and going to see her. She can't be in two places at once, so the Philly ad is obviously an archive. So if you post your ad on an archive where she is NOT working NOW, who will see it that can benefit from it and go see her? After she LEAVES SoCal, if YOU haven't figured out how to do it yet, I will be happy to combine her two profiles.
There are reviews I have posted in other cities because by the time I wrote my review, she had left the city I saw her in, so in that case, my review from a few weeks ago might help the guys WHERE SHE IS CURRENTLY WORKING. This is not rocket science. I don't know why you have such a hard time grasping these concepts. With each post, you're just doubling down on ignorance and stupidity. Why not take a break, see your first Kgirl (if you're old enough and your mom will give you the money) and learn a little bit about what the scene is all about? Then come back here and post with a little insight and intelligence like so many have before you.
Did you get knocked in the head too many times when you were younger?
The only reason it was a "TOFTT" for you was because you are so stupid you couldn't find her existing profile.
If you need me to explain it to you in shorter words, I can try to do that. Just let me know. OK?
I’m clearly a slacker. Not only do I have far fewer reviews than you do (I’m clearly never going to challenge that). But you have way more stalkers than my paltry one.
I used to have quite a few more back in the rouge livre days. I’m quite happy to let you have the lead in this race.
I have had dozens, MANY dozens of stalkers on the various TER boards, most of whom have followed me from board to board where their ONLY posts on those boards were in a vain attempt to get me to pay attention to them.
I will concede, CDL most likely has more stalkers on this board than anyone else. I guess he's doing pretty good in the review department as well. lol
to you, if its happy hour, I could turn you into a flame thrower!!! Badaboom. Lol
Many guys don't review a new girl immediately because if they do, it's easy for the booker to match the TER name with the customer.
Is there any drawback to that? Do bookers not like us reviewing the girls on here?
There is more to it than this. But the basic premise is that maintaining your anonymity in this community is very important.
anonymous, or at least UTR. All of us want to write honest reviews without the pressure of being BL'd if the bookers or the girls don't like them. Because of the volume these girls do, if you post the review two weeks after you saw her, its going to be extremely difficult for either of them to say for sure who the reviewer is. On the other hand, if you see her on her first day at a new location, and go home and write the review that night, you might be one of only three or four guys who saw her that day, and it will easier form them to narrow it down to you. If its a negative review, there can be blowback. This is why I don't review the indies I see anymore, because they are much lower volume and when I was reviewing them on AF, I would get all kinds of blowback if they didn't like my review. Two weeks later, if you didn't repeat, the girl is probably not going to be able to put your face to any particular review. Bookers love positive reviews because they drive the business to the girls. Not so much with the negative reviews.
Dude, you see literally hundreds of kgirls. You aren't the only one who sees rebrand. Saying it's a rebrand does not put you under any risk whatsoever. You're also on record saying that you don't write reviews immediately,as they take time.
What good is all thjs trying to help with profile combining when there is a two week lay low period? It sounds more like a farce.
Hell, some girls leave after a two week tour!
In your January 2021 "TOFTT" review of Ella TER ID 356558, you pretend you have never seen her when in fact you already reviewed her under the name Katy TER ID 349210 in May 2020.
Please don't send me a PM, just do your tap dancing here in the thread.
where I said I have never seen her before. If you can't, then GFY. It was a TOFTT booking because I did not recognize her photos and thought I was seeing a new girl until I got there.
It is MY PRACTICE to review girls under their current names. Many working girls, especially Kgirls, have stalkers and change their names because they are hiding from some creep. Its not my place to OUT them unless I know for sure it won't compromise their safety. I have always been about protecting the girls from bad actors and make no apologies for that. I will always review them under the name they are using. So what? The review is for THAT session under THAT name, and its none of my business WHY a girl changes her name, but I will respect her decision. In fact, I gave her a lower performance score because her menu changed, so in the areas that count, she IS NOT the same Kgirl I saw before, which is another reason some girls change their names. I think we both know of dozens of LA girls that USED to offer BBFS that no longer do, and changed their names to make a clean break from the BBFS hounds. They want to start over, and I don't blame them. They change their name, and if that's not enough, they leave town, usually after someone has outed them as a former BBFS provider. Until you have dated Kgirls in RL, most mongers have no idea what the dark side of the business is like. They do a great job of making sure we don't see the problems when we are sessioning with them. Someday, I will write a book. I know many other veterans who feel the same way as I do about not putting the girls at risk in any way. I always thought you were one of them.
