It's been a while for me. My buddy wants to  get in  on the  action so I told  him  about  the rules.. Can any one help me out with orgs who  he can go to these  days  to  get established for screening at our favorites?

If he will give his ID I’m sure he can get in with LSC since they do different screening... BGC and Viola’s may also have alternative screening options!

Why not contact one of the agencies you deal with and see if you can vouch for a friend?

I think if his friend was willing to give his ID, he would have no problems getting in without references into most, if not all, orgs. I hear Caras PO barely replies to new mongers nowadays, so hers might be an issue even with id.

in SoCal works with seeing newbie friendly orgs or building your rep on HX. You could technically be cleared with every org in a week if you see a kgirl everyday once you get started

Sounds kinda like the bay. I thought LA kgirl orgs were some secret society where it'd be tough to get verified? Lol

I want to break him in, make him climb the ladder. I don't do personal recs for the obvious reasons one might cite, ESPECIALLY to drinking buddies! No, he wants in he goes the usual route. I feel like such a frat boy but it's fun.  I wanted to send  him to Tina at Nikki in SF but that ship has sailed, so I just need somewhere to send him to get a couple of referrals so I can send him to Kira and imagine him coming out in a body bag. He talks a long game but he's 61.

If you don't even know this person well enough to give a recommendation and you want to have him experience climbing the ladder, why not just tell him to join TER introduce himself like everyone else does and work from there?

This is my speculation, but I think many mongers aren't comfortable to give vouches for buddies, not knowing how they behave. It would be awkward if you give a vouch for a guy who then gets BLd from the org and stains your rep in the process.

Back in those days it was easier for a K-Girl to gain membership in an all White, all Male country club than it was to for an unknown to break into the So Cal K-Girl scene, but a certain TER moderator vouched for me and that's all it took. I was in.

I’ve been with some of these orgs through name changes! So much so that I have no clue which offer inroads because I can call any of them and get in

Just so we're on the same page, it's always ymmv. Sometimes even the newb friendly org will ask to produce references. Or at less so I've heard from others. Good luck to your buddy!

Dude, I am the same.  

Yeah I hear they're very anti-BB out there, so they will  gang up on you.

for the most overly-optimistic post I have seen in my 12 years on TER!!!  I take it you have not tried this yourself, owing to the fact that you have 5 reviews spanning from June to September?  With that said, its only "theoretically" possible, but knowing virtually all of the bookers in SoCal as I do (except for the new disreputable  ones that have been here less than a year), I can guarantee you it is highly unlikely.  I can tell  you with certainty that not all bookers cooperate in providing refs to all OTHER bookers. There is some bad blood between certain bookers and they do not cooperate with each other on verifications.  

about 10 guys in 12 years.  They have to have a PM history with me that spans a couple of years, an active Kgirl board presence, and a certain number of reviews with sufficient detail that I know the reviews are not fake. There are another 6 or so that I WOULD vouch for based on these criteria who have never asked me.  

I don't place much stock into the number of reviews someone has as they may not review every girl they see, review repeat visits or they may just be low volume. Not to mention focusing on quantity over quality leads to unhelpful or embellished reviews.

That some reviewers do not review every girl they see. I have seen about 150 Kgirls that I never reviewed. Mostly the first 2 years before I started reviewing in AF.  However, quantity and quality are not mutually exclusive as demonstrated by many reviewers with a large numner of reviews.  Why would you think a review can’t be both?

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Just do a couple Corgs, I know you said he dosnt want corgs, but if you want to get in the Korgs, gotta put in some work at least. Do some indies or even ask for the girls that could use some work at peach cafe.

Thanks, bro! He got a shitshow dose of Yuna  today. He booked for a  2 hour session! And he's still  alive!

omg, is she his first Kgirl experience? lol.  Its like you went straight to the smack instead of starting him with weed.

He’s done now. One Yuna level dose of kgirl and there’s no going back.