I believe he's talking about how you didn't say she's a rebrand or someone you saw before, in your review.
I don't think you necessarily have to put a name if you don't want to "out" her. But I'd imagine you should at least indicate that it's a rebrand.
I've read your review, and it does read like it's the first time you saw her.
for the rebrand is other than safety-related. If its a rebrand because she's running from bad reviews under the former name, then I would mention it, but if she is hiding from an ex-boyfriend, stalker, or the BBFS hounds, then I would not. If I don't know for sure, I will risk erring on the side of keeping her safe.
Good, my intention was to leave that question ambiguous because I don't know her situation. I did not say I saw her before, and I also did not claim I didn't see her before. If someone else wants to out her, then its on their own conscience whatever consequences may flow from that. It won't be on mine.
Its like the ongoing argument you and Jensen are having about Sela. My four year old review is a snapshot in time. So is his more recent review. My old review may not be relevant to how she is now, regardless of who is writing it. In the case of Ella, there have been some menu changes, so its apples and oranges compared to how she was the last time I saw her under another name. Notice my score was LOWER this time, not higher. So she is not running from bad reviews.
Saying she is a rebrand is not naming her. Hundreds of girls are rebrands. Simply saying I think I saw her before under a different name is not outing her in any way.
I simply don't get this.
If I say she is a rebrand, it will take someone all of five minutes to out her. She got outed anyway on this board, but its not on me and never will be. I know you think protecting a girl that is hiding from an abusive SO is not "monger-friendly", but I would do it for a civvie girl, too. I'm not saying that is her reason for a name change. She did not share it with me, but as I said above, I will always err on the side of safety. The high number of Kgirls that have stalkers is one of the dirty little secrets of this biz. It happens a lot more than you probably want to believe.
Anybody who claims that a kgirl’s job can’t be (and far too frequently is) rather dangerous is lying. If they go so far as to say we should put our convenience and pleasure above a girl’s safety, then the best thing is to just ignore them, I think. Even arguing with someone trying to sell that line just propagates a false and harmful narrative, in my opinion.
Still, everyone must make that decision for themselves, I know.
If you think that, you shouldn't even have a voice when talking about profile merging to help mongers.
What good for the monger is ter profile merging when the girl is gone? Those are helpful to identify rebrands, and useless in all other cases.
be for merging AFTER she has left OC. I already know you are willing to ignore safety concerns for the Kgirls in order to be pro-monger, but a lot of mongers don't use good judgment when it comes to the concerns of working girls. Sometimes, its through lack of experience, and other times, its just being forgetful that this is an illegal biz, and like many things illegal, there is a dark side that is not always apparent to the Pollyanna's. A Kgirl can't merely go to court and get a restraining order to keep a stalker away without admitting she is a sex worker. They will be asked how she met the guy or what is their prior relationship. Its a standard question.
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So then, identifying and merging profiles of rebrands is ok in your eyes as long as it happens outside of oc/LA? Or is it after she stops using that name?
If it's the former, thats a weird stance.
If it's the latter, then profile merging is literally useless and many orgs remove old pics so then it wouldn't be merged. What is the point in merging old profiles together with names she might not use anymore? Lol.
Oh and if girls really wanted to get away from stalkers via rebranding, they would use DIFFERENT PICS.
90+% of rebrands use same pics. A dedicated stalker sees through rebrand names easily. The ones who get fooled by rebrand names with same pics are unsuspecting newbies or people out of the loop. (And, apparently, you). It doesn't do anything to stalkers, but it does fuck up newbies.
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the main point of my post, and that is safety concerns for the girls. Apparently, you believe that its okay to out a girl BEFORE you find out if the name change is due to safety concerns. Its guys like you that caused an exodus of Kgirls who went East a few years ago, never to return to LA.
I have already conceded that I don't know FOR SURE what the reason was for Ella's name change, and in those cases, I will always err on the side of playing it safe. I will not be the one to out her. It is rare for a girl to use the same pics if she has a stalker issue, but I'm not going to make that assumption if I don't have reliable info to the contrary. You can be cavalier about safety if you want, but I don't need to be. Only recently, have some orgs been leaving access available to archive photos of girls that are no longer working there. The girls may not ever realize it. Without matching photos, TER will not usually allow a merge request, so this is something that rarely happened a few years ago. Out of all of the girls on my review history, there are only a handful that show up with multiple names, which names were added after I reviewed her under the original name I saw her under.
Perhaps it would behoove Newbies to be a little less unsuspecting, and do a little more research on their own before seeing someone. If they're Newbies, it probably won't matter what name she is working under, because for a Newbie, everyone they see is a new girl for them. The most annoying thing about changing names is getting a girl you have already seen when you were expecting someone new. The fewer girls you have already seen, the less likely this is to happen.
I recall more than a few conversation with K-girls exiting LA (and BA) for NY (generally) because they were not able to avoid a stalking boy friend or client they wanted nothing to do with.
You're right, a boyfriend surely wouldn't be able to recognize the same pics of his ex-gf in NY, rather than LA.
When there is a stalking situation, it is not the same pics, and there are times when the pics are of another girl entirely. That's why the you see the TER profile option of "not the girl in the pics". That's the first point. The second thing is that moving 50+ miles away will discourage most stalkers from continuing to harass the girl. Likewise, most ex-boyfriends are not going to pursue their ex-girlfriend all the way across the country anymore than they would with a civvie girl. You're grasping at straws now, and its not a very attractive look on you.
It is somewhat impressive how Rocket can fixate on some aspect or idea that was not even present in a comment in order to take exception with a post.
has limited financial means, which is often the case with stalkers (i.e., guys with money don't need to stalk, as you probably know, the girls will be throwing themselves at you. Lol) and cannot afford to bother her in another city, she would NOT need to change her photos or her name. That kind of the gives the stalker the finger. He can look her up, but can't get to her. Lol
It is a common characteristic of narcissistic pathology to thrive on instigating conflict and confusion. They can usually mask their symptoms very well in the short term and so not uncommonly can get through the hiring process. So when I find one on my team I usually transfer them to a department with a micromanager to keep them in check. Only once have I ever had to fire one. But sometimes they can just be too smart and persistent for their own good.
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I fixate on bullshit, because I can't stand bullshit.
If a girl does not change her working pic, she can change 10 names all she wants, but fact is anyone with even a small interest in her, let alone stalking interest, and an ability to search the internet, can find her in a matter of minutes. A very dedicated person can find who she is even if she changes pics.
So the fact is,changinh the name does nothing. Remember what I said before, security by obfuscation is not security. In this case, it's not even an obfuscation. It's like changing an alias here. It's as see-through as any masking technique.
Tell me, Jensen, do you also believe that girls past name should not be disclosed? Because if so, all your talk about reporting same provides to ter asking profiles to be merged, is highly inconsistent. I'll wait for your answer though before I go further.
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was the some of the girls -- some top tier ones at that - from the west coast were fed up with how enough of the guys on the west coast were acting, or at how a specific guy was acting and moved east because of that.
Now, I suppose one can make further inferences and deductions from that statement but getting to where you did takes a real talent.
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I completely agree with you here.
Further, I think it is ultimately the opposite of pro-monger to turn a blind eye to the safety issues involved in this industry. Not just for the girls. But for the monger as well.
I have personally known Pollyanna mongers who thought mongering was all blowjobs and sexy kisses. I remember trying to warn one about risks who chose to completely ignore me. He ended up on a dump next to a dead body. Fortunately, he was much younger than the corpse next to him. So the poison he was given didn’t kill him.
I’ve helped out other mongers who were just beaten up a bit. They walked away with just physical bruises and a bruised ego. So, yeah, mongering isn’t the safest pursuit in the world.
Sure, if you stick to kgirl houses here in the U.S. the kgirl monger is usually going to be safe. But if you take the same lack of caution and begin mongering with independents - especially the lower dollar ones - the risk goes up substantially even here in the U.S. If you take the same approach to mongering in many other Asian countries, the risk of ending up as the friend I mentioned above did rises dramatically.
And, as you mentioned already, just the fact that the U.S. based kgirl monger who uses reasonable caution is generally safe is no indication that the kgirl is anywhere near as safe. Our kgirls get roughed up far more often than most think. Though i think that has gotten better than it was even 5 years ago. But that may only be that I don’t have as many kgirl friends telling me what’s going on as I used to.
I strongly suggest to everyone that they use the kgirl training wheels we are privileged to be given here to learn and practice reasonably safe mongering habits that will help them avoid issues wherever in the world they choose to pursue ladies of the night.