That's what I said as well. Lol. Starting with Yuna is crazy lmao

I neither partake in nor discuss BBFS in the forums, so that's not the particular issue here. The problem is when you interact with the non K-girl ladies and fail to sufficiently kiss their asses to feed their overblown narcissistic egos. I had one of the local ladies here (Allison Snow) go bat-sh!t bonkers when she PMed me and I showed no interest in her. It would up with 4 different threads started over 3 days to complain about how "rude" I was and a slew of negative ratings from her and her little posse. Best thing  to do is if you get an unsolicited e-mail and don't care to continue the conversation, just delete it.

Got it.

CDL... Mr. Golddust, from what I've seen repeatedly, knows what he's talking about.  

Well actually, I guess I am.  If "he knows what he is talking about", then its even worse that he's not being more responsible in the advice he gives . . . . advice that I asked if he has even tried himself, only to get crickets!!!  Anyone who has been in the LA scene for more than fifteen minutes knows you don't see one Kgirl at new org and then ask for a ref to a competing org.  That's just suicide and why so many guys wonder why they don't get a response back, or worse, the booker doesn't answer the ref request from the other booker because after seeing ONE girl, you are not worth the effort when you are already jumping ship.  Not having the ref YOU provided respond leaves you worse off than if you hadn't given it in the first place.  The new booker will assume the ref you gave is not responding because you're trouble.  Good luck after that little fiasco trying to get in.  You need to re-evaluate who you think "knows what he is talking about."

Brother Sag,  

OK, glad to hear it. Pardon my slip - not a big deal, I don't hide that I am GT on other sites.

Ha ha! Hi TwoOn!

" I also recommend taking a booker recommendation when you're new. "

figure this out.  The girls come and go, but you will be dealing with the booker for the length of your hobby career.  Taking a recommendation shows you are HIS customer, too, not just the customer of your hot "girl du jour."  

A booker's recommendation when you're new, is going to be a girl who is not popular and likely inferior to others. Because bookers want to maximize profits and most get cuts off each appointment. So they will load balance their girls. You're not getting the best girl you possibly can as a rec from booker. Youll get the girl who gets the least traffic, and usually it's for a reason.  

the girl who is the least busy that day, but it's still a Kgirl that is going to make you cum, so its not like its a bad deal, unless you're the kind of monger that has to fall in love with the photos before you see her. Many of the eventual legends in LA I first saw as a booker recommendations.  Megan was one of them. I requested someone else, and M told me to try Megan.  I was a regular for several months after that.  Maybe because I'm higher volume I don't think the sky is falling when I get a so-so girl, but its magical when you TOFTT or get a booker ref that turns out to be a home run.  

I don't recommend seeing the star of the org as the first appointment in the org either.
After that first one, everything is fair game. I recommend choosing in advance a non-star girl and asking for her if you like the reviews.  I do NOT recommend making it easier on the booker and instead helping out the girl who needs traffic the most.  

You will NEVER get to see the star of the org for your first appointment.  Its nice that you are willing to accept a non-star girl, since that's what you will get anyway.  You're like the guy who doesn't get offered a piece of cake and then says, "That's okay, I don't like cake."   I respect that you have your own system, but a lot of the things you suggest are 180 degrees from what works best in most circumstances. I take it that even though you are pro-monger, you don't ever TOFTT.  Many of the booker recs will have no reviews.  You get to set up her profile and be the first reviewer, or at least one of the first.  That's one of the best things you can do for fellow mongers.  

First, I don't know about LA, but I have been able to get an appointment with orgs stars on my first appointment in a few places.  

At least based on the comments about Sag's newbie's first experience it sounded like she is an older, approaching retirement age provider who is really only going to compete on performance.

I believe we're talking about stars of the org, ie most popular and renowned provider inside a particular org. That would be the provider sag was talking about. The org in question is (or used to be) indeed very performance-oriented, and there's a reason Ive been there tons of times.  

Going off his second paragraph I think "star" and "top tier" were meant to indicate status within the whole area, not really just that the one agency.  But, yes, if you limit it to who is at one agency and that top girl there is not the one everyone in the area is trying to book you will likely not have problems book an appointment even as a newbie -- she WILL have openings in her schedule.