Yes, I know that some, possibly even many, will never have a problem even if they are incredibly incautious. But those of us aware of the risks would be irresponsible to not do our best to make all aware of them.
Again, just my opinion. Though it is based on many years of experience of my own and that of team members I have worked with around the world. Any and all are free to disagree.
Ok, so the whole conversation about reporting problems and merging profiles is simply a farce, because it helps no one when it's done after the girl leaves and goes for her next name. What is that saying - when truth is putting on its boots the lie is already half around the world. When it matters most (when a girl is new) to have a profile merged, your choice of action is to keep your mouth shut.
Duly noted.
everything for you is binary, black or white, and has been that way since you got here. There are some things that are in gray areas where you need more information to make a decision one way or another. You don't seem to be able to understand that. Real Life relationships must be a bitch for you.
Feelings are never binary, yet actions always are binary.
Trying to sit on two chairs is a bad idea and just makes you look like a hypocrite.
You don't want to even say girl Is a rebrand because that would "out" her? Fine, but by doing that you relinquish your right to ever say shit about merging profiles.
The sole point of merging profiles is to identify rebrands. So that Joe the monger can look up a new girl "Nikki" in his area and see that she was known under different name Mary and READ HER PAST REVIEWS TO MAKE A DECISION.
There is literally no other reasons to merge profiles. After Joe has seen Nicki and after she leaves for her next pasture with another name, he won't give a fuck about her precious name.
Now Nikki changes name to Kerri in a different area and another bro John wants to know who Kerri is and read her reviews. He can't do that with a Mary/Nikki profile.
This is a review site. People read reviews to make decisions. Merging profiles AFTER the fact is useless. Use-less.
are always binary while feelings are not proves my point about the way you think. Taking action without considering your own feelings or the feelings of others is the fast track to making huge mistakes. Maybe the reason you admittedly have so many disappointing sessions is because these Kgirls, who are quite intuitive, figure out you only care about yourself.
Reviews that are over six months old are often useless on their face, so a name a girl used a year or two ago may be misleading. Those that have been here a long time know that many Kgirls that are once superstars eventually get burned out and the service goes to hell. The recent reviews will tell you what she is like NOW. You keep making an argument that sounds good in theory, but doesn't have a lot of practical application if the girl is different now than she was in the past.
Would you buy a 4-year old car because the people that bought new ones 4 years ago said they were great, or would you check some of the websites that show you how they hold up over time before paying your money. LA has been a place where we could literally watch yesterday's super-stars burn themselves out. They get to a point where they hate their work, but can't afford to quit because they have no other job skills, so their attitude causes the formerly great service to taper off until it gets to a point where they are not even keeping up with the second or third tier girls. So I could easily argue, based on historical evidence that if a girl has 100 reviews, that they were all positive except for half of the last 10, there is something wrong, and you should probably save your money. Now if the last ten reviews, half of which are negative, are under a new name, the former positive reviews are not going to steer the Newbies you worry about into a decision to see a girl that is clearly on the decline and should be a pass. You're saying actions are always binary, and I have just shown an example of a gray area that is right on point.
There would be no such thing as passive aggressive.
Most people who actually are not uncommonly passive aggressive with their actions almost always deny it. So, especially those who are passive aggressive - which is a lot of folks - would be prone to arguing any specific example.
Just judging by how easily you can find articles on how to identify passive aggressive behavior there is clearly a very significant percentage of people who fit the description. I know if I had a dollar for every time I ran into someone being passive aggressive at school, work, in my neighborhood (let’s not even get into HOA’s where passive aggression is the name of the game).. Well, the hard part would be sitting down, remembering in detail and counting all of the many instances.
So, there is simply no way that anything remotely close to 100% of all actions are binary.
Action are binary because either you do an action, or you don't do an action.
Either you press the button, or you don't press it. Either you shoot your shot or you don't.
A girl is either pregnant or she isnt.
And my point is, if you're concerned about girls safety so much you will never divulge their past names, then you should never talk about merging profiles. Since you don't support the reason why they should be merged. This act of rebranding is far more popular in kgirl world than in established providers world.
The rest of your post ironically proves exactly why it's vital to get rebrand info to mongers before girl even starts working. That you'd want her last place of work, and not the one two or years ago. There are girls who change names every month. The faster a guy realizes Alice from candygirlla is the terrible jana/jane/pristine/purple/Hera and million of other names the better for them.
Even then, in my experience, most kgirls font change much over years. I've read reviews of girls from 5 years ago that still perfectly describe the girl as she was when I saw her. Many kgirls stick close to the script, and that script doesn't get updated often.
getting the word out "before she even starts working", so we are back to your total lack of concern for her safety and whether or not she has a stalker or ex-boyfriend problem. it seems your opinion is cast in stone that safety for a girl should be of no concern to mongers. so I think we are done here. You don't get it, which is your prerogative. Go ahead and have the last word, its what you life for.
Im on record here, multiple times, stating that name change does nothing, zip, zero, nada, nil, nichts, amugeosdo jeonhyeo to girl safety. Anyone dedicated enough to stalk a girl will do so 100% of the time after a name change.
All it does is hurt mongers.
Were not "back" at it because I never wavered here. I won't ever be on the side that accepts to hurt mongers when the safety that a name change provides is zero point zero. And I wont ever be.
Like I've said, youre welcome to consider it a safety reason to never "out them",it's up to you. But for the love of God, then, stop ever talking about profile merging on ter. Since you actively oppose it when it's most useful. You oppose identifying rebrands, which is the whole point of merging profiles of the same person with different ids. You can't wear a cross and a star of david at the same time. Can't have cake and eat it too. If you're for protecting girl name changes, you are against profile merging of kgirls. It's simple as that. Your actions speak for themselves.
So if someone has concerns they want to verify regarding girl A they have to STFU about every other girl that might have multiple profiles? Or if they have concerns about girl A, and come to the conclusion after some time that the concerns are not real they still need to STFU about profiles?
That's what you're saying and that is exactly why you are getting the "binary thinking" charge.
Does he buy clothes that are the correct size, or does he buy the stuff that says "one size fits all" and then wonder why he doesn't look good? Lol Trying to say all girls are in the same situation and should be treated identically is a "one size fits all" mentality.
There was no discussion on particular situations. Both me and cdl have stated our general principles.
I quote, "It is MY PRACTICE to review girls under their current names. Many working girls, especially Kgirls, have stalkers and change their names because they are hiding from some creep. Its not my place to OUT them unless I know for sure it won't compromise their safety. "
" will always err on the side of playing it safe. I will not be the one to out her. "
This isn't a particular situation, Jensen. This is someone generalizing their approach. When someone says the word "always",this means that they literally do it every time, ie always. And if they don't do it always, then they're full of shit.
So yes, if someone says they always err on the safe side if they don't know for sure (and lol, how many times does a monger know for sure and how many times will a provider actually tell the truth to such monger)... they lose to right to talk about "outing" girls. Because they literally speak against it.
Otherwise theyre either a liar or a hypocrite.
Cdl accuses me of binary speak yet he is the one who uses words that denote absolutes, like always and never.
Remember when he said he never saw a review written by an org affiliate? That was a fun one.
If you say something in absolute, like always or never, all I have to find is one counterexample to prove your point wrong. And you better be prepared to show that your actions are consistent with what you're writing.
Is it mere coincidence? Ella was supposed to be in OC until the 20th, a week from tomorrow. Someone here went ahead and combined her Ella profile with Katy from last year. The next day she bolted early. She's gone, and the booker had to put in a "placeholder" saying "coming soon" with no name because Ella left so abruptly and they don't have anyone to take her place on short notice. As I said, I had no explicit knowledge that she changed her name because of a safety issue, but this kind of conduct certainly points in that direction. This is why I say, "if I don't know FOR SURE the reason for the name change I will err on the side of safety" . . . . . Always.
Maybe this is just a coincidence and she took a vacation for Lunar New Year and will be back next week. We will know which it is if she comes back under Ella anytime soon . . . . or not.
I’m pretty sure everyone but the TER trolls would agree that you and Jensen mutually proved your point(s) quite a ways up this thread.
Where’s a Monty Python cart master when you need one?
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Yeah right, you didn't recognize the pics and just stumbled across a "new" girl, who peaked your interest for some reason (like maybe the pics?). If you wanted to lie about that point, you should have just gone bigger and denied that the pictures weren't even the same since the Katy profile no longer has a link. Your memory is always as good or bad as it needs to be to support whatever current CDL narrative you're trying to pass off.