What is your point exactly? We're discussing choosing the best girl within a single org. Not every single org, I will say not many orgs at all, will have young unicorns that provide both youth and service. I'm fairly confident there is no more than one, if that, kgirl in the whole LA who is in her 20s and can deliver the very gagless DT and have the cg endurance and rhythm of the girl mentioned in this thread.  

the you have a high percentage of unsatisfactory and disappointing sessions . . . . and you are doing your own choosing!!!   Do you really thick you would do even worse than your current lousy track record by letting the booker choose for you once in awhile?  Even with girls that don't have any reviews, he has the benefit of the feedback from the mongers who have already seen her. That's MORE info than you have, so maybe you should try some booker recommendations.  You might find that you  have better sessions.  

When Im choosing a girl I already know who I want and who I don't want. Why is this so hard to understand? Why would I go with someone I don't want? This is what I'm asking you. Your answer is for future favors.  

you don't ever TOFTT.  That's not very pro-monger, IMO.  Your statement that you "know who you want to see" implies that you only see girls who have already been reviewed by someone else who TOFTT to help out their bro's.  

I rarely do toftts, as most of them end up as disappointments. Sounds familiar? And why am I not surprised that you haven't answered my question?  

the BA is a higher volume POE for Kgirls than SoCal, but there should still be plenty of girls coming through who went through a salon career and give excellent service.  For me, the biggest annoyance in FOTB girls is substandard English skills, but this is becoming less of a problem lately as more girls learn English before they come here.  So I will accept that SOME of you disappointment may be from where you are located and the quality of girls that come through.  

I know it's not Shill Friday but there's new talent at EBKbeauties who I think matches up with # 320775; Eunice from So Cal with good scores.

2on, it's a bit hard to shill BEFORE you see the girl I think.

"I get just as much satisfaction in writing a review of a girl I CAN'T recommend"

you  like to do to everyone despite the fact that me useyrhead , GaG and others have called you out for it. My advice was to take a booker rec on a girl you DO NOT ALREADY KNOW you won't like.  If you have already researched her, then its not a TOFTT situation.  TOFTT is when there are no reviews and no intel.  You're changing to be a girl you already know you won't like.  Its apples and oranges.  Not the same at all.  

I did not misquote you.

If you take the booker recommendation, the worst you are likely to get is, to use your words, a "non-star" girl, so IF YOU ARE WILLING TO CHOSE  a non-star girl when YOU are the one doing the picking, then why not just let the booker pick one for you?  THAT is the question.  

He avoided it.

I already answered your question.

If it is your first time using an org, how would the booker know who fits you?  C'mon man.  

Hence me saying, "especially if first time"  

You should let the booker choose because you have admitted repeatedly that you have a high percentage of disappointing sessions doing YOUR OWN RESEARCH, so that may be the problem.  I'm just suggesting letting the booker assign you a girl that you don't know about and have not researched.  If its a good session, maybe it shows you are doing your research  wrong.  You should consider some changes in you approach the Kgirl hobby.  You can't keep doing it the same way and hope to have different results.  Your results suck, so start tweaking your system until it gets better.  I'm saying booker recs may be  at least part of the answer.

And I told you I let the bookers make recs on toftts, and they were overwhelmingly not good experiences.
Much wore than my own picks

If you gave them enough chances to be able to reliably identify the trend that their recommendations were that much worse than yours then it seems your experience is at odds with that of many others.  

Not sure if I understand your post, but OK. I'll take a rare thanks from you when I can get it  

What's a good score  for you??

Oops, wrong topic. Meant to reply in the other one.

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Brother Sag,

In a newbie thread, my highly esteemed monger brother mrfisher, referred to us as cult members and I for one upon thoughtful consideration agree.

when I'm traveling to other cities, Its often more convenient to see girls who will outcall to my hotel room, so I tend to go indie in cities I'm not that familiar with.  Vegas is one that will serve up a Kgirl to your room, but there are none others that I have encountered lately.  However, there are plenty of indie providers who are Asian, so I can't still get something close to what I prefer, but its a few bucks more, which I don't mind.  

I agree that's exactly how I got one of my friends in

Welcome back to TER!  I noticed you joined in 2001 when I was an RB lurker...