Now that I have "outed" the girl you are so worried about protecting, that you don't know needs protecting, or maybe needs protecting, but you don't know for sure, you've gone into full protect CDL persona mode instead. You suggest she's not really the same girl because her menu changed. You didn't say what that change was, but I'll assume it's probably that she didn't let you stick your fingers inside her since you pout about that in your review. Flashing your professional manicure didn't work this time, what's up with that? But you don't specifically say in your post that's the service change you're talking about. Instead you go off on a BBFS tangent that might cause some to think you’re implying that about her. So good job protecting. I saw her a few times last May in WLA, I did not seek, nor was there any hint of BBFS on the menu, so don't come back with your typical deflection and try accusing me of starting a rumor.
You want to protect a girl in cases similar to this - try not calling attention to her at all. Don't write a review and especially don't jump on a discussion board post that provides even more opportunity to call attention to her and could get her on theoretical stalkers' radar. Oh wait, I forgot, you can’t do that, you still want to help a deserving girl get reestablished and you still want to help guys who you claim are always thanking you in PMs.
And please show me in your review where you disclosed you have seen her before. If not you can GFY, or maybe go back to see if you can up your lip and tongue game a bit if manicured fingers are still denied.
You are the one that outed her. Do you have inside information that she is NOT being stalked by someone? If you don't, nice work, and I'd like to introduce you to Rocket, who also doesn't respect the possibility that a girl with a new name may very well have a good reason for it that can be safety-related. Jensen mentioned the high number of girls that have come to his area from the West Coast who were fleeing stalkers or ex-boyfriends. There have been a number of ex-LA girls who work in OC/SD/LV/BA now who worked in LA under other names as well who have not been outed yet, which demonstrates that my opinion is in the majority that its unnecessary to potentially put a girl at risk by outing her prior identity if you don't know what her situation is. So is it that you don't really believe Kgirls get stalkers or have abusive ex-boyfriends, or that you just don't care? If you believe they do have problems with customers or former boyfriends, then your attitude on outing them is reckless at best and dangerous at worst.
At least now you know that MY PRACTICE is to not bring attention to a girl's prior name unless I AM SURE I would not put her in danger by doing so. So perhaps the ticket for you is to stop seeing girls strictly on the basis of my reviews unless you take the time to do some research and make sure she has not ever worked under another name. This will keep you from getting your panties in a bunch next time.
I hobby 9-12 a month, but for the last few years I pretty much stick to girls I already know. I seldom read any reviews and have never seen any girl based on one of yours. Your comment that I should stop seeing girls based on your reviews makes no sense unless you somehow think I'm on this thread because I saw Ella based on your review and feel misled. Not so, I have not seen her since last year. Saw her a few times with first meeting on 4/24/20, before you ever reviewed her.
About three weeks ago, I saw the Ella add/picture pop up on another popular monger website and easily recognized the pics as Katy. Now I see this discussion board thread about Ella, including you just having to get your two cents worth in on a girl you are supposedly worried about protecting. If you truly believed she's in danger you could have just kept your mouth shut and hoped the thread died out quickly. No - you have to get into your typical arguing and name calling when a guy rightly suggests you improperly used the term TOFTT in your review.
You can dance around all you want about what you say the term TOFTT means or should mean, but when somebody pats themselves on the back and says they are taking one for the team, I think most will agree it means you’ve never seen this "new" girl be and are going in cold without benefit of reviews. You saw her less than a year ago and gave a glowing review. She's using the same pictures now as then. I call total bullshit if you now say you didn't know it was her before you went into the session. You didn't TOFTT. You lied about that and then you doubled down and started fighting with the guy who first called you on it. You can try and deflect all you want and incorrectly suggest how I can keep from getting my panties in a bunch in the future, but that's what I expect for exposing you with your panties down around you ankles.
I reject the suggestion that I’ve endangered her. If she’s trying to hide from somebody, she's doing it in plain sight - back to the LA/OC stomping grounds, advertising on a popular website, and using the same pictures as before. Sorry, stalker avoidance does not compute. I sympathize with the girl's, so don't try and paint me as somebody that doesn't. I been around since this K-girl board started. I thought it was a bad idea because it might do the girl’s more harm than good. I wasn’t worried that mongers might be deprived of more and more information, the K-world is not nearly the rocket science some make it out to be. I suggest these types of boards can contribute to an escalating type of K-girl frenzy that led to the Seattle bust a couple of years ago.
You said because she used the same photos in OC that used in LA "doesn't compute" to her having a stalking. I asked you a simple question whether you had any inside information confirming she did NOT have a stalker. The fact that you didn't answer computes that you were reckless when you outed her and had little disregard for whether you were putting her in an unsafe position. Instead, you relied on speculation and assumptions, and tried to tell me that I shouldn't have talked about it after YOU brought attention to it be calling out my omission publicly. You can't put toothpaste back in the tube. YOU outed her without any factual info that is was NOT going to cause her problems. In all the years I have known you on this board, I have never observed you doing anything that would possibly harm a Kgirl . . . . until now.
She was supposed to be here until the 20th. Someone here combined the Katy and Ella profiles. The next day she left early and the booker was forced to put a "Coming soon" placeholder with no name in her place, because they did not have a girl to replace her when she left abruptly.
So you outed her here. Somebody, maybe you, combined the two profiles, and the next day she leaves town before her contract was up. Does that still compute to you that she absolutely doesn't have a stalker or an ex-boyfriend problem just because she used the same photos? Running a girl out of town by outing her based on speculations and assumptions is not cool. That's why I don't do this unless I know for sure the reason for the name change. You cost the girl and the org money, and foreclosed the possibility that any Kgirl lovers who were planning to see her this week will get their wish. We'll see if she ever returns.
To use your favorite Shakespeare line:
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
to white knight for Rpd, or to gloat that you are the one that combined the two profiles to get you two free days of VIP. All you had to do was run a Kgirl out of town, but since you call them "disease-ridden cum dumpsters", its probably no big deal to you that she split because of it.
He's been on TER for almost 16 years and has handed you your lunch ever since you showed up on TER. He has done it with logic and facts, unlike you who always has to resort to ad hominem attacks.
I didn't report the two profiles but I certainly wouldn't shy away from admitting it had I done it. They were laid out in the OP so anyone could have easily done it.
Combining multiple profiles is the raison d'être of TER, Monsieur Lion. K-Girls change their names more than any other providers due to changing cities and orgs. No matter - mongers are entitled to see their previous reviews under their former name(s) in order to make an informed decision.
My loyalty is to TER and the mongers. You have shown over and over that your loyalties are to K-girls and bookers. You are just like HARPMAN who also considered the combining of profiles to be "outing" a K-girl. Here's an example in a thread from over seven years ago:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/k-girl-113/harpman-just-outed-himself-as-to-where-his-1560?page=
is looking cute. Upon closer inspection, all the girls appear to have similar likes / interests on the website.
Does the agency exclusively host k girls, or will sometimes bring in other talent?
In NYC, many K-girls would end up with multiple Profiles as they flit from KMP to KMP. (West coast K-girls would be KMP girls and/or agency AAMP girls in NYC. To me, they are still K-girls.)
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I would be fairly diligent trying to merge duplicate profiles and preventing the merger of non-identical profiles. I almost always had to submit best evidence = ad photos. Once merged, it is impossible to un-merge and disentangle the mess. I would submit reviews with GENERAL INFO along the lines of "This Coco is NOT Coco TER ID ######, Coco TER ID ###### or Coco TER ######. This Coco was previously Cherry TER ID ###### at Happy Spa and Lucky TER ID ###### at Butterfly Garden."
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Despite my best efforts, different Coco-s, Cherry-s, et al-s Profiles would be merged. I just noticed that the "original" and real Cherry / Lexy TER ID: 153417 has recent reviews(!). The real Cherry retired in 2014 or so. The most recent pics for 153417 are definitely NOT the original Cherry. Those merges will never be undone.
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Other times, I tried to effect a merge by Problem Reports and Contact Us. I would testify that "I know Coco ###### (see my review) and I just met with Lucky ######. Coco and Lucky are the same Provider! Please merge." but if Coco #####'s ad photos had been deleted, it was tough to prove to TER. "I was in the room! It's her!"
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Everybody here knows what I'm talking about.
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And I have pined for the old websites such as the one maintained by The League that archived lots of photos so we (and TER) could keep track of who is who. It is probably much more important in the K-girl, AMP world than in the regular TER world.
She was "Katy" TER ID 349210 rather than "Katie" when I saw her in WLA a few times in April/May 2020. Those are the only times I saw her but she's using the same pics now as Ella.